Texas Requires Cancer Vaccine for Girls

[thispego]

whats so different? forget that its a vaccine and that i likened it to an id chip

it's people in authority telling us what we have to do and people blindly accepting.

mandatory...

[Cant_Be_Faded]

CBF is all over the place. Its about Merck, Its about connections to Merck, Its about A Brave New World, its about other options, its about EVERYTHING.

I give up. The Victoria Posse is obviously correct. Peace.

Manny you have not said one damn thing in this entire thread that resembles an argument as to why this is good other than HPV is rampant.
At least im trying to say why I think what I do, lets see you chump dump me, right here, why is this a good idea the way they are coming out with it

at least bolster your pretentiousness with a logical argument, like the way you defend things in political forum
lets have it
other than HPV is rampant.

you're cherry picking what we've said so far and have conveniently ignored the fact that its not tested that long

[Viva Las Espuelas]

mandatory i.d. chip implants for all

It's coming folks. I'm not commenting on the discussion going here currently. I'm just pointing out what I quoted and commenting on it.

[MannyIsGod]

Manny you have not said one damn thing in this entire thread that resembles an argument as to why this is good other than HPV is rampant.
At least im trying to say why I think what I do, lets see you chump dump me, right here, why is this a good idea the way they are coming out with it

at least bolster your pretentiousness with a logical argument, like the way you defend things in political forum
lets have it
other than HPV is rampant.

you're cherry picking what we've said so far and have conveniently ignored the fact that its not tested that long

Ok mother er, but first lets take a look:

Sounds like a lot of dumbasses in this thread who have never heard of Thalidomide CORSO


www.nosideeffects.trusteveryvaccine.org

More required vaccinations, free mercury and poison for everyone!

Let's make it mandatory to inject our kids with something they have no choice over--and all to the benefit of Merck and Co! What a great republican. I want to go out right now and vote republican, even though there are no elections right now! As long as he makes laws where our kid have to be injected with things, in order for his supporters to make millions of dollars-i'm happy!

See what i mean...you see the word vaccine, all of a sudden this is a cure for someone in the midst of cancer?

Okay, take me to this world of vaccine fairies, and I will be happy too.

If the unthinkable happens and I end up having kids one day I am pretty ing confident I will be able to raise them in a way to prevent them from having sex at the age of 11

No Johnny, I would propose we let the glorious system of free enterprise hook these chicks up with a vaccine, instead of letting Mr. Republican give sole rights to a single company.

But overall I am against vaccines in general, and if I have kids they will take the ones that government forces them to take, just like any other person in this free country.

Ok jackass, WHO is the one leading the pretention scoreboard here? And thats only a fraction of your posts.

[MannyIsGod]

Now, as far as the vaccine goes, I don't even know where to start. Do you want me to start with the excellent success it has had in its clinical trials to date? I don't understand why I need to prove to you when it the data is right there in front of you for you to see. All I have seen you toss about is one weak cir stantial piece of bull after another.

First, it was all about Merck and it's connections to Rick Perry. I know all about the pharma companies lobbies and how a high level Merck lobbyist was an aid to Rick Perry, but none of that changes the fact that this vaccine has been proven to work amazingly well. This isn't a product that is a piece of and is simply being used as a pork barrel favor, this is a project that has a load of merit. When you have to sit there and tell me how few American people are dying when it is more per year than have died in the entire Iraq conflict it shows me just how ing weak your argument is. Don't marginalize lives that can be saved simply because they don't fit your ing message board agenda. Furthermore, the faster this drug goes into mass production the faster the price drops and the faster lives can be saved across the world where HPV is a much larger problem.

Then there's the only issue on whether or not vaccines are safe. Do you really want to run the track record of vaccines and tell me the vast majority haven't proven to be a huge benefit to human society or did I miss the last small pox outbreak that killed hundreds of thousands of people? It is funny that you will jump and down on the science for human caused climate change but you quickly forget that when addressing the vaccines. Sure, government agency reports are good for climate change but not for drugs, right?

You've jumped all over the place and can't make an argument longer than a paragraph on any one subject because your case is weak on all fronts. The strongest leg you have to stand on is the lack of long term studies for the drug, but given the outstand clinical trials I don't think thats a very strong leg.

And then to finish it off, this isn't mandatory in any true sense. The biggest benefit from making it mandatory goes not to the drug company, but to those who might otherwise not be able to get access to the drug and are now able to get the vaccine SHOULD THEY DECIDE that is the appropriate course of action. No one is forced to do , but that seems to be a fact that you deem irrelevant only because it undermines your entire argument against it on any front. Props for being a reactionary. Hows that for retention?

[mookie2001]

not that I would ever wish this, CBF, but God forbid your daughter was raped by someone who had this STD.

