Talking about luring the Saints to SA so soon after this tragedy has occured (they are still counting the bodies, for Goddsakes!) does not seem right.
So, is talking about the Spurs so soon after the tragedy not right also?
It's not like this is the first time the Saints moving to SA has been discussed. The owner's always wanted to do that way before the hurricane. It just so happens he now has a bigger opportunity to do that.
...and we're excited that there's a chance it might happen. So let us be.
You have your opinion and I have mine. I don't think its right. You obviously do.
FYI, regarding what Don Harris said on the 10pm news last night. Yes, he said 4 games would be played in S.A. And no, it's not completely confirmed yet.
Knowledgeable? Hardly. More knowledgeable than you? Easily. Nothing you say makes sense.
What the do you know about the cities I have lived in? What the do you know about anything?Not only are you ing ignorant of the cities you have lived your entire life in...but you are ignorant of the Mexican Culture as well.
Wow... that's pretty clueless. Do you seriously think San Antonio holds a candle to Houston or Dallas when it comes to culture, be it art, music, performing arts, cuisine, or anything else?Spoken like a true Redneck...who thinks Houston is a cultural Mecca.
It doesn't. It's not even close. It can't come close because it's not big enough and there aren't enough different kinds of people there to spark it. , Austin has a stronger cultural scene than San Antonio. Somehow you missed that even though you live there.
Meanwhile, no Texas city compares to the unique mixture of cultures that made New Orleans what it was. And yet, you thought that SA and NO were twins and that NO evacuees would find SA familiar because both of them had Canary Islanders at one time and both practice flood control. Go take your Metamucil.
What the do you define as "culture?" Tourist traps? Dams and levees? Bodies of water?
Another Saints Season Ruined Before It Begins
NEW ORLEANS—Front-office executives of the New Orleans Saints football team provided a much-needed dose of normalcy Monday when they announced that, for the 23rd year running, the Saints season had been ruined before it began. "I'd say this is even worse than when Mike Ditka traded away all our draft picks to get Ricky Williams," said Saints vice president of pro-personnel operations Bill Kuharich. "But there's one thing we Saints can always rely on: our chances for a winning season being canned before we play a single down. We're proud to have carried on with this tradition despite everything." The National Football League has declined the Saints' "mercy rule" request to be allowed to forfeit all their home games, saying the team must set an example for its home city by being blown out in every contest.
Saints, city talk about four games
Web Posted: 09/08/2005 10:29 AM CDT
Tom Orsborn
Express-News Staff Writer
Discussions are ongoing among the New Orleans Saints, the NFL and the city to play at least four games at the Alamodome this season, sources close to the situation told the San Antonio Express-News today.
The Saints, who open the season Sunday against the Carolina Panthers, will play their "home opener" against the New York Giants on Sept. 19 at Giants Stadium. An NFL spokesman said no announcements are expected today concerning the team's other seven home games.
The options are San Antonio and Baton Rouge, La. Sources say the league is considering allowing the Saints to play three games at LSU’s Tiger Stadium.
Saints owner Tom Benson expressed gra ude this morning to the city for allowing the team to move its base here for what will likely be the rest of the season.
"I don’t know what the NFL would have done if San Antonio hadn’t taken us in," Benson said. "We are really grateful to San Antonio for all they’ve done."
Former San Antonio Mayor and U.S. Housing Secretary Henry Cisneros on Wednesday assured NFL officials that the displaced Saints could expect to play before significant – if not capacity - crowds at the Alamodome this season.
Concerned about reports that the league fears attendance will be low if it allows the Saints to play at the 65,000-seat building, Cisneros called the NFL office in New York to dispel rumors about San Antonio’s lack of enthusiasm for the Saints.
"There was a rumor that the city would do well to sell 20,000 tickets for Saints games," Cisneros said. "I believe we would sell 50,000 just upon the announcement that the Saints would play here.
"I have every reason to believe that Saints games would be successful here, and that is what I conveyed to the league."
Cisneros’ effort coincided with the strongest statement yet by a member of the Saints organization about the team’s desire to play in San Antonio this season.
"I think this football team needs to play here," Coach Jim Haslett said.
"This is where we’re practicing. … (The players) know we’re practicing here, so we’d like to play here. They would like to see their families on Saturday. They would like to be around their families one day a week, because you don’t see them at all (the rest of the week). So, more than anything, I think that’s the most important thing for them."
The Saints will likely base their operations in San Antonio for the remainder of the season after Hurricane Katrina and massive flooding left their hometown in ruins.
"Preferably, we would like to play in San Antonio because that’s were our families are," receiver Joe Horn said.
In a statement released Tuesday, Saints owner Tom Benson said he had expressed to the league his "desire to … play games in Baton Rouge, La., to the extent cir stances allow."
Benson’s qualification refers to the fact that Baton Rouge, home to LSU’s Tiger Stadium, is housing thousands of evacuees and is a major base for Hurricane Katrina rescue and relief efforts.
Sources say Benson shares Haslett’s opinion. One source close to Benson, who has strong business and personal ties to San Antonio, has said Benson even wants to relocate his team to the Alamo City.
