Updates: Viktor Sanikidze

[whottt]

Geez...I wish Barry would stop being a girl about this and announce something.


ing primadonnas.

[timvp]

No, they were not goin to ge cheaper so the Spurs pay $7 million in luxury tax.

So what?

They wanted him before drafting Splitter. Afterwards, not so much.

ChumpDumper believes that theory so it's true.

If the Spurs were never going to sign him, why not?

Money.

What does that even mean. Those players were coming back no matter what.

Because Scola is better.

I don't watch Kings games.

The Kings don't play the Spurs?

It made perfect financial sense. Butler is off the books.

Butler is off the books so the trade was a success? If the Spurs would have traded Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing would you have been happy?

[timvp]

Geez...I wish Barry would stop being a girl about this and announce something.

Exactly. Scola trade has long been an old subject.

ing hesitaters.

Fixed.

[ChumpDumper]

So what?

Exactly. A multimillion dollar tax bill simply doesn't figure into your argument.

ChumpDumper believes that theory so it's true.

So the Spurs traded Scola because they really wanted to sign him. Much better theory.

Money.

He would make more in Europe

Because Scola is better.

And? They were going to be Spurs and Scola wasn't. That decision was made.

The Kings don't play the Spurs?

It probably won't be televised in Austin.

Butler is off the books so the trade was a success? If the Spurs would have traded Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing would you have been happy?

You were talking about the financial aspect. What do all those names have to do with the financial aspect of the trade? Did you have trouble understanding my use of the word financial in that sentence or are you just trying to muddy the waters?

[timvp]

Exactly. A multimillion dollar tax bill simply doesn't figure into your argument.

There was only one way to skin the cat?

So the Spurs traded Scola because they really wanted to sign him. Much better theory.

They attempted a salary dump. It was a bad salary dump. I can admit the Spurs don't always make good trades. Can you name a Spurs trade you didn't agree with?

He would make more in Europe

ROFL.

Sincerely,

Emmanuel and Andres

And? They were going to be Spurs and Scola wasn't. That decision was made.

So it's impossible to salary dump anyone not named Jackie?

It probably won't be televised in Austin.

I'll put it on YouTube.

You were talking about the financial aspect. What do all those names have to do with the financial aspect of the trade? Did you have trouble understanding my use of the word financial in that sentence or are you just trying to muddy the waters?

I understood your point. Now please answer my question. Would you have been happy with Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing?

[ChumpDumper]

There was only one way to skin the cat?

Jumping $5-6 million over the tax threshold to hope you can get get rid of all of that amount later in the season isn't realistic.

They attempted a salary dump. It was a bad salary dump. I can admit the Spurs don't always make good trades. Can you name a Spurs trade you didn't agree with?

I didn't like giving away all the picks to make room for Kidd.

ROFL.

Sincerely,

Emmanuel and Andres

Who could Scola sign with if the Spurs kept his rights?

Sincerely,

The Collective Bargaining Agreement

So it's impossible to salary dump anyone not named Jackie?

Who else did they want to get rid of this summer?

I'll put it on YouTube.

Don't bother.

I understood your point. Now please answer my question. Would you have been happy with Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing?

If you are still asking that, I don't think you do understand the point.

[timvp]

Jumping $5-6 million over the tax threshold to hope you can get get rid of all of that amount later in the season isn't realistic.

I'd say it's realistic seeing as Scola's value is now twice or three times as high as when the Spurs traded him.

I didn't like giving away all the picks to make room for Kidd.

Damn, five years without a complaint. Impressive.

Who could Scola sign with if the Spurs kept his rights?

Sincerely,

The Collective Bargaining Agreement

It's not unheard of to acquire a player with the thought of trading him a couple months later.

Sincerely,

Sam Presti and Kurt Thomas

Who else did they want to get rid of this summer?

Why not salary dump Elson, who wouldn't have taken Scola to dump. And then include Butler's expiring contract in the Thomas trade?

Nahh ... makes too much sense.

Don't bother.

You don't like Hayes anymore because he plays behind Scola? ........... and Landry?

