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well i had already defeated dok tbh i was just responding to bump real quick but probs gonna split watch some belladonna
just came back and i see the same old stuff i saw 3 hours ago im chillin
well i had already defeated dok tbh i was just responding to bump real quick but probs gonna split watch some belladonna
claiming internet victory still? have fun bro
A point wrongly used to arrive at the wrong conclusion. While we can take those stats with a grain of salt, we can still take them. Whereas Diaw, who's played with the Bobcats didn't even get those stats. So who's lazy now? That's Diaw, and I can only imagine what how David Lee would work on his game, given the chance to play with the Spurs.
The fact that David Lee averaged 10+ boards for the past 4 seasons (that's on two different teams) vs Diaw not being able to even average 7 boards for his entire career (his actual career average is 4.9), should put the conversation on who's more valuable to the defense to rest. Neither is a defensive anchor, but only one of them knows how to box out and grab a ing board on a consistent basis.
Im not going to repeat myself tbh.
So youre saying youd rather have Blair in there instead of Diaw? Blair is a better rebounder than Diaw too tbh.
I'm saying Lee's defensive contribution in rebounding alone puts him over Diaw (or Blair).
As far as Diaw vs Blair, tossup, tbh... Blair also never averaged more than 7 boards in a season...
Hes never gotten the minutes/played for bad teams like Lee. Pretty bold to say its a toss-up though Im not even going to bother arguing that.
Lee's best season was with the Knicks and he averaged 11 boards in 26 mins... Dejuan can't get past 7 on 21 mins... plus Blair's rebounding has gone MIA last season (5.5 in 21 mins).
When it comes to rebounding, numbers say Diaw and Blair are a tossup. The difference obviously is that Diaw is actually a tall dude, so the opponents can't shoot over him as easily.
But here Lee also has the advantage: At 6'9, he's the taller of the three.
David Lee also getting roughly 3 offensive boards a game would make him more valuable on offense than Diaw.
Hey, Pickles.
Oh, and I'd take Lee in a heartbeat even though he knows what RJ's balls smell like.
That's really a bad argument. Blair is a monster on the boards on a per minute basis and he's arguably the worst defender in the history of humanity.
Not sure what you call a "monster", tbh... but at any rate, Lee and Blair rebound at about the same rate (10.9 per 36 for Lee, 11.3 per 36 for Blair)
Blair has a different problem: he's too short. Lee doesn't have that problem.
The question really is why Diaw has so much trouble grabbing boards, when seemingly a shorter guy has no such trouble.
Well, there you go. Blair's rebounding rate is higher than Diaw's (even higher than Lee's) yet every single person with the ability to see (and I think you'll agree with this) knows that Boris is the much better defender.
This proves that your "player X rebounds better than player Y so that automatically makes him a more valuble defender" argument is flawed, imho.
lol per minute rates
But we weren't comparing Blair to Lee/Diaw, we were comparing Diaw with Lee, both of which are about the same height (Diaw 6'8, Lee 6'9), and don't have Blair's major weakness (being a relative midget for a big man)
It only proves that comparing Blair to any tall big men is re ed. Not sure why Blair was brought up anyways.
Nowitzki is a 7 footer and a better rebounder than Diaw but he's a worst defender than Boris. Amare is 6'9/6'10 and the same. Being a better rebounder while having the same size as another guy doesn't make you a better defender. That's my point.
You're overrating Diaw's defense, IMO. I don't think he's any better than Dirk or Amare, tbh, who are also fairly mediocre.
Basically the point DAF is making is that you can be a good rebounder+have good size and still be a terrible defender. If youre going to make a dumb claim like saying that terrible defenders like Amare or Lee (and to a lesser extent Dirk) are just as good defensively as Diaw your sole reason behind it shouldnt be rebounding/size.
You need to backup it's a dumb claim, tbh... What defensive numbers put Diaw over the likes of Lee, Dirk or Amare?
The reality is that all of them are below average/average defenders.
No numbers put Diaw over those guys, he's "Average" and they are "terrible". If you can't understand what that ambiguous description means, then that's your problem.
Diaw biggest problem is that he's lazy. He's been lazy his whole career. It's no surprise to see him struggling with something like rebounding, which is mostly hustle.
It's one of the main concerns going into this season for the Spurs, IMO. Now he got paid, will he get lazy again?
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