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    I'm leaving the collusion determination to Mueller and other investigations. Uday already admitted to attempted collusion, so I'm fine with their looking some more.

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    Look man, you had a pretty good troll going when you got us to go from Illegals Don't Vote > Yes They Do > No, because it's too risky > If it's that risky, where are the convictions?

    Everything since then has been a bad sequel. Quit while you're ahead.

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    I'm leaving the collusion determination to Mueller and other investigations. Uday already admitted to attempted collusion, so I'm fine with their looking some more.
    That ain't yours, Pav's. You shouldn't take that. It's too choice.

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    about a year old now, but still one of my favorite articles on the topic

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7179f8cb8ddd

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    US SouthCOM commander secretly meeting with Colombian VP in Colombia Eastern region.

    Maduro saying US s about to invade thru Colombia

    getting real?

    This is South America Id have to see to believe a Iran-Iraq Us sponsored style invasion tbqh

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    about a year old now, but still one of my favorite articles on the topic

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.7179f8cb8ddd
    My favorite comment from that article:

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    1/6/2017 9:24 PM CST
    Socialism replaces equal opportunity with equal outcome which kills incentive to work leading to lower productivity, less wealth, and more poverty. Socialism means government ownership or effective control of the means of production. The first settlers at Jamestown and Plymouth began with a system of common ownership that proved disastrous. When each family was given their own parcel of land it made all hands very industrious and was successful.
    Socialism usually involves central planning which leads to shortages of some things and wastage of others. Countries where socialism replaced private ownership and market forces have experienced a decent into poverty. Greece, Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba are examples of socialist disasters.

    Loss of freedom is a major problem of socialism. We lose economic freedom of choice. Socialism, which is based on Marxist ideology, demands loyalty to the state which takes away our freedoms of speech, press, religion, and dissent. Socialists believe the state is supreme over the church and the family.

    Some people confuse Socialism with Christian charity, but they are very different. Christian charity is voluntary and motivated by love on the part of the giver. Socialism is a forced redistribution often motivated by envy, greed, or coveting by the recipient. Christian charity is giving away your own money believing everything comes from God. Socialism is giving away another person’s money believing everything comes from the state.

    Socialism means mass poverty and loss of freedom.

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    Nearly 1/2 of the world's population — more than 3 billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day. More than 1.3 billion live in extreme poverty — less than $1.25 a day. 1 billion children worldwide are living in poverty. According to UNICEF, 22,000 children die each day due to poverty.


    Thats thanks to capitalism tbqh

    World under US “capitalist” empire is a disgrace

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    The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

    People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh

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    My favorite comment from that article:

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    amercon
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    Socialism replaces equal opportunity with equal outcome which kills incentive to work leading to lower productivity, less wealth, and more poverty. Socialism means government ownership or effective control of the means of production. The first settlers at Jamestown and Plymouth began with a system of common ownership that proved disastrous. When each family was given their own parcel of land it made all hands very industrious and was successful.
    Socialism usually involves central planning which leads to shortages of some things and wastage of others. Countries where socialism replaced private ownership and market forces have experienced a decent into poverty. Greece, Venezuela, North Korea, and Cuba are examples of socialist disasters.

    Loss of freedom is a major problem of socialism. We lose economic freedom of choice. Socialism, which is based on Marxist ideology, demands loyalty to the state which takes away our freedoms of speech, press, religion, and dissent. Socialists believe the state is supreme over the church and the family.

    Some people confuse Socialism with Christian charity, but they are very different. Christian charity is voluntary and motivated by love on the part of the giver. Socialism is a forced redistribution often motivated by envy, greed, or coveting by the recipient. Christian charity is giving away your own money believing everything comes from God. Socialism is giving away another person’s money believing everything comes from the state.

    Socialism means mass poverty and loss of freedom.
    so if we had higher taxes but free healthcare you'd stop working harder to earn more money? lol

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    The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

    People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh
    Wurd

    tu ya motha


    Yep and more yeps.

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    Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.

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    Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.
    so if we had single payer healthcare, would you stop trying to earn more income?

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    US SouthCOM commander secretly meeting with Colombian VP in Colombia Eastern region.

    Maduro saying US s about to invade thru Colombia

    getting real?

    This is South America Id have to see to believe a Iran-Iraq Us sponsored style invasion tbqh
    Maduro saying...

    Holy . Ya.
    Thats a believable fella.

    Chavez stranglehold followed by even worse. This is what Chavez giving himself so much power leads to. He did try some reforms, but near the end just resorted to shoving his government in people's faces. Norway, and their ability to use US oil companies, was a model right there but he set it aside and let his government try? Like it was going to be efficient and without corruption? Someone has to get the stuff out, you just don't ram a pipe into rock... Whose gonna do it? So you just shut out the best technology in the world because you think you can go it alone in getting oil out of the ground/ seabed? Bravado and stupidity.

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    man, if trump actually uses federal income taxes to pay for infrastructure, i wonder if chris will stop feeling motivated to work harder and make more money

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    man, if trump actually uses federal income taxes to pay for infrastructure, i wonder if chris will stop feeling motivated to work harder and make more money
    He has no idea he has driven on federally funded roads to go to work.
    Needs to boycott those and get a lease from consecutive landowners, take that ATV to work thru backyards.
    I know he curses over every federally funded bridge, hard core dude. Gonna put Nettflix and BurgerKing out of business.

    Dont you try him, oh no, he'll do it.

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    Funny how socialist countries turn into dictatorships. I'd say socialism is a big problem looking at it logically.
    Plenty of social democracies worldwide, tbh...

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    Maduro saying...

    Holy . Ya.
    Thats a believable fella.

    Chavez stranglehold followed by even worse. This is what Chavez giving himself so much power leads to. He did try some reforms, but near the end just resorted to shoving his government in people's faces. Norway, and their ability to use US oil companies, was a model right there but he set it aside and let his government try? Like it was going to be efficient and without corruption? Someone has to get the stuff out, you just don't ram a pipe into rock... Whose gonna do it? So you just shut out the best technology in the world because you think you can go it alone in getting oil out of the ground/ seabed? Bravado and stupidity.
    Funny though, coz a lot of Venezuela peeps love Chavez, and they weren't starving with him around. Maduro, on the other hand, is definitely megalomaniac.

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    Show me the evidence that illegals weren't filling the voter rolls.
    LOL prove a negative.

    Your claim, your burden of proof, dumb ass.

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    The problem there is not socialism or capitalism, it's that it has turned into a full blown dictatorship, more or less. Lack of true, transparent democracy is the problem.

    People fleeing from oppression isn't new, tbh
    Nepotism. Putting political correctness over competence. Attacking free, critical press as being enemies of the state. Undermining the rule of law.

    This is happening here, and it is maddeningly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.

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    Nepotism. Putting political correctness over competence. Attacking free, critical press as being enemies of the state. Undermining the rule of law.

    This is happening here, and it is maddeningly obvious to anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass.
    It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

    There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.

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    It's nothing like that. It's more like banning the opposition from running at all. Dude lost congress, so he took over the SCOTUS there, disbanded congress altogether, jailed opponents.

    There's democracy in the US, despite whether you like the election results or not. There's no longer a democracy in Venezuela. They'll have dog and pony show elections under Maduro's rules.
    Random Guy and Boutons have both been hysterically hyperbolic since Hillary lost.

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    "There's democracy in the US,"

    For some people, that self-congratulating myth just won't die



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    Where would you rather live Boukaki?

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