If you are still asking that, I don't think you do understand the point.

I do understand your point. Now I'm asking an unrelated question: Would you have been happy with Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing.

TIA.

[duncan228]

I really enjoy these "debates" between timvp and ChumpDumper and whottt.
You all have a great way of presenting your side, the humor is appreciated.
I learn more from this board than I ever thought possible.
Thanks guys.

[whottt]

I really enjoy these "debates" between timvp and ChumpDumper and whottt.
You all have a great way of presenting your side, the humor is appreciated.
I learn more from this board than I ever thought possible.
Thanks guys.

Enjoy the rarity of a Chump V timvp fight...it's a rare one. It's one of the rarest combos on the board...


Not as rare as a Marcus Bryant V timvp matchup...but still pretty rare.


BTW, I was content to merely lurk this one out till timvp started flailing in my innocent direction...

[ChumpDumper]

I'd say it's realistic seeing as Scola's value is now twice or three times as high as when the Spurs traded him.

Good job ignoring the other players. Just a few million -- no one cares about a few million -- especially the Spurs.

Damn, five years without a complaint. Impressive.

Not a whole lot to complain about tradewise. They don't make too many of them. I'm basically against trading away first round picks in the high 20s just to save on the cap hit. It seems like it would be easy enough to trade that small a salary for nothing.

It's not unheard of to acquire a player with the thought of trading him a couple months later.

Sincerely,

Sam Presti and Kurt Thomas

Nice choice of words. If you can find a player that was signed specifically to put a frugal team several million over the tax threshold when that team had no plans for him, I'll concede that point.

Why not salary dump Elson, who wouldn't have taken Scola to dump. And then include Butler's expiring contract in the Thomas trade?

Nahh ... makes too much sense.

It certainly doesn't make any sense, since there is zero evidence the Spurs were looking to move him at the time.

You don't like Hayes anymore because he plays behind Scola? ........... and Landry?

I like him fine and would love to have him on the Spurs. I just told you I wouldn't bring him up again as my contribution to not living in the past. Why do you want to keep bringing him up? Please answer.

I do understand your point. Now I'm asking an unrelated question: Would you have been happy with Splitter, Mahinmi, Scola and Butler for nothing.

No. And I'm not "happy" with the Scola trade. It is what it is.

You're welcome.

[duncan228]

Enjoy the rarity of a Chump V timvp fight...it's a rare one. It's one of the rarest combos on the board...


Not as rare as a Marcus Bryant V timvp matchup...but still pretty rare.


BTW, I was content to merely lurk this one out till timvp started flailing in my innocent direction...

The ChumpDumper/timvp combo might be rare but it's always good.

your "innocent direction."

[timvp]

No. And I'm not happy with the Scola trade.

Mission Accomplished.

[whottt]

your "innocent direction."

I was quite content toying with Marcus Bryant in the game thoughts threads and if anything had some initial issues concerning Chump's opinion on Sanikidze...


I have fought with all these guys...there is no rare matchup for me, so I enjoying watchign the rare arguments as much as anyone else.


I look forward to the next Unicorn sighting(otherwise known as a timvp/MB bout).

[ChumpDumper]

Thanks for the misquote.

Always appreciated.

[timvp]

I have fought with all these guys...there is no rare matchup for me, so I enjoying watchign the rare arguments as much as anyone else.

Link to the last time you argued with ChumpDumper?

I look forward to the next Unicorn sighting(otherwise known as a timvp/MB bout).

The last time I argued with MB, Stephen Jackson ended up owning me. I've been gun shy since. That and we usually agree. It's tough to argue with someone you agree with.

[ChumpDumper]

I declared the same kind of nonvictory at the end of my last argument with whottt in the political forum.

[timvp]

Chump's opinion on Sanikidze...

Yeah to bring this back around to the topic, I was disappointed when ChumpDumper returned from Vegas with only muted praise of Sanikidze. Compared to all the suck we saw on that team, Sanikidze looked like Dave Cowens out there.

