Top 30 NBA Spurs (Updated every Sunday)

[whottt]

I didn't say he throws it for strikes all the time.

Go ahead...bond with some guy that probably wasn't even a SpursFan during our last le win...since he obviously has no recollection of Amare hanging numbers on Duncan's ass that would have made Hakeem blush. GMTA.

Why don't you, him, and TimVP just officially name your club, "we hate Tony Parker and Manu"...it's best to be honest about your agenda.

[ShoogarBear]

We hate everyone ranked above Avery in that list.

Anyway, you just reminded me. I forgot I was going to rip Bill Simmons a new one in the article where he said the best defensive players over the last 30 years were: "DJ, Payton, Pippen, Ben Wallace and Hakeem. Nobody else qualifies."

The one thing I have always said was that David Robinson was the second best defensive player of all time, behind only Russell. On the defensive end, DRob >>> Hakeem. And Jordan at his peak might have been a better defender than either Payton or DJ ever were.

[jcrod]

Too bad he had a terrible argument as to why Robinson is #1 over Duncan

Hakeem OWNED David Robinson throughout his career.....noone has owned Tim.

WHAT! Thoughout his career???? Know your facts before you state them. He owned him on one serious. Other than that they were pretty even going head to head, as a matter of fact I think David has an edge over him.

[ArgSpursFan]

1.Duncan
2.Robinson
3.Ginobili(reason why:2 championships,and big part of the 2005 le+moral MVP of the 2005 finals)
4.Gervin
5.Elliott
6.Parker

[lebomb]

You know what? This arguing about #1 and #2 is really unnecessary we all love our Spurs and I think either Tim or D Robinson being 1 or 2 is cool with me.

Sorry about getting all of this stirred up.

GO SPURS GO!!!



PS........whottt, Ive been a Spurs fan since I was 7yrs old......thats back when they Spurs came over from the ABA. Thats a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time.

Have a good one.

[ArgSpursFan]

There are only a FEW people that think this.........pretty much everyone I have run across (all my basketball buddies included) have thought Hakeem was a better center than D. Robinson was. Many of these guys ARE Spurs die hards. They are just realistic.

I love D.Robinson,but I think Hakeem has an edge over him.Reason why?His feets.Coming from a soccer background chilhood,like nash,manu,and more,these players know how to move their feets better tham a guy who´s never played soccer as a child.and that gives them a + on the floor .

[Sec24Row7]

Sean has to be #4 CURRENTLY...

6) Parker
5) Ginobili
4) Elliot
3) Gervin
2) Robinson
1) Duncan

Duncan will have his name in the rafters... So will Ginobili... Parker will if he stays... but he is still pretty young and could bail...

Duncan is a pretty clear #1 just by league hardware... He has a more impressive resume RIGHT NOW than David had after his career was over. I realise that we have some people that give David the edge because of his Athleticism etc but as far as Basketball SKILL Duncan beats him by a mile. Watch the kid play... seriously. David couldnt make a right handed shot to save his life. He had a hard time finishing at the Rim after contact. He was a better defender (athleticism) but not by much. I'm not going to argue with someone who says "Well look what David could have done if.." He didnt... Get over it.

Sean is ahead of Manu and Tony because his name is in the Rafters NOW. Do i think they are better players than Sean? Yeah... they both will move ahead of him in my book when there time here is done.

[ArgSpursFan]

Sean has to be #4 CURRENTLY...

Sean is ahead of Manu and Tony because his name is in the Rafters NOW. Do i think they are better players than Sean? Yeah... they both will move ahead of him in my book when there time here is done.

As today,maybe you´re right.but when Tony a Manu retire will problably end up 3rd and 4rd,ahead of Gervin and Elliott,with hopefully 1 or 2 more NBA les before retiring.

[Sec24Row7]

heh... tony and Manu arent getting past gervin...

You obviously never have seen Gervin play...

[ArgSpursFan]

heh... tony and Manu arent getting past gervin...

You obviously never have seen Gervin play...

I did,not live but watched his vids and now his stats,but at the sametime, les count,I must say.

[lebomb]

I have to go with Gervin at #3. Being in the top 5 is an awesome accomplishment anyhow.

Can you imagine if they had a top 30 for the Lakers??? That would be a wild one.

