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    Keith Jackson mookie2001's Avatar
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    when i was 17, 18 i did a load of illegal , thispego too
    it wasnt because of my mom
    we've both got great moms and great families
    kids are going to do whatever they want, even if you hug them 20 hours a day
    so dont act like hiring a stripper at 16 is going to morally corrupt them for life

    i wouldnt do it
    but i wouldnt act like father of the year because i didnt

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    If the photo place had mentioned nothing abut it, this thread would have never existed and the world would go on spinning.... the stripper would still be stripping and the parents would be going to work right now....

    And should one of those parents had complained an investigation would have happened. A group of boys will brag and parents will get pissed. The photo place did nothing wrong.

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    If the photo place had mentioned nothing abut it, this thread would have never existed and the world would go on spinning.... the stripper would still be stripping and the parents would be going to work right now....

    Serial killers go on killing until they get caught. What's your point? It's not wrong if no one says anything?

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    when i was 17, 18 i did a load of illegal , thispego too
    it wasnt because of my mom
    we've both got great moms and great families
    kids are going to do whatever they want, even if you hug them 20 hours a day
    so dont act like hiring a stripper at 16 is going to morally corrupt them for life

    i wouldnt do it
    but i wouldnt act like father of the year because i didnt

    <sigh>......this debate is over.

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    See you when it burns SWC Bonfire's Avatar
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    <sigh>......this debate is over.




    Mookie was born with a strip..uh his foot in his mouth.

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    I'm just going to throw this in here, but not really say my opinion on the subject.

    Some people in this thread are repeatedly saying things like "acts with a child", "pictures with a child", "strippers with a child". To clarify, I don't think the law considers it "with a child" when the person is 16. "With a minor", yes. "With a child", no. Child acts related to pornography, sex acts, sexual situations are when the person is 13 or under, I believe.

    I think this is relevant to this conversation in the manner in which it's being argued in this thread.

    Carry on.

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    Let's see, Travis disagrees with someone and calls them a wad, and then proceeds to tell us what a great shining example to parenthood he is.

    Whatever.

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    Thanks for the clarification Kori. I think I'm done with this one anyway.

    I'm off to have lunch at the local strip club. Later.

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    I'm off to have lunch at the local strip club. Later.
    Don't forget to bring your son.

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    See you when it burns SWC Bonfire's Avatar
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    Don't forget to bring your son.
    Leno's "Headlines" segment last night had a coupon for a strip club - "limit one per family".

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    Don't forget to bring your son.

    But of course!


    He wanted to see mom today anyway!
    Last edited by Ed Helicopter Jones; 07-12-2005 at 12:28 PM.

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    Who is this guy, again? travis2's Avatar
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    Let's see, Travis disagrees with someone and calls them a wad, and then proceeds to tell us what a great shining example to parenthood he is.

    Whatever.
    Criticism accepted.

    Outside of that, however, I maintain my position.

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    I'm just going to throw this in here, but not really say my opinion on the subject.

    Some people in this thread are repeatedly saying things like "acts with a child", "pictures with a child", "strippers with a child". To clarify, I don't think the law considers it "with a child" when the person is 16. "With a minor", yes. "With a child", no. Child acts related to pornography, sex acts, sexual situations are when the person is 13 or under, I believe.

    I think this is relevant to this conversation in the manner in which it's being argued in this thread.

    Carry on.

    Every definition of minor I can find as far as sexual offenses or indecency with a child is concerned does not differentiate between a 4 year old or a 16 year old, but as a child under the age of 18....unless there's somewhere I'm not looking...?

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    I recently found out my downstairs neighbor is a convicted sex offender. (FOIA )
    When I looked into it he was convicteed of "indecency with a child" "stegetory rape"
    the girl was 15.

    So thats what I'm going by. ... the "under 18" rule.

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    Every definition of minor I can find as far as sexual offenses or indecency with a child is concerned does not differentiate between a 4 year old or a 16 year old, but as a child under the age of 18....unless there's somewhere I'm not looking...?
    Well, I know that it's broken down more than just "under 18".

