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    Excellent post. The only thing to add is that a retool vs a rebuild seems more like given that they have Sabonis/DD/Murray (who’s having a rough year)/Monk. There could be a mass firesale, but that doesn’t seem likely to me
    I agree. Trying to dump all of those guys at once would be unprecedented (the only thing that comes close that I can remember is Gobert/Mitc and Kyrie/Durant).

    Reading Kings fans on Reddit, they seem to want a Forward, and less guards, which surprises me given that they have DDR and Murray eating up minutes. They want Jabari or Tari. Jeremy doesn't fit them at all, but maybe Kangz fans are as bright as the Kangz front office.

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    One possible wrinkle. I thought Fox didn't make the 2020 Olympic team under Pop and was salty about that, possibly more so because White made the cut over him?

    https://aroyalpain.com/2020/02/10/sa...am-usa-invite/

    Luckily, that was four years ago and athletes are rational and don't hold grudges about things like that.
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    He has to make an All-NBA team to be supermax eligible. I do think he'd make it if he's here next year.
    That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.

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    That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.
    I believe this is correct, good call out. The only exception being if a player is traded during rookie contract, he retains eligibility for a Designated Veteran Extension (Supermax) in years 7-9. After 10 years of service, the player is eligible for a 35% max contract without qualifiers.

    In Fox's case, his current contract only takes him through his 9th year of service. It might be in his interest to sign a 1-year extension this summer, making him eligible for a 35% deal when his contract expires after the 2026-27 season.

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    One possible wrinkle. I thought Fox didn't make the 2020 Olympic team under Pop and was salty about that, possibly more so because White made the cut over him?

    https://aroyalpain.com/2020/02/10/sa...am-usa-invite/

    Luckily, that was four years ago and athletes are rational and don't hold grudges about things like that.
    It was Keldon as a last minute addition. To be fair, Keldon brought intensity even as a young player that that squad greatly lacking.

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    Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to hole Texas
    haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40.

    LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!

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    haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40.

    LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!
    I'm not gonna get to half a bill... but my success gives me the luxury of never having to live in Texas again

    Some people are different though, and like hole places (I have friends who love living in Houston and Dallas, for example. The best thing I can say about Houston is that it's not Dallas). To each their own.

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    Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to hole Texas
    I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never ing move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.

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    That's not what I meant. I thought that only a player's original team could ever offer the supermax, regardless of All-NBA teams etc, meaning if the player gets traded then they can't get the supermax from their new team no matter what. But I don't know if that's correct.
    My bad, yeah you're right.

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    haha I’m actually Canadian and have been situated between Vancouver/Toronto and Glasgow these last 5 years but for the right gig I’d absolutely consider Texas despite what you guys say! Suspect that is different for someone born, bread locally with a husband who might sniff a half a billion in career earnings by 40.

    LMA coming here because of family ties didn't even work out that well anyways!
    Yeah you say that but I wonder how long that would be the case after you're paying for bull like healthcare in the US.

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    I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never ing move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.
    My non-Chicana wife learned enough from my family while we were in Texas and now I have breakfast tacos (and other Mexican food) at home no matter where we live. 90% of Texas' appeal nullified just like that.

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    I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never ing move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.
    You don't want to experience our 99 degree mid October days?

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    My non-Chicana wife learned enough from my family while we were in Texas and now I have breakfast tacos (and other Mexican food) at home no matter where we live. 90% of Texas' appeal nullified just like that.
    We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.

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    You don't want to experience our 99 degree mid October days?
    I remember like it was yesterday, the first time I said "man, this place."

    It was the first day of baseball practice my sop re year, Feb 21, 1996... 100 ing degrees.

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    We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.
    Yeah, we had that problem in MA and now in HI. Too many Portuguese, have completely distorted folks ideas of what chorizo is supposed to be.

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    We can make tortillas but man I cannot find the right chorizo in DC anywhere. We have decent BBQ too.
    You ever tried Rick Bayless' recipes? MsMaalox turned me on to them and while I haven't made his chorizo from scratch (since I can get Peyton's at HEB) I have been super impressed when I have used his recipes for things like mole poblano, cochinita pibil, pozole, borracho beans, etc.

    EDIT: Now that I responded to scott's post I realized yeah I don't think Bayless is going to do greasy ass San Antonio style chorizo
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    Yeah, we had that problem in MA and now in HI. Too many Portuguese, have completely distorted folks ideas of what chorizo is supposed to be.
    Guess they don't make the chorizo with real lips and assholes huh? Gotta have the orange grease.

