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I agree. And I think Diaw can't play good with amare. I think he will play like last year with KG and marion.
Wow, I don't see it that way at all. To me, KG and Marion would complement each other perfectly (especially on defense, where KG being there down low means Marion doesn't have to take on the other team's best forward and can focus more on creating turnovers and grabbing loose balls, which he's excellent at), whereas Amare would simply get in KG's way (and vice versa).
I agree. And I think Diaw can't play good with amare. I think he will play like last year with KG and marion.
Is not about being a Pro-Amare or not.I´m saying that the suns as a franshise have more potential for the next 10 years(finally winning a championship or not)keeping Amare tham getting KG.
Just think of this:they get KG,but they get rid of Amare and Barbosa.They´ll be lossing 2 player who will be capable to play at a high level for the next 10 yrs or so,they may not be able to win a championship without Nash,but still be in the top 5 teams in the Conference.
Now if they get KG and don´t win it all,they got a KG and Nash playing in a high level for 2 yrs or so.And them what???
That would be the question to answer.
true,but they have been using Barbosa as a buckup PG while He is a true SG.Without Nash, the Suns are 4-11 in the last 3 seasons
If the Suns think Amare without a premier set-up man can lead them to a le in a loaded conference, they'd need a new coach, a radically different offensive system, a steep rise in Amare's defense, post moves and IQ and a lot of luck. An Amare/Barbosa/Marion/Bell/Jones line-up may get past the Lakers/Warriors/Nuggets. But it's not good enough to get past the Spurs/Mavs/Jazz/Rockets
Ofcourse they need another PG,no doubt,but if that the case KG without a good PG worths too,just like Amare would.And If you ask me I reather keep a young Amare tham an agin KG.
Yer right. Once Nash retires the team will probably be below average -average. And without a doubt KG is better than Amare.
But, the Suns, who ruined it for themselves this year, are contenders, not just 2nd tier contnders. How can you say that? The team, though some people like to not take this into consideration for whatever reason, was not at full strength. Nash at the end of game one obviously was injured and couldn't play, and oviously for game 6 they missed some their best players for the entire game.
Had the Spurs gone down 3-2, none of us would be talking about this. It could happen next year unless something hapens where they become victims of their own stupidy, again. A say let the team live and learn.
And when Nash does start to lose a step, or retires, and the team starts to suck with a still young Amare as it's main guy they could start rebuilding by trading him for a pick or something, while he's still valued.
I agree.its easier to bild a team around a young Big man like Amare tham an Aging KG when Nash finally retires,just like the spurs did with TD.Of course I´m not trying to compare Amare with Timmy,there´s only gonna be one Tim Duncan.
Now think on this scenario,the Volves are trying to get at least 2 young studs for KG,ok?
What If the volves would want to trade KG for Tony and Manu?a young star+ one of the best 6 th men in the league.Would you all do that trade???no way!
Same thing for the Suns in my opinion.
Precisely my point. They both need the PG, and his name is Nash for the next 2 years.Ofcourse they need another PG,no doubt,but if that the case KG without a good PG worths too,just like Amare would.And If you ask me I reather keep a young Amare tham an agin KG.
KG + Nash >> Amare + Nash for 2008-10.
After 2010, Nash retires, and neither Amare nor KG will help them contend at the level they are right now. So mortgage the future and try to win now, instead of keeping Amare and being a very good team that will struggle to get out of the loaded West year after year
Here's a post I found on LG.net about a supposed MN insider ... so take it with more than a pinch of salt, but this is his version...
slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=929119&page=5
aight got some more info and was able to answer some questions about why this is takin so long to go public.
ill start from the top
-friday june 15
friday night kg is notified of a preleminary trade agreement with phx for stoudamire and phx pick from atl and is asked if he will waive his opt out clause which he agrees to do
-mon jun 18th
kg agent speaks with phx to confirm details and to express his clients' willingness to play there
-tues june 19th
in the mounring paperwork on trade to phx for amare starts..phx however is trying to change deal to involve boston. so that they would send marion and thier picks to boston and boston would send the twolves all them players and their pick.
this is halted because marion whos contract expires next year tells boston he doesnt want to play for them and wont past next season
-wednesday jun 20th
unknown to kg, kevin mchale and danny ainge work out a deal not involving phx. late wednesday night kg's agent gets wind of deal which infuriates kg being that he never told the wolves he would go to boston and doesnt like mchale telling him hes goin to phx and then goin behind his back to make a deal wit boston.
thursday jun21th
kg tell media he doesnt want to go to boston which nix's this deal cuz boston wont take him unless waives his opt out clause.
now phx has agreed to give wolves amare but they have asked for time to try involve another team to get the wolves a better package (like the one boston was gonna give)
this is because phx would like to get something for marion who they konw that wont be resigning next year
which means that the suns are trying to find a team marion would be willing to sign to long term to who will agrre to send the twolves players and picks. They have untill the draft to do this and if they dont find a team they will send the wolves amare..
basically kg is goin to phx for amare unless phx can find another team to get rid of marion so they dont have to give up amare.
now as far as why kg wants to go to phx over boston is that 1 he and nash are mad cool and he thinks he can win a championship there...secondly kg doesnt want to play in in large market like boston or l.a. he doesnt want to have to deal with all the media like that and prefers phoenix smaller market feel ...similar to mn.
