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I think he’ll get paid, and knows this is his last chance to do so. I like him, but he won’t come
cheap. I also think the new WAS brass has long liked him and wouldn’t mind keeping him.
Why the are you adding multiple year contracts or players who may not cut it? There's too much on the pile already and using assets to get some middling dude who's not cutting it on another bad team... how is this a good idea? None of this works. It's just a range of ideas that doesn't do anything but make the existing task of shaking out the roster and figuring out what we have a harder activity to manage.
I think he’ll get paid, and knows this is his last chance to do so. I like him, but he won’t come
cheap. I also think the new WAS brass has long liked him and wouldn’t mind keeping him.
Every single idea here is either a marginal player added to the scads of marginal players we already have. In fact, Suggs has proven himself to be even more marginal than our guys, for longer. Or they are very expensive guys like FVV. None of this makes sense.
Of course you can cut those players. They aren't guards that would compete with Suggs, so their cuts don't matter. We're still figuring out Jones/Wesley as it is. Where the would Suggs be getting playing time? Why would you do this?
We aren't wondering if guys like Hunter, Simons, etc are going to be able to beat out Mamu, Champ or whomever the Spurs draft in the second round. They will. The Spurs aren't going to be able to make it trying to hold their roster spots for all of their first-rounders over the next two years. It would be extremely hard for them to get above the floor if they had like 10 guys on rookie contracts. Some of those picks, or the players that are taken with those picks, are going to be traded away or otherwise cut. That's just reality and why a number of us wanted them to consolidate those picks. Also note that if they trade one of those firsts and multiple seconds for any of these players, those are picks that won't be on the roster, easing the crunch in the future as well.
I think Wesley is still a guy PATFO likes, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs have no desire for another PG project right now. But I also think the Spurs could decide that Wesley has to earn the status of future roster-spot holder and give him some real compe ion. Or they could decide that Jones isn't their PG of the future, or that Graham is better as trade bait. There are a number of things that can go into justifying why the Spurs are committing years to players now. They don't have to, but they're in a position to get out of their roster crunch by raising their standards for who should get a spot. Guys that played well on last year's squad may not make it. I've been warning about this for a couple of years now. It's only going to get worse from the perspective of the fans of those players, but the overall talent of the team should increase. The Spurs should see it though.
I mean he’s only been in the league two years so not sure how much “longer” he’s been “marginal.” The dude was being compared to Kidd just two drafts ago, so I’m betting on the talent and allowing for the possibility that the fit with the Magic and Cole Anthony sucked. He was playing off ball as a result, where he’s actually more comfortable as a PG.
The other upside of him is his deal. It’s basically two year to look at him, which is about the window before the Spurs will (or at least should) be seeking to ramp up its signing of FA talent. Someone like Hunter scares me because he’s 4 years at a much longer number— basically the profile of contract you DONT want in these first two years with Victor.
I think the Spurs are going to trot Blake Wesley out there a lot to let him sink or swim. If he swims, then he’s a second star. If he sinks, then he’s a great tank commander for another high lottery pick in 2024.
None of the Barlow, Champagnie, and maybe Bassey and Wesley, will still be there in two years. They might not even pass the summer or the season anyway and they don't have their place in a compe ive spurs team... No need to wait another szason to see that. If you can upgrade, upgrade now and as Chinook said, that would be crazy to let these guys preventing you to do so. you don't build around these guys, Wemby deserve better than that.
No offense but Wesley will never be a star, his ceiling is much lower than that. Back up PG would an achievment for him in this league. 3rd string probably his destiny. He litterally couldn't finish at the rim last year, like a lost dog in the paint even after one year in the G league... his flaws are way to big to be better than a role player. And I hope I'm wrong obviously.
Of course some of those players won't be here. That's immaterial. Getting someone like Suggs isn't "upgrading"; it's adding another middling piece who has already started declining in his second year. And who will start making close to $10 million a year if his contract is picked up.
This is entirely the point the FO is making about seeing what is on the roster. There's not an upgrade you're going to make that makes this process better. You're just adding cost, using assets to acquire, and jamming another piece in where the fit is uncertain.
But I'm getting that you guys just want to have fun speculating at this point and that's cool.
He was drafted as a home run swing given his off-the-charts athleticism and quickness, with hopes that the rest of his game would develop. Odds are, though, that the rest of his game does not develop, and so he “sinks” out of the NBA entirely. But I predict he’ll get his chance to prove the doubters wrong.
