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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    Looks like Rafsanjani has turned against his allies. He's supporting the Ayatollah's speech from Friday.

    That will probably do it unless something unforeseen takes place.

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    Looks like Rafsanjani has turned against his allies. He's supporting the Ayatollah's speech from Friday.

    That will probably do it unless something unforeseen takes place.

    Covering his ass, maybe?

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    Link, jman?

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    As usual, Darrin focuses on the insults and ignores all the tough questions.
    Well, yeah. If you were confronted with questions that challenged your way of thinking, wouldn't you try to deflect them?

    An intellectually honest person would embrace them, but that's not exactly what you're dealing with. Ideology and thought processes are a tough nut to crack.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    ehh... I should retract that statement...

    http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=197201

    The source is the Tehran Times... and the story is followed by a bunch of propaganda proclaiming that it's your religious duty to follow the Ayatollah's word, that the military is fully behind the Ayatollah.

    My bad.

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    Well, yeah. If you were confronted with questions that challenged your way of thinking, wouldn't you try to deflect them?
    No. I try to answer them. If I can't, I'll usually admit it.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    The Rafsanjani is the equivalent to the chairman of the Council of Experts. That's why that proclamation would lead me to believe he's turned.

    To be honest it's probably just propaganda.

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    No. I try to answer them. If I can't, I'll usually admit it.
    That's what the second sentence in that post was for. The first sentence was a rhetorical device.

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    For those following the social networking on this, a list of fake tweets can be found here.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    Rafsanjani is pretty much the richest guy in Iran. He's going to pick the side which he thinks will allow him to continue being that guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he did turn. Especially if he saw internal factors working against Mousavi. So what Darrins said is pretty much true of him. He's going to look after his own rich ass over anybody else.

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    Rafsanjani is pretty much the richest guy in Iran. He's going to pick the side which he thinks will allow him to continue being that guy. It wouldn't surprise me if he did turn. Especially if he saw internal factors working against Mousavi. So what Darrins said is pretty much true of him. He's going to look after his own rich ass over anybody else.

    Then maybe I should have said covering his assets.

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    *rimshot*

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    Oddly, this comes from Iran's state media organ. grano salis.


    Larijani criticizes Guardian Council, IRIB


    Sun, 21 Jun 2009 02:11:50 GMT


    Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani


    Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Larijani suggests that some of the members in the Guardian Council have sided with a certain candidate in the June 12 presidential election.

    Speaking live on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Saturday, the speaker said that "a majority of people are of the opinion that the actual election results are different than what was officially announced."

    "The opinion of this majority should be respected and a line should be drawn between them and rioters and miscreants," he was quoted as saying by Khabaronline -- a website affiliated with him.

    He was referring to rallies that have been held on a daily basis in Iran, since the announcement of the presidential election results last Friday, in which in bent President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was re-elected with almost two thirds of the vote.

    The president's main rival Mir-Hossein Mousavi, who according to the Interior Ministry has lost to Ahmadinejad even in the East-Azerbaijan province where he hails from, cried foul and described the election as a 'charade' -- a charge the president and his interior minister have denied.

    Mousavi -- Iran's last prime minister -- has as a result called on the Guardian Council, the body that supervises the electoral process, to nullify Friday's vote and hold the election anew.

    Larijani, however, believes that the Iranian people have lost their trust in the country's legal system. "Although the Guardian Council is made up of religious individuals I wish certain members would not side with a certain presidential candidate."

    "The Guardian Council should use every possible means to build trust and convince the protesters that their complaints will be thoroughly looked into," the parliament speaker added.

    Larijani who, was formerly in charge of IRIB, criticized the organization, saying that "the IRIB should not act in a way that provokes people."

    The authorities should provide an atmosphere in which people feel free to express their opinion, he concluded.

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    These aren't the droids you're looking for jman3000's Avatar
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    They are trying to quell the anger by giving out bread crumbs of good news. Today has been largely quiet and the regime might be on to something in terms of letting people say that a recount should take place. No way in would they allow him to say that if they didn't think it would help them.

    It's a possibility things are going to die down while discussion for a new election/recount occurs. Nothing will come of it though and it will only allow Mousavi supporters to reorganize. The flip side to that is that the Iranian government will be able to do the same. It's pretty much a replay of last week when they said they'd count 10% of the vote, but that was an insult to the people's intelligence and didn't work at all. Having other other high level figures outside of Mousavi's camp ask for things like this will convince the people on the fence to stay in their houses.

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    I think I have officially changed my opinion on how Obama has handled this situation. I think I misinterpreted caution as timidity.


    For now, I think he has said all that he can say. There's really not much else he can do at this point, IMO, except wait and see how this situation unfolds. The Iranian regime knows that the world is watching. Everything they do to put down reformers only discredits them further.


    Flame away.

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    Rafsanjani's daughter was arrested apparently. His decision on the Council of Experts could have just been extortion.

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    I think I have officially changed my opinion on how Obama has handled this situation. I think I misinterpreted caution as timidity.


    For now, I think he has said all that he can say. There's really not much else he can do at this point, IMO, except wait and see how this situation unfolds. The Iranian regime knows that the world is watching. Everything they do to put down reformers only discredits them further.


    Flame away.
    This post contains more substance than everything you have ever posted.

    Kudos.

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    My friend and old landlord is from Iran, and this is her translation of the Neda video from yesterday. As if you needed anymore for this to break your heart.

    you can hear a brief cry from Neda. Her father says " Neda don't be afraid. Neda! Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Neda, don't be afraid. Neda, stay with me. Neda, stay with me. Neda, stay. Stay! Neda, Stay with me. The killed my child. They killed my child. My child! My Child! My chid"

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    Based on your posts, it's obvious that you, ExtraStout, and MarcusBryant are intelligent. Sometimes the fancy rhetoric helps your arguments, sometimes it doesn't. I don't pretend to know everything -- I don't. I just state my opinions. Do I need to preface everything I say with "I think"? If you think I'm wrong, just say why. There's no need for insults. We can agree to disagree. It's becoming obvious to me that many posters here are much younger than me. The prevailing tactic in today's universities is to band together and shout down those you disagree with, rather than challenge their ideas.

    Do not confuse cable news with universities. This is pretty much utter bull .

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    Video form Tehran today.

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    Is it just me or is that gathering bigger or as big as anything we saw yesterday.....

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    Bigger than anything we got video from yesterday. CNN just ran it a bit ago. They also mentioned the Daily Dish (where I got it from). Andrew Sullivan is an awesome blogger to begin with, but his blog this week has been exceptional.

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    Video form Tehran today.
    That's confirmed for today? Everything I've read has pointed to it being quiet.

    Why are they letting such a large procession march unhindered? Yesterday there would have been tear gas everywhere.

    I was gonna say it was a pro-Ahmadinajaed rally until I heard the "Mousavi, Mousavi, get my vote back for me" chant.

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    BTW, the more videos I see that are from the past two days, the more I think LJ is wrong. The numbers aren't as big as they were earlier this week, but given the level of the crackdown we saw yesterday I'm still very impressed. It takes a lot of balls to step out onto the street when you've seen people shot all day.

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    That's confirmed for today? Everything I've read has pointed to it being quiet.

    Why are they letting such a large procession march unhindered? Yesterday there would have been tear gas everywhere.
    Sullivan claims the video as legit from today, but I don't think anyone is 100% sure.

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