[ArgSpursFan]

I have to go with Gervin at #3. Being in the top 5 is an awesome accomplishment anyhow.

Can you imagine if they had a top 30 for the Lakers??? That would be a wild one.

1-Magic
2-Kareem
3-Wilt
4-Kobe
5-West

[lebomb]

1-Magic
2-Kareem
3-Wilt
4-Kobe
5-West

Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Gail Goodrich
James Worthy
George Mikan................????

[ArgSpursFan]

Shaq
Elgin Baylor
Gail Goodrich
James Worthy
George Mikan................????

After them.In my opinion
Cause shaq aint bigger tham magic,kareem and wilt,kobe and west for lakers fans.

[FromWayDowntown]

I did,not live but watched his vids and now his stats,but at the sametime, les count,I must say.

You're out of your mind if you believe that either Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili will end his career with the Spurs as a better player than George Gervin. They're both very good players and each is legitimately an all-star in his own right. But there's a significant difference between being very good and being great.

George Gervin was a First Team All-NBA player for 5 consecutive seasons and a Second Team All-NBA player in the season before and the season after that run. Neither Manu Ginobili nor Tony Parker has even made the Third Team All-NBA.

George Gervin was in the top 11 in NBA MVP voting in every season from 1976-77 through 1982-83 (he finished 11th in 1977, 2nd in 1978 and 1979, 3rd in 1980, 5th in 1981, 6th in 1982, and 9th in 1983). Tony Parker finished 9th in 2006 (a very good showing) -- but he'd have to improve on that this year and remain in the top 10 for each of the next 5 seasons to have a run like the Iceman had. Manu Ginobili has never received a single vote for the league MVP award.

Mostly, though, George Gervin never got to play with a superstar player (other than himself); Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili have played with 2 no brainer Hall of Fame players. Judging Gervin relatively poorly, compared to Ginobili and Parker, simply because Gervin's teams didn't win les is ridiculous. It's like saying that Robert Horry was a better player than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. Nobody in his right mind would make that argument.

[lebomb]

X2......I have to agree with FromWayDowntown on this one.

[ArgSpursFan]

You're out of your mind if you believe that either Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili will end his career with the Spurs as a better player than George Gervin. They're both very good players and each is legitimately an all-star in his own right. But there's a significant difference between being very good and being great.

George Gervin was a First Team All-NBA player for 5 consecutive seasons and a Second Team All-NBA player in the season before and the season after that run. Neither Manu Ginobili nor Tony Parker has even made the Third Team All-NBA.

George Gervin was in the top 11 in NBA MVP voting in every season from 1976-77 through 1982-83 (he finished 11th in 1977, 2nd in 1978 and 1979, 3rd in 1980, 5th in 1981, 6th in 1982, and 9th in 1983). Tony Parker finished 9th in 2006 (a very good showing) -- but he'd have to improve on that this year and remain in the top 10 for each of the next 5 seasons to have a run like the Iceman had. Manu Ginobili has never received a single vote for the league MVP award.

Mostly, though, George Gervin never got to play with a superstar player (other than himself); Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili have played with 2 no brainer Hall of Fame players. Judging Gervin relatively poorly, compared to Ginobili and Parker, simply because Gervin's teams didn't win les is ridiculous. It's like saying that Robert Horry was a better player than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. Nobody in his right mind would make that argument.

All I can say is:Pop wasn´t Gervin´s coach.And that could be an edge as far as player carreer stats
Can you imagine tony and manu´s numbers if they played for the suns?sick numbers.

[FromWayDowntown]

All I can say is:Pop wasn´t Gervin´s coach.And that could be an edge as far as player carreer stats
Can you imagine tony and manu´s numbers if they played for the suns?sick numbers.

It's pointless to argue with this sort of ignorance.

My argument has nothing to do with stats -- it has everything to do with how great any of those players was compared to his contemporaries. George Gervin was one of the 10 best NBA players of the late 70's and early 80's. Neither Manu Ginobili nor Tony Parker will ever be considered one of the 10 best NBA players of this era. I don't care who they play for, who coaches them, how many championships they win -- the difference is one of quality.

Besides, to paraphrase your logic -- had George Gervin played with Tim Duncan or David Robinson, who knows how many les the Iceman would have won.