LMAO on Duncan and KG canceling each other out...Duncan is superior to KG. KG's biggest accomplishment was winning the MVP in 2004 and making the 2004 WCF. Duncan, on the other hand, has 2 MVP's, and 4 championships. BTW, the 2004 Timberwolves were the worst best-record in the West, in Western Conference history. Horrible showing in the WCF's that year.
While Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, and Manu are in town, there's no stopping the Spurs, no matter who their bench is. Maybe when Tim Duncan gets older up there in age, 34-35. He's still only 31.
Spurs have the best big three in the league.
but ,you think the suns will get better getting KG and giving up alot of youth.on Amare and Barbosa?
they wont have no spark from the bench at all coze Barbosa will be gone and Diaw will have to be a starter.
I say they should try to get KG,but not give up that much and many young talented guys.
If they give up Amare they won't have to give up Barbosa. Amare + Kurt Thomas can get it done
You're right that Phx is trying to get KG without giving up any youth. Ideally they want to ship out Marion/Thomas/Diaw etc. But it would take a 3rd team to make it work, someone like Boston, LA, Denver. This 3rd team needs to satisfy 2 criteria:
1. Taking on Marion + filler improves this team or fills a key need
2. It has pieces which are attractive to MN if they give up KG.
Problem is, Marion nixed the Boston 3-way by saying he doesn't want to go to Boston
It's moronic to think that the team as it is stands no chance to win a championship!
Just bring yourself to believe-it shouldn't be that hard but for some reason it is-that the team as it is is capable of winning the west (the Finals). It's highly concievable considering that if they went up 3-2 this year-a scenario that is at least slightly realistic (saracsm) if they had been equiped with all their weapons-they would have put themselves in a very good position to win the series!
As much as I llike the Spurs, I'm pretty convinced that if they went down 3-2 they would ahve lost.
So take that all into consideration
say they keep Amare, yer right they'll suck after Nash retires, but they could trade him for a high pick. That would leave them with basically a team for a year. But for that years draft they would have two really high picks.
A KG for Amare + Thomas trade would leave the Suns with a roster that would be just sick offensively, with the opportunity, if properly coached, (big if) to implement a terrific team defense. With Amare, they don't have that opportunity, because their team defense is a donut when he's in the middle.
The downside is that the roster would still be kind of thin.
If PHX is smart, they'll keep Amare
Source? Marion doesn't have a no-trade clause. I guess, like Garnett, he could threaten to not re-sign with his new team.
Amare isn't going anywhere.
Defense doesn't win championships... everybody knows this by now.
you're not gonna keep Amare and also acquire KG
Maybe not. But you Spur fans sure are posting a whole lot about why a KG to Phoenix deal won't happen. On the other hand, Minnesota can take something for him now, or get nothing after next season.
I would consider Marion the functional equivalent of nothing
If I were you, I'd probably consider a career somewhere besides being a NBA general manager.
KG for Amare makes sense. The Suns give themselves the best possible chance to win a couple of les before Nash goes into decline, and the Wolves get a young star to build around.
KG for Marion is stupid on the Wolves' part. Marion is only a couple of years younger than KG, and is best suited as a second or third star. Clearing $20+ million in cap room by letting KG walk is probably better than trading him for a complementary player making a maximum salary.
Seriously, think about KG in there instead of Amare. I know Amare is a very shiny object, what with all his dunking and muscle-flexing and pushups, and calling himself STAT and Black Jesus, but with KG in there, the Suns keep all their offensive potency, maybe even improve upon it with KG's versatility. Plus, the Suns would have a lineup that, if D'Antoni would stop kissing his own ass and actually put some effort into implementing a defensive scheme, or at least into hiring an assistant who can, would have the length, quickness, tenacity and athleticism to be an elite defensive unit as well.
You might get a real life championship instead of the hypothetical ones you cherish now.
Who wants a hypothetical championship? You mean like one with an asterisk attached? I want a real one.
Garnett for Amare should benefit both teams.
It's no secret that:
1) Nash makes the Suns motor goes
2) Nash only have 3 years, max, left.
3) Amare will not reach his full potential in 3 years.
4) KG is a superior defender, passer and more versatile offensively than Amare.
5) Amare is a better finisher.
By adding KG to the Suns, the pick and roll between Nash and KG will be just as potent, Marion would be happier, and KG will be a huge upgrade defensively over Amare. This would give a huge push to the Suns' championship hopes.
The Wolves will get a young talent, great draw, and amazing finisher in Amare. Gives them a chance to rebuild the whole team from scratch, purge bad contracts and rebuild the team around Amare, something that they couldn't do with KG because of his contract and age.
It's great for both teams, terrible for the rest of the league.
At this point I would think any championship would suffice
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