I promise you that a parent - even more a parent of a little girl - has a totally different POV on stuff like that.

Good stuff, my favorite is all the childless men arguing against this.

you don't have any women in your life that might want to be protected against HPV in the next four years.

I pray that all of those against this have a daughter at some point and she is sexually active at age 12

now thats pretention

parents are too stupid (or, to a lesser degree, uninformed) to do it voluntarily - Which is why a lot of things having to do with the wellbeing of kids are mandator

and this, read it 10 times and tell me thats not the most neocon youve ever read



and manny for the record is there any legit reason why any human being would be against this vaccine, or is everyone questioning it irrational?

[thispego]

Then there's the only issue on whether or not vaccines are safe. Do you really want to run the track record of vaccines and tell me the vast majority haven't proven to be a huge benefit to human society or did I miss the last small pox outbreak that killed hundreds of thousands of people? It is funny that you will jump and down on the science for human caused climate change but you quickly forget that when addressing the vaccines. Sure, government agency reports are good for climate change but not for drugs, right?

what if this happens to be one of the few that have disastrous long-term effects? then everyone would agree that they probably jumped the gun on this one. MANDATE CANCER VACCINES NOW!ASK QUESTIONS LATER!

[Spurminator]

and this, read it 10 times and tell me thats not the most neocon youve ever read

How is it any more Neocon than compulsory education? We're not talking about OnStar Brainchips here, it's a vaccine. This way, if parents don't know or care about the vaccine, their kid doesn't suffer the consequences.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

"Merck and the FDA have not been completely honest with the people about the pre-licensure clinical trials," said NVIC president Barbara Loe Fisher. "Merck's pre and post-licensure marketing strategy has positioned mass use of this vaccine by pre-teens as a morality play in order to avoid talking about the flawed science they used to get it licensed. This is not just about teenagers having sex, it is also about whether Gardasil has been proven safe and effective for little girls."

...

"There is too little long term safety and efficacy data, especially in young girls, and too little labeling information on contraindications for the CDC to recommend Gardasil for universal use, which is a signal for states to mandate it," said Fisher. "Nobody at Merck, the CDC or FDA know if the injection of Gardasil into all pre-teen girls - especially simultaneously with hepa is B vaccine - will make some of them more likely to develop arthritis or other inflammatory autoimmune and brain disorders as teenagers and adults. With cervical cancer causing about one percent of all cancer deaths in American women due to routine pap screening, it was inappropriate for the FDA to fast track Gardasil. It is way too early to direct all young girls to get three doses of a vaccine that has not been proven safe or effective in their age group."

I have no idea where they fall politically...

http://www.909shot.com/PressReleases...06gardasil.htm

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

Now, as far as the vaccine goes, I don't even know where to start. Do you want me to start with the excellent success it has had in its clinical trials to date?

Can you link up the trial data of 9-15 year old girls? From what I've read it hasn't been made public or is virtually non-existent due to a small sample size(1200) and a short follow-up(18 months), but that article(s) was 6 months old.

[Cant_Be_Faded]

First of all I meant why this vaccine administered the way proposed is okay...not why the vaccine itself is okay...noone here is pro cancer.


I was pointing out things that I think are shady about this situation, based on the turns of the thread itself, i will admit at first i was being silly but then turned serious and its my fault for being misinterpreted based on that...however...

First, it was all about Merck and it's connections to Rick Perry. I know all about the pharma companies lobbies and how a high level Merck lobbyist was an aid to Rick Perry, but none of that changes the fact that this vaccine has been proven to work amazingly well. This isn't a product that is a piece of and is simply being used as a pork barrel favor, this is a project that has a load of merit. When you have to sit there and tell me how few American people are dying when it is more per year than have died in the entire Iraq conflict it shows me just how ing weak your argument is. Don't marginalize lives that can be saved simply because they don't fit your ing message board agenda. Furthermore, the faster this drug goes into mass production the faster the price drops and the faster lives can be saved across the world where HPV is a much larger problem.

When did I ever say few people were dying from HPV? CORSO
Also you sure did bolster your pretentiousness by again going out of your way to make it sound like you are the only politically active person in existence. Bravo manny, I am chumpdumped.
I also bet you approved of the Vioxx research after rigorous reading up on the subject too, huh. But that is cir stantial, my bad, the fact that people got hurt from something produced by this company in the past is cir stantial. And is a bad argument. My bad. Kudos.

Then there's the only issue on whether or not vaccines are safe. Do you really want to run the track record of vaccines and tell me the vast majority haven't proven to be a huge benefit to human society or did I miss the last small pox outbreak that killed hundreds of thousands of people? It is funny that you will jump and down on the science for human caused climate change but you quickly forget that when addressing the vaccines. Sure, government agency reports are good for climate change but not for drugs, right?