Benson said Wednesday night he does not know where his team will play.
"I have no idea," Benson said. "I just can’t give you anything. I wish I could tell you something."
Cisneros, who has repeatedly expressed his concern that San Antonio’s first priority in the wake of the Hurricane Katrina disaster should be caring for evacuees, said he called the league office "just so (NFL officials) would not make a decision based on bad information."
Cisneros, housing secretary in the Clinton Administration, said he also tried to convey to the league that the city is "very different" than it was in 1999 when the NFL last studied San Antonio as a potential market.
"I described our economic situation, corporate base, size and our growth," Cisneros said. "This is an NFL city. But beside that point, we certainly would have a respectable presence in the Alamodome for Saints games."
Reached earlier in the day, a league spokesman said the NFL believes San Antonio "would do a fine job (with attendance)."
But Greg Aiello, NFL vice president of public relations, also said Baton Rouge remains the league’s No. 1 option.
One option that has been ruled out is having the Saints play on the road for home games against division opponents.
"Louisiana officials are making it very clear they think it would be important to return the Saints to the region as soon as possible," Aiello said.
"The question is, when will that be?" Aiello said. "(LSU officials) will have to tell us."
The Saints’ next home game is Oct. 2 against Buffalo.
"The goal is LSU and Baton Rouge," Aiello said. "Whether it will be ready for Oct. 2, we don’t know."
Still, Aiello said San Antonio remains an option for "some" games.
"It depends on the cir stances," Aiello said. "We have to see what the issues are in terms of playing in Louisiana."
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/s....397c9cd1.html
Don Harris just said that the Alamo Builders Expo in the Dome that was scheduled for the weekend of the Saints/Bills game has been moved.
Which pretty much means the game will be in the Dome.
They cleared up dates and are fixing up the Dome so they can hold 4 Saints games here. I will most likely be at one of them.
Extra Light...
When it comes to culture? Seeing as how I have degree in anthopology, specializing in the subfield of cultural anthropology, and have also spent a fair amount of time studying the various archaelogical and historical sites in Texas, including the big one in San Antonio, when I lived there when I was going to school...a of a lot more than you do, Google boy.
Now while that degree may be worth exactly as a viable career...I'll be damned if I am going to let some idiot get over on me on a ing message board forum. Eat ...perferably your own...you could use the brain power.
Look...the magnitude of what you don't know...is ing mindnumbing. I don't even know where to begin. It's like trying to argue with someone but first having to teach them English. that. I'd rather Google do it for me.
You have alread admitted that you don't know other than what you have googled...so really there is no point in arguing with a moron who both alternately admits he doesn't know and then tries to google his way into the illusion that he does.
But since I can't stand to see a dumb animal suffering...
Wow... that's pretty clueless. Do you seriously think San Antonio holds a candle to Houston or Dallas when it comes to culture, be it art, music, performing arts, cuisine, or anything else?
Idiot...that's a vary narrow definition....and the cities you named are hardly unique or diverse compared to major American cities...much less each other.
San Antonio and New Orleans OTOH...are very unique...and the question you must ask yourself is why...
Your superficial explanation that you came up with...after googling in an attempt to cover for a previously stupid comment, isn't accurate.
IOW ...basketball, apple pie and a museum with a couple of chinese food restaurants thrown in for good measure is hardly diversity in America, not that SA and NO lack those things....
Now you also have a very narrow view of the Mexican culture..and I don't really think I can fix that...In fact I won't even try. But just realize those Mexicans you generalized are themselves a product of a mass, complex and electic cultural brew...
In regards to San Antonio, in your terms...there are alot of ing cities that have a lot of Mexican and little bit of German, in Texas...and they aren't like ing San Antonio. Do you get it now?
Austin is kind of unique in that it's the most liberal city in a conservative state...but by and large Austin is a typical American city culturally. Nothing extraordinarly unique or diverse about it comparitively. It's genous America.It doesn't. It's not even close. It can't come close because it's not big enough and there aren't enough different kinds of people there to spark it. , Austin has a stronger cultural scene than San Antonio. Somehow you missed that even though you live there.
Meanwhile, no Texas city compares to the unique mixture of cultures that made New Orleans what it was. And yet, you thought that SA and NO were twins and that NO evacuees would find SA familiar because both of them had Canary Islanders at one time and both practice flood control. Go take your Metamucil.
Never said it..I said they are twins, in part because of their uniqueness and cultural evolution...I clearly said they were not indentical twins...
You then thought you were something special because you ing knew that the Mississippi was a big ass river and that New Orleans was a port down...I honestly think you felt you knew something because you realized that New Orleans has a lot of black folk, while San Antonio has a lot of brown. Since then you've basically been looking at superficial factors in an attempt to point out the differences between SA and NO..ignorant of the fact that they are obvious..while at the same time running off a list of superifically(ethnically more than anything else) similar cities as their twins...without realizing that there is no close ethnic match. You're a ing idiot if you think that knowledge makes you special.
