Mahinmi and Scola to meet

[Bruno]

I brought up Michael Wright as an example of a guy who isn't even good enough to do much in the NBDL, yet can go to Europe and flourish because that's what short power forwards do in Europe.

A lot of short power forwards are succesfull in nba but they aren't the same kind of players : nba undersized PFs are mainly defenders and/or rebounders and/or jumpshooter and/or quick players.
Scola doesn't fit in these categories and I have a hard time to find a good nba player with Scola's skillset and body .

[timvp]

Garbajosa and Scola were in the same team in different times of their career, and their heights were meassured in the same place (Tau Ceramica's camp), Garbajosa was 2.05 and Scola was 2.06, 1 cm of edge in favor of Scola. ¿where do you get the 'fact' that Garbajosa is taller?

http://www.freeplayers.com/luisscola.html
http://www.fibaeurope.com/eurobasket...rID_20157.html

Those two links show Garbajosa as an inch taller than Scola. Even if Garbajosa and Scola are the same height, that isn't saying much for Scola seeing how Garbajosa has been a bust.

What I'm saying that IT'S IMPOSSIBLE that Scola would 2 worse than those 2, I'm just showing THE WORST PERFORMANCE POSSIBLE for Scola playing in the NBA.

Garbajosa is a perimeter big -- which has shown to be able to transfer to the NBA. Scola is trying to become the first international short interior power forward in NBA history, while also becoming the highest paid second round draft pick in NBA history.

[ArgSpursFan]

A lot of short power forwards are succesfull in nba but they aren't the same kind of players : nba undersized PFs are mainly defenders and/or rebounders and/or jumpshooter and/or quick players.
Scola doesn't fit in these categories and I have a hard time to find a good nba player with Scola's skillset and body .

I think Karl Malone is/was 6.9 ,wasn´t he?

[Mr. Body]

Timvp is completely hopeless in this thread.

[Bruno]

I think Karl Malone is/was 6.9 ,wasn´t he?

Malone was ten times stronger than Scola and was a good rebounder/defender.

[ploto]

... while also becoming the highest paid second round draft pick in NBA history.

Apples and oranges...

[timvp]

Timvp has irrational hate against Scola. It doesn't matter what you say to him.

Mr. Body either can't read or should just give up on scouting international bigmen.

Nice response to the post where I tried to lead you to the light.

[objective]

Scola is also 2 & 1/2 years younger than Garbajosa.

A reason Garbajosa has had trouble is because he's trying to hit NBA threes because he hit euro threes.

Scola has no such illusions about his range.

[Dartherus]

http://www.freeplayers.com/luisscola.html
http://www.fibaeurope.com/eurobasket...rID_20157.html

Those two links show Garbajosa as an inch taller than Scola. Even if Garbajosa and Scola are the same height, that isn't saying much for Scola seeing how Garbajosa has been a bust.

I was talking about they both being meassured in the same training camp (where Scola was 1 cm taller), anyway, if you look at euroleague's site (more official than fibaeurope), you'll see Scola listed as 2.07 and Garbajosa 2.05, that's almost one inch of edge for Scola.

http://www.euroleague.net/compe io...=159&pcode=AJG

http://217.13.116.51/plantillas/jugador.jsp?id=AHV

Anyway, I don't know why do people keep labeling him as 'undersized' when his height is at least average compared with the starting PF of the NBA.

[Kori Ellis]

A lot of short power forwards are succesfull in nba but they aren't the same kind of players : nba undersized PFs are mainly defenders and/or rebounders and/or jumpshooter and/or quick players.
Scola doesn't fit in these categories and I have a hard time to find a good nba player with Scola's skillset and body .

That's kind of timvp's same point, which is why it's hard to tell if his game is going to translate well.

[timvp]

Garbo plays the 3, even though it isn't his best position, because the team needs him to.

He plays less than 25% of his time at small forward. But yeah, that's more of a reason why Scola is a risk. If Scola is a bust on the low block, he's not someone who the Spurs can move over to small forward.

His rebounding numbers look a lot better than the Spurs starting SF (who averages 4 per 48).

Nice excuse making for the worst rebounding big in the league.

And I would say his selection as Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month in December indicates that some appreciate what he does.

It's a bad sign for the Raptors that he's edging out Bustnani for any rookie honors. And Gabajosa winning awards goes to show you how weak this rookie class is, especially in the East.

He also was rather sick for a while and lost about 10 or 15 pounds. He is just now getting back to full strength.

Brezecitis?

[timvp]

What I'd add is, if some GM issued a 12 mill/3year contract on Garbajosa, why some Spurs fans say a player better suited for NBA like Scola (better scorer, faster, stronger and more athletic, and 3 years younger) is not worth of a 10 mill/3year contract....or how Scola is a more risky option than Garbajosa , a player able to get the rookie of the month as soon as he was at full shape ...¿could somebody explain?

