The health care industry is a multi-multi billion dollar business...it goes beyond logic that single payer would save billions to taxpayers and citizen american....the health care industry owns politicians...writes its own rules and regulations...even manages enforcement....human American lost when the Robert's court decided that corporations where people....we need serious political reform in the US or the Oligarchy will do what's good for the oligarchy....Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
your bull is no better than boutons's, CC. yours may drown him out, but it's still bull .
NOBODY drowns out The Great Boutons, Slapper Extraordinaire
The CC's "look at how rich I am, losers" bull and his rightwing crap is vastly inferior, as are his politicians, to mine.
Dem debate:
https://www.facebook.com/hashtag/demdebate?source=fsup
... most emotions are positive, while in the Repug debate, most emotions were heavily negative.
Bernie Sanders Releases Outline of Universal Health Care Plan—And It's Pretty Good
Bernie’s plan will cover the entire continuum of health care, from inpatient to outpatient care; preventive to emergency care; primary care to specialty care, including long-term and palliative care; vision, hearing and oral health care; mental health and substance abuse services; as well as prescription medications, medical equipment, supplies, diagnostics and treatments....
As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges.
....Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.
Well, that sure sounds good. And I'm all in favor of universal health care. But I'm also curious about how he's going to provide comprehensive care like this with no paymentby patients at all and at such a low cost. Here are his basic claims:
- He will raise $630 billion by increasing the employer part of the payroll tax by 6.2 percent.
- He will raise $220 billion via a 2.2 percent progressive income tax on everyone (he calls it a "premium").
- He will raise $548 billion in various taxes on the rich along with the end of current tax breaks that subsidize health care
- That's a total of $1.4 trillion
- Current public spending on health care (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) runs around $1.2 trillion.
- This means that Sanders is figuring that under his plan total national health care spending will be about $2.6 trillion.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ts-pretty-good
... explains why Hillary's Wall St regs are little more than band-aids, while Bernie's Wall St is severely serious.
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Bernie released the particulars of his proposed single payer health care plan
https://berniesanders.com/issues/medicare-for-all/
Under this plan the marginal income tax rate would be:
37 percent on income between $250,000 and $500,000.
43 percent on income between $500,000 and $2 million.
48 percent on income between $2 million and $10 million. (In 2013, only 113,000 households, the top 0.08 percent of taxpayers, had income between $2 million and $10 million.)
52 percent on income above $10 million. (In 2013, only 13,000 households, just 0.01 percent of taxpayers, had income exceeding $10 million.)
Confirming Hillary-head-cheerleader Wasserman-Schultz strategy of fewer debates and debates scheduled for small audiences, keeping lesser known candidates lesser known
https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/statu...rc=twsrc%5Etfw
Just did the math on how Bernie's plan would affect me as an employer who currently pays 100% of the premiums for employees and family. Balancing that with the 6.5% increase in payroll tax I clear another $100,000 a year pre-tax.Bernie Sanders Releases Outline of Universal Health Care Plan—And It's Pretty Good
Bernie’s plan will cover the entire continuum of health care, from inpatient to outpatient care; preventive to emergency care; primary care to specialty care, including long-term and palliative care; vision, hearing and oral health care; mental health and substance abuse services; as well as prescription medications, medical equipment, supplies, diagnostics and treatments....
As a patient, all you need to do is go to the doctor and show your insurance card. Bernie’s plan means no more copays, no more deductibles and no more fighting with insurance companies when they fail to pay for charges.
....Under this plan, a family of four earning $50,000 would pay just $466 per year to the single-payer program, amounting to a savings of over $5,800 for that family each year.
- He will raise $630 billion by increasing the employer part of the payroll tax by 6.2 percent.
- He will raise $220 billion via a 2.2 percent progressive income tax on everyone (he calls it a "premium").
- He will raise $548 billion in various taxes on the rich along with the end of current tax breaks that subsidize health care
- That's a total of $1.4 trillion
- Current public spending on health care (mostly Medicare and Medicaid) runs around $1.2 trillion.
- This means that Sanders is figuring that under his plan total national health care spending will be about $2.6 trillion.
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...ts-pretty-good
That being said, few companies pay as much per employee for health care as I do.