The purpose of bringing up the Canary Islanders is not to show that San Antonio and New Orleans have actual ethnic ties. That is what you assummed to be the point I was making...an assumption rooted in your own ignorance, not mine. I threw the link out there simply because you were talking about it and asking for similiarities and I knew there was a unique one that existed.......I can throw more out there for you if you like...Not that that is the point I was making...
And no...I don' think the refugees will feel at home in SA because it's exactly like New Orleans...I think they'll feel at home being in a unique city and due to San Antonio's historic habit of embracing, remembering, and celebrating it's cultural influences and past...
What the do you define as "culture?" Tourist traps? Dams and levees? Bodies of water?
Go Googling....You'll be less stupid for doing it.
Interestling read on New Orleans future population loss.
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Evacuees vow not to return to broken city
Tim Reid and Jacqui Goddard
September 09, 2005
TENS of thousands of people may never return to New Orleans, threatening a population crash as devastating to the city as Hurricane Katrina's floodwaters.
In addition to the 350,000 people who fled the city before the storm, more than 100,000 have been evacuated since and sent as far afield as Michigan and Utah, many vowing never to return.
With parts of New Orleans unlikely to be habitable again for at least a year, and about 150,000 homes destroyed, thousands of the evacuees are enrolling their children in new schools, seeking work and taking long leases on homes elsewhere.
Many say there is nothing in New Orleans to return to and they are weary of spending each hurricane season living in fear below sea level.
"My wife and I have no intention of going back. This is our home now," said evacuee Lionel Daggs after arriving in Denver, Colorado.
Donald Henry, a construction worker who moved to Detroit, said: "I'm going to make Michigan my home. There ain't nothing for me in New Orleans any more."
Touring the Houston Astrodome, where thousands of evacuees are being sheltered, former first lady Barbara Bush raised eyebrows by declaring: "What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas."
A Gallup poll yesterday indicated that 63 per cent of Americans thought New Orleans was devastated beyond repair.
New Orleans's population peaked at 630,000 in 1960 but had slumped to 445,000 by this year. Demographers say that if even 5 to 10 per cent of the evacuees do not return it could have a catastrophic social and economic effect.
Alan Berube, a demographer at the Brookings Ins ution in Washington, said yesterday many American cities, including New Orleans, had coped with incremental population declines since the 1960s.
"But it's a different thing to experience a 10, 20 or even 30 per cent drop in the space of five to 10 years, which is the time span we're looking at in New Orleans. It could be horrific for the city. Such a rapid population decline is unprecedented in America."
Mr Berube said that unless the planners rebuilding New Orleans admitted there would be a far smaller population -- "a tough admission for a city to make" -- the social and economic effect would be severe.
"There will be obsolete schools, government buildings and housing," he said. "There is plenty of research to suggest that vacant buildings undermine stability, initiate crime and promote a cycle of decline. Much depends on how it is rebuilt."
The diaspora has scattered tens of thousands far and wide across the US. More than 220,000 have arrived in Texas, 100,000 in Arkansas and even 1000 in Arizona, two time zones away.
Regional newspapers are filled with stories of people vowing never to return to a city where thousands of dwellings have been destroyed.
The Times
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2703,00.html
I'd really love to have Extra Stout's definition of culture.
Lay it down big boy.
Please tell me she qualified that statement in the next sentence.What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas.
Ouch. McOwned.
No really, I don't think a permanent move to SA is a smart move on his part, once New Orleans is rebuilt, there is just gonna be too much market over there to pass up.
Christmas Eve game followed by the Spurs christmas game! Sucks the Spurs have to play the christmas game on the road.The newspaper said likely games to be moved to San Antonio are Oct. 2 against Buffalo, Oct. 16 against Atlanta; Dec. 4 against Tampa Bay and Dec. 24 against Detroit. The Oct. 2 date opened after the Builder's Showcase Expo at the Alamodome agreed to reschedule, dome director Mike Abington said.
Too much market? Mind explaining that?
, there are 4 200K-300K neighborhoods going up around me and probably 20 of them off of North 281.
The economic bull carries no value, somebody in this city has money to fill that mofo up.
What is the latest census for San Antonio and surrounding areas, let's say 80 miles...
About 4 million?
WTF. Get R Done!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
Not likely. The scheduled Builders Showcase Expo was changed from Oct. 2nd to Oct. 30th.
The Saints play on the 30th.
I think if SA has a really good showing in attendance and support, it could just really cement Benson keeping them here.
The San Antonio MSA population is just under 2 million. 2 million should be surpassed by 2008.
San Antonio, New Braunfels, San Marcos, Castroville, Sequin, Schertz, Austin, Kerrville have 4 million.
If Dallas can lump all the cities in their area to make a pitch, so can we.
The census does that.
By 2010 (the next census) San Antonio will probably have a CMSA population of over 4 million.
Exactly.
With companies like Washington Mutual, Toyota, Toyotas buddies, NSA and First Health and many other companies that are coming here, there is tons of corporate support for a football team.
Some of the old ers need to wake up and look around, San Antonio just ain't Taco Cabanas, the Alamo and the Missions anymore.
I believe the NFL is using their 1999 study of San Antonio as how they see it in 2005, which is certainly not the case in the least.
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