The Iceman was substantially better than Ginobili or Parker will ever be. That's not a slight to Manu or Tony; it's a commentary on just how good George Gervin really was.

[baseline bum]

I did,not live but watched his vids and now his stats,but at the sametime, les count,I must say.

Would you put Tony and Manu ahead of TMac, Ray Allen, Iverson, Wade, and so on...? Gervin was better than all of them.

[ShoogarBear]

LMFAO. Isn't this the second go-round in this very same thread about how great Gervin was?

Please, stop, you guys trying to discount Ice are seriously embarrassing yourselves.

[SenorSpur]

You're out of your mind if you believe that either Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili will end his career with the Spurs as a better player than George Gervin. They're both very good players and each is legitimately an all-star in his own right. But there's a significant difference between being very good and being great.

George Gervin was a First Team All-NBA player for 5 consecutive seasons and a Second Team All-NBA player in the season before and the season after that run. Neither Manu Ginobili nor Tony Parker has even made the Third Team All-NBA.

George Gervin was in the top 11 in NBA MVP voting in every season from 1976-77 through 1982-83 (he finished 11th in 1977, 2nd in 1978 and 1979, 3rd in 1980, 5th in 1981, 6th in 1982, and 9th in 1983). Tony Parker finished 9th in 2006 (a very good showing) -- but he'd have to improve on that this year and remain in the top 10 for each of the next 5 seasons to have a run like the Iceman had. Manu Ginobili has never received a single vote for the league MVP award.

Mostly, though, George Gervin never got to play with a superstar player (other than himself); Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili have played with 2 no brainer Hall of Fame players. Judging Gervin relatively poorly, compared to Ginobili and Parker, simply because Gervin's teams didn't win les is ridiculous. It's like saying that Robert Horry was a better player than Karl Malone or Charles Barkley. Nobody in his right mind would make that argument.

Amen brother!

All of which are reasons that Gervin was the 1st-ever Spur inducted into the HOF.

[ArgSpursFan]

Would you put Tony and Manu ahead of TMac, Ray Allen, Iverson, Wade, and so on...? Gervin was better than all of them.

Of course I would.let me tell you why.
I consider great players,thouse who can carry a team by them self to a tle in a playoff run,and that´s the diference between good and great players.
T-mac,Iverson or Allen,never went pass a second round playoff(not sure about allen though)and they could be great and spectacular in the ¨REGULAR SEASON¨,but in the playoffs is the time when great player step up and shine over the rest.+T-mac,Allen or Iverson,allways played 35 mins or + and shoot around 30 to 35 or + shots a game.
These guys(manu and tony)have to play on a slow half court Of.With Pop, and sometimes have to give up some scoring or mpg. or apg just to fit in the spurs sistem(which is very productive),while other players don´t ,and end up ¨looking better on and off the court¨,but Tony and Manu have showed that their numbers may not be impresive enough to be in a 1st.NBA team,or to lead the league in ppg,or apg,but they end up winning les and shining when it really counts.(playoffs,conf.finals or NBA finals)

[cheguevara]

If Gervin played next to Duncan, Spurs would be going for their 5th straight le.

[baseline bum]

Kobe Bryant hasn't exactly been spectacular in leading his team anywhere without Shaq, but he's unquestionably one of the all-time greats, especially in big games in his le runs when he had a supporting cast. Might as well say Manu and TP are better than him too the last 3 years.

[ArgSpursFan]

Kobe Bryant hasn't exactly been spectacular in leading his team anywhere without Shaq, but he's unquestionably one of the all-time greats, especially in big games in his le runs when he had a supporting cast. Might as well say Manu and TP are better than him too the last 3 years.

Ok,I belive you said t-mac,Iverson and allen.
Kobe is a great player,no questions about it,and Wade is a great player too,maybe more tham kobe,but he is still young though.
But let me put it this way now,do you think Duncan was gonna be able to win in 2003 and 2005 without TP and Manu,and with Allen and Iverson?be Honest,and think about how many shots and Minutes Allen and Iverson usually take on a game,and how much dirty work they are known for doing in their teams,and alson how ¨BIG¨ they usually are on KEY playoffs moments or games.