In most cases the additional 6.2% additional tax on employers will be passed straight down to the employees through deferred pay increases and lower new hire wages.
"who currently pays 100% of the premiums for employees and family"
the objective of govt insurance is to get employers out of the group insurance business completely, add those for-profit premiums to employees' salary (rather than skimming them off and sending to for-profit insurers and their investors), and then deduct GOVT insurance premiums just like other payroll taxes.
What's bernies wall street tax proposal?
Krugman today says he supports Hillary's pro-corporate healthcare plan, because Bernie's is not acceptable to BigMedicine/BigInsurance.
iow, Krugman is saying BigMedicine/BigInsurance make national health care policy by corrupting politicians, and Americans don't have a say, are disenfranchised.
iow2, America is ed and un able, cannot stop the looting of Americans by BigMedicine/BigInsurance.
I recall that a lot of Obama voters, Obama having run on public option, didn't support ACA because it didn't go all the way to public option.
In fact, most Americans want a public option, but they can't have it because of the corruption of Congress
Republicans offer unsolicited support to Bernie Sanders
Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus was asked last week which Democratic presidential candidate he’d prefer to face in a general election. The RNC chief said Bernie Sanders is probably the tougher candidate.
During Sunday’s Democratic debate, for example, reporters received emails from the candidates’ campaigns and their allies, but in a remarkable twist, the Republican National Committee also issued statements – two during the event, two after – defending Sanders against criticisms from Hillary Clinton and endorsing Sanders’ arguments.
Bloomberg Politics’ Sahil Kapur reported that Republican operatives have “a strange crush on Bernie Sanders,” and it goes beyond the RNC’s pro-Sanders rapid-response during Sunday night’s debates.
After the debate, the Republican political action committee America Rising promoted the narrative that Sanders won the debate…. Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanders’ case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can’t be trusted to crack down on big banks.
“Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire,” a narrator in the ad says. “Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?”
Yep, Karl Rove’s operation is not only complaining about the bailout his former boss signed into law, Team Rove is also suddenly worried about Wall Street’s influence in DC – just like Bernie Sanders.
Republicans taking steps to help Sanders is hardly unprecedented. It’s electoral mischief, but it’s a time-honored tradition.
I’d add just one thing: just because the right sees Sanders as easier to beat in November doesn’t meanRepublicans are correct. Conservatives appear convinced that Clinton would be a tougher candidate, but it’s possible they’re miscalculating. Sometimes the practice of “picking your opponent” backfires.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...d=sm_fb_maddow
To pay for all this "free" stuff, Bernie's gonna tax rich people and corporations. So what's to stop these rich people and multi-national corporations from leaving the US if they are taxed too much? And taking the jobs with them?
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders this week assailed rivalHillary Clinton for taking large speaking fees from the financial industry since leaving the State Department.
According to public disclosures, by giving just 12 speeches to Wall Street banks, private equity firms, and other financial corporations, Clinton made $2,935,000 from 2013 to 2015:
Clinton’s most lucrative year was 2013, right after stepping down as secretary of state. That year, she made $2.3 million for three speeches to Goldman Sachs and individual speeches to Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, Fidelity Investments, Apollo Management Holdings, UBS, Bank of America, and Golden Tree Asset Managers.
The following year, she picked up $485,000 for a speech to Deutsche Bank and an address to Ameriprise. Last year, she made $150,000 from a lecture before the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce.
To put these numbers into perspective, compare them to lifetime earnings of the median American worker. In 2011, the Census Bureau estimated that, across all majors, a “bachelor’s degree holder can expect to earn about $2.4 million over his or her work life.” A Pew Research analysis published the same year estimated that a “typical high school graduate” can expect to make just $770,000 over the course of his or her lifetime.
This means that in one year — 2013 — Hillary Clinton earned almost as much from 10 lectures to financial firms as most bachelor’s degree-holding Americans earn in their lifetimes — and nearly four times what someone who holds only a high school diploma could expect to make.
Hillary Clinton’s haul from Wall Street speeches pales in comparison to her husband’s, which also had to be disclosed because the two share a bank account.