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    I remember like it was yesterday, the first time I said "man, this place."

    It was the first day of baseball practice my sop re year, Feb 21, 1996... 100 ing degrees.
    Wasn't that day like 40 in the morning too? I remember wearing my heavy Starter jacket to walk to school (uphill both ways) and thinking what the at the end of the day and it's like 102 and the damn jacket wouldn't fit in my backpack so gotta wear it. Still, that was a time when 95 was a normal July day instead of 102 like now.

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    I'm back here for the holidays and as much as I miss breakfast tacos and cheap prices on houses I'd never ing move back. Ever. DC home prices really pain me but still would never move back.
    I live in California but my company is in Houston. Every time I go there I'm telling myself that there is no chance of me moving there. But I can understand that people want to have a big house for their kids, here in California any house around me sells in 3 days for more than a million. But I'd move back to Europe before moving to Texas if I cannot afford to buy in California.

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    Let's compare.

    Vassell is a vastly superior player to Whitmore, but Cam is in the second year of a 4/16 deal whereas Vassell is in the first year of a 5/135. Kings are currently hard capped at the first apron, and may value getting more cap flexibility with the "promising young player". However, Advantage Spurs.

    Reed is a vastly superior prospect to Tre Jones. Tre is an expiring, and even if he were useful to SAC this season, he wouldn't be there next year. He's just an expiring salary filler. Advantage Rockets.

    Adams and Green are just expiring salary filler. No need to think about them as anything else. No advantage to either team here.

    Picks:

    Spurs best picks to offer are best of ATL/SA 25, 26, 27. After that, I'd say best of DAL/MIN/SA 2030 and then Best of SA/SAC 31 and MIN 31.

    Rockets have PHX 27 Unprotected which is pretty juicy, best of HOU/BKN 27, and Best of DAL/PHX 29. If they put those three on the table, accounting for natural variance I'd say those are just about as good as SA's. Where we have the advantage is we can offer the better pick in 25 and 26 if a quicker pick were a priority to SAC.

    If it comes down to Vassell + filler versus Cam/Reed + filler, and the picks are a wash, it will depend on whether or not SAC wants Devin's long term salary. It also depends on whether SAC views this as a rebuild or a retool. If they are rebuilding completely, they won't want Devin's salary and age versus Reed/Cam. If they are retooling, it more than likely favors the Spurs.

    The two teams competing offers are closers than most Spurs fans would want to admit, IMO.
    Everything I’ve heard / read, SAC ownership and fans want to retool and not rebuild. And yeah moving Sabonis and DDR contracts would be mighty. In that case I agree, Spurs players and picks are more appropriate. I also think Tre would plug in nicely in their run n gun system, minus his shot.

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    Overlooked point. I too am from San Antonio, and there is a zero percent chance I'd voluntarily move back to hole Texas
    I did some googling, and Fox has two kids with his wife Recee (from SA). I think Recee’s parents still live in SA. Her dad runs a girls AAU team called SA Finest that looks like is still active. I didn’t do a deep dive into the internet, but if they have two kids and the grandparents are in SA, that’s all you need.

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    Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

    The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of le contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton

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    Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

    The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of le contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton
    Are you not paying attention to the fact that Rich Paul is involved at this point? And that Fox is a FA in 2026?

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    Here's an absurd idea, just ing around. Spotrac Trade Machine says this works at the deadline.



    • Spurs get Fox, waive Len, and get a homecoming for Lyles and Dougie Fresh
    • Kangz get to try something completely different, and get their swap back (they probably need another pick from somewhere... probably DET). Monk/Vassell/Murray/Zion/Sabonis becomes their new SL. Sounds ing terrible, but also very Kangz like. This also puts them in the tax, which is a very Kangz-like move
    • Pistons essentially get BI for free to bring some vet stability to their young team
    • NOP avoids the tax, gets to tearing it down, and collects some FRPs. DJM and DDR get to reunite


    Who says no? Probably everyone but San Antonio.

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    Supposedly Fox also likes the small town lifestyle of Sacramento, if true that works in SA's favor.

    The biggest hurdle in a trade to any team will probably be ego of Sacramento ownership and management, still thinking they have some kind of le contender. It might take years for them to come around to the obvious that it's just not working there. After being considered dumb by the NBA for moving Halliburton for Sabonis, they're probably going to be too proud to trade away the point guard they chose to keep over Halliburton
    Today SAC won that deal. Halliburton conned IND into a max he isn't worth and Sabonis is ridiculously efficient

    If they trade Fox, it won't be for sporting/strategy reasons but bc he asked them to.

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