If kobe was so gung ho about gettin a championship he wouldnt have ran shaq out of town. there's a very solid chance he'll never be in another finals again. granted shaq is on a decline, but him and kobe still woulda made just as much ruckus today as they did earlier in the decade. they still woulda been compe ive as oppose to kobe almost single handedly destroying the franchise that everyone loved to hate. as for AI, the guy is an egotistical moron and a loser. refusing to come off the bench?? one of the most classless things i've ever heard. AI is overrated and deserves to be banished to bottom half of the conference.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't posted in this thread yet, just basking in the glory....I haven't even scored 80+ in an Xbox game... that was some crazy ass playing. Simply outstanding, will go down as a historic game....it's funny with all the comparisons, but what if Kobe did this early in his career and won the championships later...kind of the reverse of what has transpired. Would he be considered the best then...kind of puts it in perspective.
Maybe Shaq wasn't too opposed to being run out of town.
Seriously, I love how all the blame lies in Kobe. Amuseddaysleeper, I don't even want to bother getting into an argument with you over your post.
Who gives a for running shaq out of town...this is about Kobe destroying a team, nothing more, nothing less.
maybe but he's in a much better situation than kobe is, tho detroit will crush miami in the ecf. all i'm saying is that, kobe and shaq had the potential to win more than 3 rings. they shoulda worked out their differences. kobe almost single handedly destroyed any chances the lakers had of getting another win against the pistons in the 2004 finals by jakcing up ridiculous shots and "wasting" shaq's 30+ point in performance in game 4 i believe it was. if he wants to win so bad he needs to stop being so damn "uncoachable". having said all this, Kobe is easily one of the 5 greatest shooting guards to play the game and an underrated defender. wheras the t-mac's of the league are extremely one dimensional players. I dont question Kobe's desire to want to win, but I question his ego in stopping him from acheiving more team goals as oppose to individual ones
phil jackson left as well. the lakers havent been the same since. its one thing if him and shaq get along. but when you force the guy who has won 9 championships out of time and when one of the greatest coaches to ever coach the game calls you "uncoachable" you've got problems
i'm not saying shaq was gonna be worth what he was asking for down the line, cuz he IS breaking down. but kobe detroyed the lakers. simple as that.
tmac is not one dimensional, he can play very good defense when he wants to - watch last year's tape of him shutting down dirk in the playoffs.
that is a good point, tmac did do well against the mavs though the rockets ended up choking anyway. i just dont think t-mac is 2/3 the player that Kobe is
What does this game have anything to do with running Shaq, or Phil out....Look Phil is back and the lakers will be a playoff team and with the right moves maybe make some noise come playoff time. I just can't wait until the Olympics when Kobe goes off for 50+ against the world's best.
i think kobe is better overall too but:
a.jvg would never let tmac take 46 shots
b.tmac's back problems are really holding him back
no no i'm not talkin about last night's game. kobe was a GOD last night! i mean the raps were up 18 or something so i TURNED OFF THE TV thinking they'd win cuz the game seemed kinda boring. then a couple hours later i checked the score online an dkobe goes off for 81 points, giving one of the greatest performances in basketball history, but i'm too busy in around on the guitar and playing video games! (faints)
we're talkin about the subject of kobe rather having 81 points than goin for another ring. i think kobe would LOVE to win a ring without shaq. but i dont think thats going to happen, and its been a HUGE fall from grace for him (not counting the rape scandal) its almost frustrating that such a good talent like bryant has chosen his own fate wasting away on a sub par team. granted he deserves to be a top 10 mention for MVP as in the last 20 years of b-ball, i cant think of a team that was so "one vs five" as kobe vs. the rest of the nba and yet he can still get them a playoff seed. so for that i tip my hat off. but ripping apart the lakers, and destroying almost any chance he has of winning another championship (also factor in that out of all the players in the league, it wouldn't surprise im if kobe was voted as on of the 5 players nba players would least likely want to play with) i cant imagine them keeping too many FA's
It's difficult for the Lakers to keep Shaq when he wanted 30 million per year for the next 5 years....what would you do...trade Kobe and keep shaq and watch him struggle like he's doing and maybe give you 2-3 years left. Of course I would like Shaq and Kobe to play nice and win rings every year, but that didn't happen. What's happening is the rebuilding of a dynasty and it doesn't happen overnight. All the Lakers need is some decent shooter and better than average bangers and defenders and they'll be alright.
Why is it that any thread about Kobe immediately gets redirected towards Kobe vs Shaq, Kobe=Ballhog, Lakers suck, Kobe is overated, etc.
Like I said earlier, as basketball fans, just appreciate an 81 point performance by a single player. I don't care who scored it, how many assists he had, or anything else. That's good basketball right there.
agreed, i think kobe will be a terror for opposing teams in the olympics, should be great to watch. tho it will be interesting to see what he is allowed to do and how it will affect the other players on the team.
no one's doubting the amazing performance last night. we arent even discussing it in the last page or so. we're discussing a different topic entirely.
Couldn't have said this better myself. And this is coming from a Laker fan too !!1!one!
yep, the Lakers had to go with the stronger legs. Shaq is breaking down (witness sub-standard centers like Rasho guarding him) while Kobe is just getting started.
If I'm not mistaken, this is only the SECOND occurance in the NBA of a player scoring more than 70 points in a game since the three-point line was introduced to the league. First occurance since then, of course, was David Robinson's 71-point game on the last day of the regular season. We all know Kobe's the first guard to surpass 70 in a game. I think he's the first to surpass 70 in a game with three-point shots. Although I doubt it, does anyone know if The Admiral made or even attempted any 3-pointers in his 71-point game (I know it's a stupid question, but I just thought I'd ask, because I didn't see that game...)
Some of you are so focused on the Shaq-Kobe drama and not on the athleticism, grit & determination of the greatest player currently in the NBA...May I suggest that your posts would be better served to writing reviews on "Brokeback Mountain" in the Club section...
Kobe is unreal.
If Kobeatch keeps this up, three quarters of the way through the season he will be done. He's not a youngster anymore. Enjoy it while it lasts Laker fan. He'll be trashed before the playoffs. Then what do you do?
I would trade Tim Duncan for Kobe today, if at all possible.
Tim Is just playing like !
you would like to take away our only option in the post?
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