“I never made any money until I left the White House,” said Bill Clintonduring a 2009 address to a student group. “I had the lowest net worth, adjusted for inflation, of any president elected in the last 100 years, including President Obama. I was one poor rascal when I took office. But after I got out, I made a lot of money.”
The Associated Press notes that during Hillary Clinton’s time as secretary of state, Bill Clinton earned $17 million in talks to banks, insurance companies, hedge funds, real estate businesses, and other financial firms.
Altogether, the couple are estimated to have made over $139 million from paid speeches.
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/08/...heir-lifetime/
No , captain obvious. I'm sure BigCorp can console themselves with their billions of dollars they will still have after being taxed more.
In her Iowa campaign stop, Hillary Clinton called Sanders’ plan a “risky deal,” saying, “I don’t believe number one we should be starting over. We had enough of a fight to get to the Affordable Care Act. So I don’t want to rip it up and start over.”
She is en led to that opinion. But her campaign has given misleading statements on what exactly Sanders has proposed, leaving the impression that he would cede control to governors and “dismantle” insurance coverage altogether.
http://www.factcheck.org/2016/01/cli...s-health-plan/
Hillary Clinton Declares War on Single-Payer Health Care
So, when new polls revealed Sanders to be in a dead heat with Clinton in early primary states, Clinton took the offensive. She began acampaign to attack single-payer, painting it as something that would burden middle-class families, empower right-wing governors and put Americans' health insurance at risk by dismantling every major health-care ins ution in the country.
Clinton's claims are either patently false or incredibly misleading. By presenting them to a national television audience during interviews and the debates, she may be doing more damage to the single-payer movement than the pharmaceutical and insurance companies could ever hope to achieve. She is making these claims largely to Democratic primary voters, who support Medicare for All at a rate of 81 percent, but could be misled by a politician whom many of them trust and admire.
"It is conceivable that the continued negative critiques - especially of the fearmongering variety - could have a deleterious impact on popular opinion," Dr. Adam Gaffney, a physician and health-care writer, told Truthout.
Worse yet, Clinton almost certainly knows she is wrong. Her experience with health-care reform has made her familiar with the economics of single-payer, according to do ents that were belatedly made public by the Clinton Library in 2014. It is hard to ignore the fact that she has received more money from the pharmaceutical industry than any other candidate from either party in the 2016 election cycle, or that the health industry paid her $2.8 million in speaking fees between 2013 and 2015.
History will no doubt remember that the United States was, for a time, the only"developed" nation on the planet that didn't guarantee health care to its people as a right. And Clinton's name will now forever be associated with this shameful fact.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/3...er-health-care
Hillary Clinton Accuses Bernie Sanders Of Proposing Plans That Aren’t Based In Reality
While campaigning in Iowa, Clinton said:
I’ll tell you, I’m not interested in ideas that sound good on paper but will never make it in the real world. I care about making a real difference in your life. And that gets us to the choice that you have to make in this caucus. Now, Senator Sanders and I share many of the same goals, but we have different records and different ideas about how to drive progress.
….
I know Sen. Sanders cares about covering more people as I do but rather than build on the progress we’ve made he wants to start over from scratch. In theory there’s a lot to like about some of his (Sanders’) ideas. But ‘in theory’ isn’t enough. A president has to deliver in reality. Sen. Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years, he’s introduced his health-care plan nine times but he’s never got a single vote or co-sponsor.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/...iticus+USA+%29
Hillary to Bernie, short version:
"Bernie, BigHealthCare will destroy your single-payer/public-option plans, just like they Harry-and-Louise'd my health care reform.
Be like me, I'm hard-core center-right Repug establishment.
iow, give up, Bernie, America is ed and un able"
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Union and Progressive Bosses Favor Clinton; Their Members Want Sanders
Every major union or progressive group that let its members decide who they want to endorse in the 2016 Democratic presidential primary have selected Bernie Sanders,
while all of Hillary Clinton’s major endorsements have come from groups in which the leadership decides.
“It’s perhaps the clearest example yet of Clinton’s powerful appeal to the Democratic Party’s elite, even as support for Sanders explodes among the rank and file,” reports Zaid Jilani at The Intercept:While all four major organizations that held membership votes endorsed Sanders, two that did not hold open membership votes also endorsed him: the American Postal Workers Union (APWU) and National Nurses United.
