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  1. #251
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    This crazy-ass Scola trade was about getting rid of Butler that Pop couldn't stand and wanted out of here as confirmed by both Ludden and a guy who is cloose friends of a Spurs team member.
    A friend who just got a new contract from the Spurs- I am SURE there is no conflict of interest and that everything the Spurs tell him is true. Just like his buddy Beno's excuses are true, too.

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    Here we go bashing the trade again.

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    $100,000 does not equal $3 or $4M in luxury tax.
    Try $2 million lost by being over and not getting a share of the luxury tax bootie. Try getting one simple thing right for once.

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    Actually you still get a tax share- just not a full one. Try again.

    The point was that the Spurs have been willing to go a couple hundred thousand into luxury tax but not millions and millions and millions. Why do you think they traded for Ely- saved $1M in luxury tax this year.

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    Actually you still get a tax share- just not a full one. Try again.
    per Bruno who actually unlike you knows his .

    $55.6M were collected last year with the luxury tax.

    The 25 teams under the tax get 1/30th of the money collected ($1.85M).
    The 5 * 1/30th not given to teams under the tax ($9.26M) has been used by the league to help teams that lose money.


    Since the Spurs did not lose money they got nothing.

    Stop trying. Find a Raptor board and whine to them about the mean Spurs.

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    The CBA is set up to redistribute the money if the League does not use it. Just because they decided to use it that year does not mean the provision does not exist in the CBA. I know they used it up- to help out the Hornets primarily. Does not change the CBA.

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    You just want to change the topic. The Spurs WILL NOT pay $4M in luxury tax to sign him for $4M. Salary HAS to be dumped somewhere.

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    You're wrong.
    Portland can't do a S&T with Udoka.
    They CAN. Maybe you meant Portland WON'T. Or he won't agree to that salary. But technically they CAN.

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    A friend who just got a new contract from the Spurs- I am SURE there is no conflict of interest and that everything the Spurs tell him is true. Just like his buddy Beno's excuses are true, too.
    Did you just try to paint yourself as one of the more objective posters by default?

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    Ok.

    I'm done.

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    No- I have always been clear and upfront in my perspective.

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    Yup

    White guys > any other race.

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    No- I have always been clear and upfront in my perspective.
    btw when am I going to start missing Rasho, before or after I start missing Butler?

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    Ime Udoka!

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    Think smaller and more definite....

    MARCUS WILLIAMS!

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    The report of signing seems to have died a premature death.
    Or, the premature signing seems to have died a natural death.

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    The report of signing seems to have died a premature death.
    Or, the premature signing seems to have died a natural death.
    Sounds like it didn't happen at all, isn't close yet, and many teams are still after Udoka. Premature to say the least.

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    Plus...it's the weekend. Announcements of agreements and signings tend to slow down during weekends.

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    I wonder if Spurs are actually considering tendering an offer to Travis Outlaw, while simultaneously offering a contract to Udoka....using the full MLE and putting pressure on the Blazers....

    Probably not....

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    Why do we keep saying...

    Ime Udoka

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    Why do we keep saying...

    Ime Udoka
    What do you mean? Like why do we think there is legitimate interest...?

    His name has been linked to the Spurs in a few different reliable places...

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    Ime Udoka!

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    btw when am I going to start missing Rasho, before or after I start missing Butler?

    Pwned !!

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    So is this really all the info we have? There has to be some more articles about this somewhere...

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    So is this really all the info we have? There has to be some more articles about this somewhere...
    Got a Hoopsworld for what it's worth.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22768.shtml

    Spurs: Scola Trade Explained; Udoka Signing Imminent

    By Bill Ingram
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    Jul 14, 2007, 14:12


    San Antonio Spurs fans went through the roof when they heard about the trade. It's not official yet because Jackie Butler has to leave Las Vegas to fly to Houston and pass a physical with the Rockets, but pending that the Spurs have traded Butler and the rights to Luis Scola to Houston for Vassilis Spanoulis.

    Spurs fans have been up in arms since hearing about the deal. Scola, after all, is an international powerhouse. He's been a big part of Olympic success and has built in chemistry with Spurs stars Manu Ginobili and Fabricio Oberto, who play alongside him for Argentina. He's a 20 and ten guy, and those just don't come along every day. Why would the Spurs trade him for a point guard that didn't play in Houston last year?

    No disrespect to V-Span. He's an international star in is own right, and was sold a bill of goods by the Rockets that was cancelled by Jeff Van Gundy. He wound up riding the bench after being told he's be in the rotation, and that's not entirely his fault. He didn't play well in preseason, and for Van Gundy that was enough to justify benching him . . .forever.

    This trade wasn't about Spanoulis, any way. It was about finding the heir apparent to Bruce Bowen, and the word out of Portland is that the Spurs have done that. Jason Fleming, who covers the Trail Blazers for Basketball News feels Udoka is the next premier defender in the NBA and often compares him to Bowen. Udoka has a knack for hitting the three (41% in 2006-07), has long arms and the quickness to disrupt passing lanes, and - bonus - he's a decent free throw shooter. Having spent time as both a Laker and a Knick, Udoka didn't really hit his NBA stride until he joined Portland, where he became a regular rotation player and averaged 8.4 points per game last season. He's been getting plenty of love on the free agent market, but it seems the Spurs will be the ones to nab him, offering three years and $12 million.

    Of course, the Spurs don't have any cap space, so a trade was needed. Spurs scouts were certain that Scola was never going to join San Antonio. He wants to start, and that just isn't going to happen on a team with Tim Duncan, the league's top power forward. In Houston Scola will start and he'll play a significant role in their success. The Rockets were in desperate need a four, and Scola is exactly what they needed at that position. As a trade off they also took Butler, who is unlikely to be a rotation guy for Houston but could come in and give up a few fouls here and there.

    Whether or not Spanoulis comes back to the NBA is really beside the point. He swears he won't, having packed up and moved back to Greece within minutes of the Rockets' season coming to an end. His stance may change if the Spurs say the right things, but ultimately it's not what this deal was about. The Spurs got the cap room they needed to sign their top free agent prospect and they did it by giving up a piece that was never going to be part of the team.
    Last edited by duncan228; 07-14-2007 at 03:49 PM.

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    Damn, hoopsworld

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