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Just knock it out now. Let us shamelessly tank.
One issue if he is maxed. He will be 28 in December. You probably have a 4 year window before you could start to see a bit of a decline.Well, I didn't want to comment on this as there is so many cir stances going (Victor out, Fox's finger injured, team a bit of a mess talent wise), but he's not looking great. He's not worth supermax IMO. Do you guys think he's even worth the max? He is not playing too well lately.
Just knock it out now. Let us shamelessly tank.
shut him down ffs.
That's stupid, just get it evaluated now. I don't get the point of trying to save a few hundred bucks of airfare on a guy you're about to sign to an extension for $57 million a year.
That extension
That's going to be against salary caps of $171 million, $188 million, $206 million, and $227 million for those four years. NBA revenue has just shot through the roof with the new TV/streaming deal so you can't look at it the same way you would a max contract signed 3-4 years ago in a period where the cap (and thus revenues) were pretty stagnant a couple of times. This is kind of a unique point in NBA history where max contracts can only be really bad if the player ends up getting hurt and/or just sucking (e.g. John Wall level). Any contract a player signs these next 3-4 years is going to be an effectively declining contract (relative to the salary cap) over the entire life of the deal.That extension
Feels like it’s the players doctor/preference not the teams.
Only thing I can think of is De'Aaron wanting to hit the 65 games played milestone, but not like he's making an All-NBA team this year.
You can't expect to get good players and then not pay them.That extension
And no, I don't think his three weeks playing with the team (minus the All-Star Break), mostly without Wemby, are a good barometer for his value with the Spurs.
Yea it has been a rough start to his Spurs tenure for sure. Tough to really assign blame squarely on Fox, though. I place more emphasis on his 5+ seasons of being a dynamic scorer than I do these last 14 games of him being dropped into an entirely new situation starting next to an even smaller pg than himself and having serious reservations about our coach/scheme. Also, he has been dealing with an injury on his shooting hand, not surprising he isn't shooting well.Well, I didn't want to comment on this as there is so many cir stances going (Victor out, Fox's finger injured, team a bit of a mess talent wise), but he's not looking great. He's not worth supermax IMO. Do you guys think he's even worth the max? He is not playing too well lately
The Spurs will max him out (not supermax, he doesn't qualify) as I am sure that was all but agree'd upon when the trade was made (Rich Paul wasn't pulling the trigger without that assurance). The Spurs need(ed) serious infusions of talent and were able to grasp him away at minimal cost, I still love the trade.
This season showed that even with Wemby in the fold we need to get more talent/shooting (through draft and maybe S&T/free agency) at the 3 and 4 and continue to let Castle grow. The good thing about building with Castle and new draftees is they stay underpaid (assuming they are solid) for 4 years meaning we can afford to overpay a player or 2 in that time frame, especially with the cap rising these next 4 years so much.
Right now the situation seems to be giving more minutes to Castle while still giving their respect to Chris Paul to get his minutes, so I'm not really too worried about Fox right now. It's not like he's putting up horrible scoring numbers or looks injured or like he's lost a step out there. He still looks like a completely dynamic score who can get points in ways that no one else on the team can.
And playing out of position the entire time
Fox was brought in because of his fit with Wemby. We need a point guard who can make use of Wemby's floor spacing and verticality.
Without Wemby on the floor, there's no space to drive by modern NBA standards since we don't have another shooting big.
De'Aaron's wife and his former best buddy Malik Monk exchanging pleasantries after the game. Some bad blood there for sure.
I can't believe we got De'Aaron Fox for the MIN pick and some trash and there are people here complaining about having to pay him.
That's the kind of nasty we need. Guns up Recee!
Man Sacramento with this indignation energy. Fox didn't do you dirty and it's an insult to the Spurs fanbase who WAS done dirty by Kawhi and knows what that really looks like.
I figured Fox was getting the eval in LA because there might be a specialist in the LA area that the team and Fox prefers the opinion of. Maybe they want a specific group or doc to look at the hand and give an assessment. But yeah I thought that was weird too like why wait
Just an opinion, but I think the eval is already done, and the surgery will happen in LA because the timing will allow him to recover and participate in offseason activities and training camp. They probably don’t want to e ticket sales by announcing too soon that he’s going to be shut down.
He’s had one amazing season surrounded by several decent ones but I do agree he needs surgery and more time with wemby before a proper assessment can be made. He just looks worse and worse since the trade but yeah this season should be a mulligan
Yeah, you're right. All those factors are most likely contributing to him not playing too well these past few weeks. Good call. The spacing isn't there without Victor. Like The Truth mentioned below, he still looks dynamic and can do things other players on the team can't.
The Spurs aren't doing too well with him in the lineup according to this :
But, you are right, he still looks dynamic and can score in ways other guys on the team can't. It just hasn't been the ideal start for him due to so many factors. He really wanted to be in San Antonio, so I'm happy to ride with him.https://www.nba.com/news/nba-storyli...ed-at-deadline
Since De’Aaron Fox joined the Spurs, they’ve been 14.6 points per 100 possessions better with him off the floor (plus-7.9) than with him on the floor (minus-6.7).
I sort of expected him to still get some easy buckets with his speed, but what you're saying is fair enough in regard to the floor spacing.
This is the way I understood it. I assumed the guy in LA is one of the specialists they want the opinion of and/or doing the surgery, so maybe that is why they've timed it this way. Give him a little bit of time with the team and then some games with the home fans coming off the long road trip, and then do the surgery?
I mean, we're going to pay this guy way more than he's actually worth. That's one of the main reasons he forced himself to the Spurs. He only has four or five years max at prime play and hopefully that long.
But we got him for very little and the absurd salary won't hurt too much, just mean we will have problems if another better player becomes available. He's a good player and if Wemby can get healthy things will work fine. He's not even close to a top twenty player like some say, he's limited in what he does, is a bad defender, but he was an infusion of talent for not many assets.
If they can secure him for the next contract without destroying flexibility, this worked just fine. Let's not overestimate the player he is, though.
Good take. Also, y’all will need a definite answer from Pop sooner than later if he wants to retire.
Swipa one of the most efficient PnR players in the league. Just got to get him more opportunities in it with Wemby.
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