I mean, there has some to be assumption that the Spurs like the player they would be acquiring. No one has a 2K override switch to force them to make a deal. Like for Suggs, if the Spurs actually think he's got good potential, he's not "part of the mix". He's their new starter. Wesley is likely third string with a vague chance of getting the backup spot, and at least one of Graham or Jones isn't on the team. It wouldn't be every player with their assumed rotation spot, plus Suggs. Of course, the Spurs may not believe in Suggs any more than the Magic seem to. In the same way they didn't jump up to catch Whitmore or take a flier on any of the busts like Bamba, Wiseman or Smith, they're going to have their own opinions on players and only spend assets on guys they think add talent to the club.
My thing is that there are going to be players in free agency and obtainable with modest trade packages to other teams that PATFO do think would increase the talent level of their club. I want them to be aggressive in going for that, but I don't particularly care whom they'd target. I have my ideas, but ultimately I accept that the Spurs will do what they do and only put so much investment in my random wishes. While your point about the Spurs wanting to let the roster play together is well taken, the Spurs also admitted they were trying to add a higher-end talent using future draft assets. We know they are willing to bring in guys they think would play over the dregs of their roster. I just think they should take that desire and continue to look to add that kind of talent through the other means available to them. They're likely going into camp with 20 players.
(Jones), Graham, Wesley
Vassell, Branham, [Champagnie,] Rice (TW)
Johnson, McDermott, Cissoko (Langford)
Wemba, Sochan, (Mamu)
Collins, Bassey, Birch, [Barlow]
So even assuming all of the RFAs and TWRFAs come back -- which they won't. There are still two more camp spots. They're almost certainly going to bring in more players. They have anywhere from 2-8 camp spots and up to five spots on the main roster available. This is not a set team at all.
Sure. I just don't see them picking up players who disturb their dozen of development guys. Their action with the 33/44 really showed how they're likely standing fast with their current players. They're not adding simplly to add, they're being very careful with their money and assets until they know what they want and need. I do think they'll absorb salary and possibly take on another veteran presence, like getting Patty back from Brooklyn on the last year of his deal.
Yeah, I am all for getting better but for the most part want to see the guys we draft develop and see how they fit with Wemby. Also, want to see how Wemby plays out how good is he and how well he plays the entire season before I trade all my picks for high paid second and third tier players.
With the Spurs supposedly liking Poole in the '19 draft and having some interest at the most recent one in mind . . .
Hawks receive: Graham, Raptors top 6 protected '24 1st via Spurs (+ 1-2 2nds?) . . . needed salary relief + draft capital
Trail Blazers receive: Hunter . . . needed size on wings with player who fits Lillard or Henderson-Sharpe timeline
Spurs receive: Simons . . . needed go-to perimeter scorer and versatile/volume 3-point shooter
I get that he's a combo guard who's more of an SG and a poor defender, but his ability to play off ball means there'd still be plenty of on ball reps for youth and good luck checking every box.
John Collins to the Jazz in a salary dump. So glad the Spurs never traded for this guy tbh.
Rudy gay and a SRP? Lmao
Knew it was gonna end up this way but
Tbh, we're 100% guaranteed to have at least one top5 pick from Atlanta, they're a trainwreck.
Jazz is going to make Collins look servicable and get some useful assets before the deadline.
Yea Collins is vastly overpaid but playing alongside Markennan and Walker Kessler should help him tbh.
Not so fast my friend.
a 2nd round pick for 75 million, well done Danny Ainge
People said the same about Markkanen and he had a resurgance with the Jazz. I'd say Collins will put up numbers there, but how when Lauri plays his position?
I didn't even know Rudy Gay was still in the league. Wtf.
Hawks will be near lottery if Trae sprains his ankle.
Spurs light-year moves
Great, they're going to dig themselves even deeper.
I expect some ridiculous trades, like getting rid of Capela and using those assets + DJ for KAT.
Collins as 6th man. Markkanen, Kessler, Collins PF/C rotation. Any combination works.a 2nd round pick for 75 million, well done Danny Ainge
People said the same about Markkanen and he had a resurgance with the Jazz. I'd say Collins will put up numbers there, but how when Lauri plays his position?
Markannen is a 3. Collins at the 4 and Kessler at the 5 w/ the rookie Hendricks coming off the bench.
I would have demanded a first to take on that Collins contract but I'm not sure if ATL has any left
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