Sanikidze looks to be a good prospect from the bad camera angles I saw during summer league. However I do think there is something odd with him. As whottt said, maybe the Spurs have been hiding him to a degree. Maybe he really is a china doll. Or maybe his homeless drug addict look is more than just a look.

I can't tell at this point. Although it would have been appreciated if ChumpDumper returned from Vegas with more fuel to add to the Sanikidze bandwagon.

[ChumpDumper]

Viktor looked fine -- when he played. 30 total minutes just isn't enough for me to draw a solid conclusion. While I already stated that Williams and White were the priorities after Butler, I always wondered why Viktor didn't play more. The Butler showcase really threw everything off for me.

[Holt's Cat]

The last time I argued with MB, Stephen Jackson ended up owning me. I've been gun shy since. That and we usually agree. It's tough to argue with someone you agree with.

timvp has more knowledge of the game than I could ever hope to ac ulate in my 9 lives.

[whottt]

Link to the last time you argued with ChumpDumper?

The evil that is the Scola thread is more important than any issues Chump and I might have with each other. Besides our agreement is a rare one and might be key to a Spurs repeat IMO.

The last time I argued with MB, Stephen Jackson ended up owning me. I've been gun shy since. That and we usually agree. It's tough to argue with someone you agree with.

Link? How did this come about...as I recall GW was the chief SJax honk(owning everyone in the process) and MB and GW were rarely on the same side of anything...you must have been an anti-Jack to have gotten owned....So I'd really like to read that thread.

[whottt]

duncan228, the rarest matchup is the one where you see us all agree on something...

the last time that happened was um...

Nick Van Exel...yuck.


...talk about a mass owning of the ST faithful at the nuclear level.

The less we see of that one the better.

[whottt]

Yeah to bring this back around to the topic, I was disappointed when ChumpDumper returned from Vegas with only muted praise of Sanikidze. Compared to all the suck we saw on that team, Sanikidze looked like Dave Cowens out there.

I'll agree with that...I think Chump was probably more interested in Vegas.

Sanikidze looks to be a good prospect from the bad camera angles I saw during summer league. However I do think there is something odd with him. As whottt said, maybe the Spurs have been hiding him to a degree. Maybe he really is a china doll. Or maybe his homeless drug addict look is more than just a look.

To me it makes sense that if he's a known quan y and the Spurs want to hold on to him, it makes trades harder for the Spurs...teams might begin trying to squeeze him out of them in deals...why create that headache?

I can't tell at this point. Although it would have been appreciated if ChumpDumper returned from Vegas with more fuel to add to the Sanikidze bandwagon.

I'll agree with that...outside of DW, Sanikidze was the only positive thing about the SL. Maybe Chump had a bad night at the Black Jack table or somehting...

[duncan228]

I think I learn more when you all disagree.

And the best part is the humor.
You guys can tear each other's arguments apart but you keep it civil. And funny.
It's fun to read. If you were tearing each other apart it would be hard to read...and off topic.

Sorry timvp...I'll stay out of here now and let you guys stay on topic.

[timvp]

The evil that is the Scola thread is more important than any issues Chump and I might have with each other. Besides our agreement is a rare one and might be key to a Spurs repeat IMO.

I back you and CD in that Scola thread. I just vented a bit in this thread because none of those Scola homers are going to open a thread about Viktor Sanikidze. This is a safe zone.

Link? How did this come about...as I recall GW was the chief SJax honk(owning everyone in the process) and MB and GW were rarely on the same side of anything...you must have been an anti-Jack to have gotten owned....So I'd really like to read that thread.

It predates this software. MB and GW were on the Start SJax bandwagon during the 2002-03 preseason. I said SJax was too crazy and too erratic to start. MB and GW insisted SJax should be the starter.

I lost that argument handily. That might have been the first and only time an argument was led by MB and GW being on the same page. I should have known that was a bad omen and to stay away . . .

[ChumpDumper]

If you guys remember, my Vegas report was not a timely one. In fact, I didn't even have one. You had plenty of time to sort out your feelings about this guy.