For example, Clinton got an endorsement from the Human Rights Campaign this week. That decision was made not by a vote of HRC’s membership list but instead by a 32-member executive board that includes Mike Berman, the president of a lobbying firm that works for Pfizer, Comcast, and the health insurance lobby. Northrup Grumman is among its list of major corporate sponsors.
The Sanders campaign blasted the group as “establishment” and said that Sanders has a much stronger record on LGBT equality than Clinton. Outspoken gay activist Michaelangelo Signorile wrote that HRC had clearly traded its early endorsement for “access to the White House” for its leaders. […]
The one major labor union that did allow for a vote was the Communications Workers of America. CWA followed a three-month process that included meetings with members, telephone town halls, and an online polling voting process.
“We conducted an online membership poll from mid-September to early December,” said CWA spokesperson Candice Johnson in a statement to The Intercept. “Tens of thousands of members voted in the poll, with Sanders getting a decisive majority.” Johnson noted that CWA did not endorse in 2008 because they followed the same process and the three leading Democratic candidates all received around the same proportion of votes. […]
http://www.truthdig.com/eartothegrou...+the+Headlines
... that certainly clarifies Bernie's claim the HRC (board) and PP (board) are establishment.
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Bernie Sanders smeared as communist sympathizer as Hillary Clinton’s allies sling mud
Attacks on Bernie Sanders by rival Democrats are likely to turn increasingly to his record on the economy and foreign affairs, according to a new dossier seen by the Guardian that accuses him of sympathising with communists and “not believing in capitalism”.
On Thursday, Sanders aides accused David Brock, a political operative who runs aSuper Pac set up to defend Clinton , of “mudslinging” after he claimed Sanders was acting as if “black lives don’t matter” in a new campaign ad.
This follows a week of steadily mounting criticism from other campaign surrogates such as Chelsea Clinton, who accused the senator of wanting to “dismantle Obamacare” , and foreign policy adviser Jake Sullivan who warned that Sanders’s proposals for tackling Isis would put Israel at risk .
The dossier, prepared by opponents of Sanders and passed on to The Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”, alleges that Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” because he went on a trip there to visit a twinned city while he was mayor of Burlington.
Similar “associations with communism” in Cuba are catalogued alongside a list of quotes about countries ranging from China to Nicaragua in a way that supporters regard as bordering on the McCarthyite rather than fairly reflecting his views.
Sanders has insisted on many occasions this year that his own philosophy of democratic socialism is very different to that of authoritarian regimes, and much more in keeping with the tradition of American reformers such as Franklin D Roosevelt.
The Vermont senator has also ridiculed suggestions – repeated by the attack dossier – that his policies would see nationalisation of US industries.
the latest public attack on the campaign for airing an advert only containing a handful of non-white faces. “From this ad, it seems black lives don’t matter much to Bernie Sanders,” Brock said in an interview with the Associated Press.
“25 years ago it was Brock – a mud-slinging, right-wing extremist – who tried to destroy Anita Hill, a distinguished African American law professor. He later was forced to apologize for his lies about her. Today, he is lying about Sen Sanders. It’s bad enough that Hillary Clinton is raising millions in special-interest money in her Super Pacs. It is worse that she would hire a mudslinger like David Brock. She should be ashamed of her association with Brock.”
Brock recently denied reports that he was questioning Sanders’ health, but admitted he was preparing to raise the issue
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/bern...ies-sling-mud/
Obama ridicules Bernie while promoting Hillary
Obama nudges Democrats toward Clinton, even as White House strains to remain neutral in primary
Obama abandoned almost all pretense of disengagement by suggesting in an interview that Clinton is a “good, smart, tough” person up against a “bright, shiny” new alternative who remains less tested than her, a reminder about picking a nominee who can win a tough general election.
“She can govern and she can start here, Day One, more experienced than any non-vice-president has ever been who aspires to this office,” he told Politico.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-democratic-race-20150125-story.html
“bright, shiny” Bernie ?
Bernie has more experience in govt at local, state, Federal than Obama had 2008. And Obama was a complete neophyte in foreign policy.
What did Hillary accomplish as Secy of State? She travelled a lot, but what major or minor progress did she make in foreign affairs?
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