Obviously most work. And noone in here said otherwise. MOST, manny. I am science-minded, and thats why I am against a new vaccine being put on the same level as MMR. I believe in rigorous as all research in long term effects when it comes to injecting the human body with anything.

And if you want to really go into climate change manny, you are looking smarter.every.day. So i guess I have been CD'ed again.

You talk about data being right there in front of you, then my cir stantial . Well I like how you snuck in over long term effects. Props manny, the test trials for this drugs meet your standards. As long as they meet your standards, then labelling the drug 'mandatory' is okay for EVERYONE. That is such a good argument I feel like stopping right now.

Facts and cir stance? What is a FACT is that Perry has done like this his entire career (giving the nod to his supporters). I think this is wrong, in principle. That is why I ing mentioned it right off the bat. I guess to geniuses like you this is cir stantial and not fact. I bow to your superior intellect. What is FACT is that allowing more than one company to mass produce it would only help the quality of this drug.

And its not mandatory in any true sense? Thats the biggest load of bull , the word mandatory is right there in front of you, I guess you ccould say the statement "The word mandatory is right there in front of you" is a FACT.

[Spurminator]

I'm open to the argument that Gardasil wasn't sufficiently tested. If enough in the medical community believe this is the case, they have until September 2008 to make their case.

[ploto]

If HPV caused the same proportion of men to have to have their penises cut off, you couldn't keep them from getting the vaccine.

[ploto]

The simple truth is this...

People make mistakes. Young people especially make mistakes with their sexuality. They shouldn't have to die for them if it can be prevented.

[ChumpDumper]

And its not mandatory in any true sense? Thats the biggest load of bull , the word mandatory is right there in front of you, I guess you ccould say the statement "The word mandatory is right there in front of you" is a FACT.

Texas allows parents to opt out of inoculations by filing an affidavit stating that he or she objected to the vaccine for religious or philosophical reasons.

I think that's what he meant.

[Kori Ellis]

Can you link up the trial data of 9-15 year old girls? From what I've read it hasn't been made public or is virtually non-existent due to a small sample size(1200) and a short follow-up(18 months), but that article(s) was 6 months old.

At first glance, this is the most extensive trial data I've seen but I don't know if it has the info you are looking for (I didn't read it).

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ardasil_pi.pdf

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

But some medical experts say lawmakers are moving too fast in their efforts to vaccinate all school-age girls. The American Academy of Pediatrics, for instance, is urging a go-slow approach, with an initial focus on raising public awareness of HPV and more monitoring of the safety of the vaccine, which had minimal side effects in clinical trials but hasn't been observed in larger-scale rollouts.

"A lot of us are worried it's a little early to be pushing a mandated HPV vaccine," said Dr. Martin Myers, director of the National Network for Immunization Information. "It's not that I'm not wildly enthusiastic about this vaccine. I am. But many of us are concerned a mandate may be premature, and it's important for people to realize that this isn't as clear-cut as with some previous vaccines."

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/hea...home-headlines

[Johnny_Blaze_47]

Something I forgot to post earlier...

NPR is going to have a discussion about this tomorrow on "Talk of the Nation."

If you miss it, NPR is great about podcasts.

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

At first glance, this is the most extensive trial data I've seen but I don't know if it has the info you are looking for (I didn't read it).

http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_...ardasil_pi.pdf

I've read that, rather, tried to read it on the FDA website. It's a little easier to follow here:

http://www.fda.gov/cber/label/hpvmer060806LB.htm

It worries me that the age group targeted for mandatory immunization only accounts for 10%(1200 of 11,000) of the group who the Gardasil was administered. Especially when you consider the Vioxx and Fosamax(both rolled out by Merck) incidents of the last few years...

I guess I just don't understand the rush to mandate this when cervical cancer rates are in decline and the incidence and mortality of CC account for less than 1% of all female cancer cases/deaths.

Anyone?

[ploto]

I guess I just don't understand the rush to mandate this when cervical cancer rates are in decline and the incidence and mortality of CC account for less than 1% of all female cancer cases/deaths.

Anyone?

0% is better than 1%.

[thispego]

[DisgruntledLionFan#54,927]

0% is better than 1%.

Well, yes and no.

What about diabetic children? If 10 diabetic girls died from this within 10 years, is it still better? Effects on ADD? Asthmatics? Any mention anywhere of those studies?

EDIT: Meh, I don't really care. If you and your local politicians want your children to become guinea pigs, go right ahead. To me, there are a lot more questions than answers with Gardasil.

FYI, it was voted down here in Michigan.

[mookie2001]

wish we had a chance a to vote on it, or at least our politicians

[Kori Ellis]

Is this the official article by the Mookie Crew regarding the topic?

http://www.thevictoriaadvocate.com/428/story/23859.html

[mookie2001]

the writers a sheep