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    If the player is already under contract to, or signs a contract with a non-NBA team, the team retains the player's draft rights for one year after the player's obligation to the non-NBA team ends. Essentially, the clock stops as long as the player plays pro ball outside the NBA. Players are not included in the team's team salary while the player is under contract with a non-NBA team.
    so how does this affect Javtokas? His deal with Rytas ended last year, then he re-upped for one more year.

    Does this mean the Spurs will lose his rights this summer or next?

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    No, other teams can offer more than the MLE.
    That what you said, the implication that is in the first year, which is all that matters for matching purposes.

    Put simply, after a two-year deal, no team could make an offer for Scola or Javtokas the Spurs' couldn't match. That's all anyone really needs to know.

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    so how does this affect Javtokas? His deal with Rytas ended last year, then he re-upped for one more year.

    Does this mean the Spurs will lose his rights this summer or next?
    No, every year he plays for non-NBA pro team, the clock is reset on the Spurs' rights to him.

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    * If a team has two Non-Bird free agents with one or two years in the league. They can use the Mid-Level exception to keep one of them, but would lose the other.
    this still sounds like if they sign both to 2 year deals, and they both get offers above mid-level, then the Spurs can only match on one.

    Is this wrong?

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    That what you said, the implication that is in the first year, which is all that matters for matchin purposes.
    And I haven't said Spurs can't match.
    Other teams can offer $40M/ 5 years and it's more than the MLE

    Put simply, after a two-year deal, no team could make an offer for Scola or Javtokas the Spurs' couldn't match.
    Agree but you haven't said that. You have said :
    Under the new rules, it's better to sign Scola and Javtokas to a two-year deal.
    You're wrong, it's not better.

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    You're wrong, it's not better.
    How is it not better? No one can steal them away like Arenas if they are great, and if they suck you're only saddled with their deals for two seasons. Tell me how that isn't better.

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    this still sounds like if they sign both to 2 year deals, and they both get offers above mid-level, then the Spurs can only match on one.

    Is this wrong?
    yes, it's wrong.
    A Non-Bird free agent player with two years in the league is a palyer who has played with a team for his rookie season and who has sign a new contract with another team for his second season.

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    this still sounds like if they sign both to 2 year deals, and they both get offers above mid-level, then the Spurs can only match on one.

    Is this wrong?
    They can match on both, since they will hold early-Bird rights to both. The loophole situations listed were for non-Bird FAs.

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    How is it not better? No one can steal them away like Arenas if they are great, and if they suck you're only saddled with their deals for two seasons. Tell me how that isn't better.
    Because if they sign for a three year deal and are great, you can have them for a cheap price during 3 years instead of 2.

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    Because if they sign for a three year deal and are great, you can have them for a cheap price during 3 years instead of 2.
    And if they suck?

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    A 2 years contract is better but a player won't ask for more money per year for a 2 years contract than for a 3 years contract.

    As I said, the most attractive contract for euros are 3 years contract with a player option for the third. (like for Oberto)

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    As I said, the most attractive contract for euros are 3 years contract with a team option for the third. (like for Oberto)
    Depends on the cap situation. There might definitely be situations where matching a backloaded deal after two years is much better for the Spurs.
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    I've edited, it's a player option for the third year.

    And be honest and quote properly that is to say question + answer.

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    If Spurs dump Rasho and Nazr that's the only way they would sign both Scola and see both sign with the Spurs and and I can't see both Rasho and Nazr going unless there is one proven NBA big man coming to replace them.

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    I've edited, it's a player option for the third year.

    And be honest and quote properly that is to say question + answer.
    I was editing myself when I lost my router for a minute.

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    I was editing myself when I lost my router for a minute.
    Ok.

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    If Spurs dump Rasho and Nazr that's the only way they would sign both Scola and see both sign with the Spurs and and I can't see both Rasho and Nazr going unless there is one proven NBA big man coming to replace them.
    I'm of the mind that Rasho is staying, and he'll be in his final year when Scola/Javtokas are in their third. I'm also of the mind Javtokas could be signed with the LLE since there's no buyout and Rytas isn't Tau when it comes to payroll.

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    Rytas already announced they were trimming their budget from what I understand and were prepared to play next season without Javtokas.

    But he is apparently drawing interest from the big euroleague teams.

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    If Spurs sign Javtokas and Scola they'll be unathletic, big man heavy in Stern's new era of small ball.

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    Javtokas' not having a buyout is huge in this regard. He still needs to work off all those medical bills for us, too.

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    If Spurs sign Jatokas and Scola they'll be unathletic, big man heavy in Stern's new era of small ball.
    That'd be a risk. To even out their roster, they'd have to get rid of Nazr, Marks and probably either Rasho or Oberto. The Spurs can't afford to carry too many players who aren't athletic enough to play in the New NBA.

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    If Spurs sign Jatokas and Scola they'll be unathletic, big man heavy in Stern's new era of small ball.
    As opposed to now?

    Since when is Javtokas unathletic?

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    Nazr and Marks are gonzo.

    That was easy.

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    As opposed to now?

    Since when is Javtokas unathletic?
    I wouldn't classify as unathletic. But I would classify him as a player who couldn't handle small ball. If the Spurs had him this season, he would have been sitting next to Rasho, Nazr, Oberto and Marks.

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    Nazr and Marks are gonzo.

    That was easy.
    Could you make Rasho or Oberto be gone?

    Thanks.

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