Again, free agent vs. second round draft pick.

[timvp]

Apples and oranges...

Second round draft picks and second round draft picks are apples and oranges?

[ploto]

He plays less than 25% of his time at small forward.

Not in the past month since Bosh came back from his injury. He plays the majority of his minutes at the 3- with Bosh, Rasho, and Andrea (when desperate Humphries) at the 4/5.

[objective]

Anyway, I don't know why do people keep labeling him as 'undersized' when his height is at least average compared with the starting PF of the NBA.

anyone who is as big or bigger than Elton Brand, Carlos Boozer, Kenyon Martin, Udonis Haslem, Ben Wallace, or David Lee is soooooooo undersized.

Having 2 inches on Malik Rose makes him super undersized.

What's even more terrible is his hustle and energy. Or his blocking shots of NBA all-stars like Jermaine O'Neal and Elton Brand.

Better to have a zombie who can backtap offensive rebounds like Oberto.

[Mr. Body]

Not in the past month since Bosh came back from his injury. He plays the majority of his minutes at the 3- with Bosh, Rasho, and Andrea (when desperate Humphries) at the 4/5.

Timvp, you're getting completely owned in this thread. You need to give it up.

[ploto]

It's a bad sign for the Raptors that he's edging out Bustnani for any rookie honors. And Gabajosa winning awards goes to show you how weak this rookie class is, especially in the East.

Given that Andrea won it the next month and they were BOTH chosen for the rookie All-Star team shows your bias.

Where's the Spurs good rookie? Oh yeah, NBDL.

[timvp]

Not in the past month since Bosh came back from his injury. He plays the majority of his minutes at the 3- with Bosh, Rasho, and Andrea (when desperate Humphries) at the 4/5.

You mean the last month where Garbajosa shot 32.6% from the field?

[Bruno]

That's kind of timvp's same point, which is why it's hard to tell if his game is going to translate well.

Yeah, I agree with timvp's POV.

[timvp]

Timvp, you're getting completely owned in this thread. You need to give it up.

You just owned yourself by agreeing with that post. Yeah, Garbajosa has really flourished in the last month by shooting 32%.

If you were half as good at scouting international bigs as you are at evading questions, you might be able to add something to this thread.

[Dartherus]

What I'd add is, if some GM issued a 12 mill/3year contract on Garbajosa, why some Spurs fans say a player better suited for NBA like Scola (better scorer, faster, stronger and more athletic, and 3 years younger) is not worth of a 10 mill/3year contract....or how Scola is a more risky option than Garbajosa , a player able to get the rookie of the month as soon as he was at full shape ...¿could somebody explain?

Again, free agent vs. second round draft pick.

I was talking about absolute VALUE, if Garbajosa has a 12 mill/3year contract, why they consider a player like Scola, more talented, slightly taller, faster, stronger and more athletic, and 3 years younger has less value?

You also admitted that Garbajosa plays only 25% of his time at SF, the rest plays PF or even Center at Toronto, and he does pretty well, being rookie of tha month lately.....

Also, Why a legit 6'9" is labeled as 'undersized' for NBA PF?

[Kori Ellis]

I was talking about absolute VALUE, if Garbajosa has a 12 mill/3year contract, why they consider a player like Scola, more talented, slightly taller, faster, stronger and more athletic, and 3 years younger has less value?

Also, Why a legit 6'9" is labeled as 'undersized' for NBA PF?

Garbajosa's value is different than Scola's value to the Spurs because one is on the open market and one isn't.

[Bruno]

You mean the last month where Garbajosa shot 32.6% from the field?

or the last month where he has been outrebounded by Ginobili.

[timvp]

or the last month where he has been outrebounded by Ginobili.

Watch out, Bruno, or else Mr. I-Watched-Robertas-Javtokas-in-a-highlight-reel-and-want-to-give-him-the-MLE might say you got owned.

[Dartherus]

Watch out, Bruno, or else Mr. I-Watched-Robertas-Javtokas-in-a-highlight-reel-and-want-to-give-him-the-MLE might say you got owned.

Timvp, you admitted that Garbajosa plays barely 25% of his time at SF, the rest plays PF or even Center at Toronto, and he does pretty well, being rookie of the month lately (even not being a great rebounder).....

Do you consider Garbajosa would do worse than Oberto or Elson at Spurs for going aside Tim?

Why then so much aversion for a player who is 3 years younger, more fundamentally sound, stronger, faster and more athletic (Garbo not even in his most wet dreams would have gotten the HUGE block Scola got on Jermaine, for just one small example), that is likeley to be 1/2 inch taller?

Also, why a legit 6'9" would be 'undersized' for NBA PF? what is the % of NBA PF taller than that?

Will u answer Timvp?