    For example, the Protection of Children Act (1978) -- which applies to child porn -- defines children as "under 16". Then, there was an amendment that added some specifics for 16-17 year olds.

    But most state statutes have very different laws and different sentencing depending on age and the breaking point is normally 13. I'll see if I can find you specifics.

    I'm not saying that 13-17 year olds aren't minors (obviously they are), but I'm saying that indecency, child porn and sex acts with a 10 year old are normally handled a lot differently than a 16 year old.
    Last edited by Kori Ellis; 07-12-2005 at 01:28 PM.

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    On another note, the parents weren't charged with anything sexual in this case, right? Just "delinquency of a minor"?

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    I'd also like to add an fyi that the 3ft rule for topless dancers will be in effect september 9th, if i'm not mistaken.


    so anyone up for a sept 2nd or sept 3rd gtg?

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    This whole case could have been avoided with the use of a digital camera! Geez people!

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    On another note, the parents weren't charged with anything sexual in this case, right? Just "delinquency of a minor"?

    yeah. but i think the "is under 18 considered a minor?" question came in about the Photo Tech reporting the photos.
    As a past photo lab manager I can say htat in my training and in my consultations with law enforcement we were advised to report any thing "unseemly" that involved people who appeared to be under the age of 18.

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    This whole case could have been avoided with the use of a digital camera! Geez people!


    It amazes me how many people arn't willing to spend $50 or so bucks for a cheapo digital but are willing to spend $ on batteries , film and development just so that I the photo person gets to see their fat pasty hairy ass gettign the old lady from behind on the sitting room sofa. :vomit. Then complain the pictures are too dark and could I lighten them up a bit.

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    Five Rings... Kori Ellis's Avatar
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    yeah. but i think the "is under 18 considered a minor?" question came in about the Photo Tech reporting the photos.
    Yeah, I think under 18 is definitely considered a minor.

    I have a question for people, if you had a 17 year old son who had graduated from high school. Let's say they were going to go out and party with friends and they were honest with you and TOLD you that they were going to drink alcohol there. Would you ...

    1. Let them have the party at your house -- that way you could control how much they were drinking and make sure that no one drove under the influence.
    2. Let them go to the party and just do your best to encourage them not to drink there.
    3. Forbid them to leave the house (probably nearly impossible).

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    I would like to think that I had raised my son to not go around breaking the law.
    In Texas its legal for a parent to serve thier child alcohol.
    If he wanted to drink a bit (but not to the point of excess) I would let him at home.
    If he then wanted to go and hang out with his friends that'd be fine.. but I'd expect him to not put himslef in a dangerous situation, abide by the rules of my house (curfew etc) and to be the bigger man if trouble does occur (ie. things get out of control and someone gets hurt or sick).
    I wouldn't condone partying like a dope fiend and drinking all night, and he'd be in a huge pile of doody if he did.

    but please please lets not fast forward so far in time.. my oldest is 15 months and I like to think it'll last forever!!!!

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    Yeah, I think under 18 is definitely considered a minor.

    I have a question for people, if you had a 17 year old son who had graduated from high school. Let's say they were going to go out and party with friends and they were honest with you and TOLD you that they were going to drink alcohol there. Would you ...

    1. Let them have the party at your house -- that way you could control how much they were drinking and make sure that no one drove under the influence.
    2. Let them go to the party and just do your best to encourage them not to drink there.
    3. Forbid them to leave the house (probably nearly impossible).
    I may be accused of being a Pollyanna (or the male equivalent thereof)...but I would (yes, really) go for 3...or maybe a 4 (an alternate non-alcoholic party...which could come under 1 because I wouldn't serve alcohol). As the hammer, I could hold a drivers license over their head...any underage drinker in Texas caught blowing anything but a 0.00 loses their license...no questions asked.

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    ok seeing as how everyones repeating themselves in this thread, lets turn it back a few pages and redo our discussion about breasts

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    As the hammer, I could hold a drivers license over their head...any underage drinker in Texas caught blowing anything but a 0.00 loses their license...no questions asked.
    Let's say they aren't driving.

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