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    This photo released by Tokyo Electric Power Co shows damaged No 3 (right) and No 4 reactors of the Fukushima Daiichi power plant

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    , looks like things are getting out of control.

    From The Guardian

    4.13am: More bad news: Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said the radiation level at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant reached 10 millisievert per hour at one point on Wednesday morning, possibly due to the damage at its No 2 reactor the day before, the government's nuclear safety agency said.

    The maximum level was measured at the plant's front gate at 10:40am. It fell to 6.4 millisievert at 10:45am and to 2.3 millisievert at 10:54am but rose again to about 3.4 millisievert at 11am according to Kyodo

    4.36am: To make sense of all this, it appears that reactor no 4 was badly damaged by the hydrogen explosions in nearby reactors, and it is possible that the unit's water level has disappeared entirely.

    Tepco said that water in a pool storing the spent fuel rods may be boiling and that its level may have dropped, exposing the rods. The government ordered the firm to inject water into the pool ''as soon as possible to avert a major nuclear disaster.''

    Due to high radiation levels at the reactor, workers have been unable to pour water into the troubled pool.

    4.50am: Japan's health ministry announced the rise in the legal radiation exposure limit because workers could no longer get close enough to the Fukushima Daiichi No 4 reactor for urgent attempts to repair the reactor's cooling system.

    The ministry raised the level two and a half times, to 250 millseiverts.

    Earlier, Kyodo news agency said 730 out of a total of 800 workers had been evacuated from the site.

    "The workers cannot carry out even minimal work at the plant now," chief cabinet secretary Yukio Edano told a press conference. "Because of the radiation risk we are on standby."

    5.21am (2.21pm JST): Seoul's Yonhap news agency is reporting that South Korea will send part of its reserve of boric acid - used to slow down fission reactions - to its neighbour. Japan has used up most of its own stockpile to try to cool down the reactor cores.

    5.46am (2.46pm JST): More from Fukushima: Reuters is reporting that authorities plan to bulldoze an emergency route to crippled reactor No.4 to allow access for fire trucks, although it appears this morning's blaze is now out. The unit was not operating when the earthquake hit but was storing spent fuel rods.

    Kyodo says that workers the facility have been unable to pour water into the pool containing the spent fuel rods because of high radiation levels. Tepco, the plant's operators, are considering spraying the reactor with boric acid from overhead, warning: ''The possibility of recriticality is not zero".

    Kyodo has just flashed up a statement that winds are preventing Self Defence Force helicopters from dousing it with water, citing an unnamed minister.

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    http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78524.html

    Status of quake-stricken reactors at Fukushima nuclear power plants

    TOKYO, March 16, Kyodo

    The following is the known status as of Wednesday afternoon of each of the six reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and the four reactors at the Fukushima No. 2 plant, both in Fukushima Prefecture, which were crippled by Friday's magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the ensuing tsunami.

    Fukushima No. 1 plant

    -- Reactor No. 1 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core, vapor vented, building damaged Saturday by hydrogen explosion, seawater being pumped in.

    -- Reactor No. 2 - Cooling failure, seawater being pumped in, fuel rods fully exposed temporarily, vapor vented, building damaged Monday by blast at Reactor No. 3, damage to containment vessel on Tuesday, potential meltdown feared.

    -- Reactor No. 3 - Cooling failure, partial melting of core feared, vapor vented, seawater being pumped in, building damaged Monday by hydrogen explosion, high-level radiation measured nearby on Tuesday, plume of smoke observed Wednesday, damage to containment vessel likely.

    -- Reactor No. 4 - Under maintenance when quake struck, fire Tuesday possibly caused by hydrogen explosion at pool holding spent fuel rods, pool water level not observed, fire observed Wednesday at building housing reactor, no water poured in to cool pool.

    -- Reactor No. 5, No. 6 - Under maintenance when quake struck, temperature slightly rising in spent fuel pool.

    Fukushima No. 2 plant

    -- Reactor No. 1, No. 2, No. 4 - Cooling failure, then cold shutdown.

    -- Reactor No. 3 - Cold shutdown.

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    I think I have pretty much given up on trying to figure out what the is going on there. The Japanese officials seem to change their stories like every other minute. I can't believe anything they say.

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    "The possibility of recriticality is not zero"

    The useful information content of this authoritative statement in not non-trivial.

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    The maximum level was measured at the plant's front gate at 10:40am. It fell to 6.4 millisievert at 10:45am and to 2.3 millisievert at 10:54am but rose again to about 3.4 millisievert at 11am according to Kyodo
    Not all that bad really. Consider that a radiation workers total body annual exposure limit is 50 mSv (NRC and IIRC agree on this figure by and large). Also note that the numbers given are per hour.

    4.50am: Japan's health ministry announced the rise in the legal radiation exposure limit because workers could no longer get close enough to the Fukushima Daiichi No 4 reactor for urgent attempts to repair the reactor's cooling system.

    The ministry raised the level two and a half times, to 250 millseiverts.
    I'm not quite certain whats meant by this.....

    Did they raise the legal limit to 250 mSv so that the could "legally" send them back in?

    Did they record levels of 250 mSv/hr and pull the workers back because of it?

    Damn these translations. A lot can get lost in them.

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    we are about to find out if a GE mark I containment vessel works as advertised.
    That seems to be the only question at this point. If they do then a meltdown really won't be as bad as it is being hyped.

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    Reuters Reuters Top News
    FLASH: IAEA head says core damage at units 1-3 of Japan's quake-hit nuclear plant confirmed, situation very serious

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    Reuters Reuters Top News
    FLASH: IAEA head says core damage at units 1-3 of Japan's quake-hit nuclear plant confirmed, situation very serious
    Yet the radiation is only at high levels immediately around the facility. It will probably stay so.

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    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...N1V_story.html

    An interesting quote from this article:

    Some experts said that if the situation deteriorates at the nuclear plant, GE’s design — known as the Boiling Water Reactor Mark 1 — may not withstand the massive amount of hydrogen gas that could be released.

    “We’re not at that point yet,” said Paul Gunter, director of the Reactor Oversight Project at Beyond Nuclear. “But these vessels are brittle. They were going to retire Fukushima Daiichi in just a few more months, and so this particular Mark 1 with its substandard design was reaching its endlife, and so it raises a lot of concerns.
    Hmmmm.......

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    Fraudster s bags have beaten all records in setting up fake Japan relief pages, fielding more than 1.7 million malware pages, 419 scams trading on the Japanese disasters, 50+ fake domains with "Japan tsunami" or "Japan earthquake" in their URLs. MacWorld recommends donating via the Red Cross, or other established charities that you're familiar with.
    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/15...break-all.html

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    Fraudster s bags have beaten all records in setting up fake Japan relief pages, fielding more than 1.7 million malware pages, 419 scams trading on the Japanese disasters, 50+ fake domains with "Japan tsunami" or "Japan earthquake" in their URLs. MacWorld recommends donating via the Red Cross, or other established charities that you're familiar with.
    http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/15...break-all.html
    That's good advice, and always has been, with any disaster.

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    Yet the radiation is only at high levels immediately around the facility. It will probably stay so.
    If any of the spent fuel rods in the pools do indeed catch fire, nuclear experts say, the high heat would loft the radiation in clouds that would spread the radioactivity. "It's worse than a meltdown," said David A Lochbaum, a nuclear engineer at the Union of Concerned Scientists. "The reactor is inside thick walls, and the spent fuel of Reactors 1 and 3 is out in the open."
    Let's hope you are probably right.

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    European Union's energy chief says nuke plant is 'effectively out of control'.

    United States recommends wider evacuation area surrounding Fukushima Plant I.

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    Yet the radiation is only at high levels immediately around the facility. It will probably stay so.
    "US recommends wider evacuation area surrounding Fukushima Plant I"

    These statements do not corroborate.

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    One last hail mary?

    "Japanese police to use crowd-control water cannon to cool nuclear rods."

    kamikaze police men

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    TOKYO – The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown.

    continued...

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    United States recommends wider evacuation area surrounding Fukushima Plant I.
    Posting one more time for effectiveness.

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    TOKYO – The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown.

    continued...

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    US Nuclear Agency Chief: No more water in spent fuel pool.

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    going down to the wire....

    10... 9.... 8....

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    TOKYO – The operator of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant says it has almost completed a new power line that could restore electricity to the complex and solve the crisis that has threatened a meltdown.

    continued...
    That may be the most ironic thing I have ever read.

    "They had to run a power line TO the power plant."

    (lapses into his best Larry the Cable Guy imitation)

    "Shoot, they coulda just had my cousin Skeeter out there with some duct tape and an extension cord"

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    Yeah. I'm not buying that nor am I put at ease over that statement. Especially after that earlier post saying there's no water in the spent rod reactor, if that's true. Someones gonna have to start wearing some big boy pants and tell everyone what exactly is going down. Dare I say, Mr President?

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    I hope you mean the Japanese Prime Minister.

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    I hope you mean the Japanese Prime Minister.

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