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no thatīs fine.you can do that all the time.
I just wanna see you go down and keep throwing the fansy passes while your down or up by 2 in a close game in the Olympics.
Hmm...I have heard this before....Athens 2004. When they say it, its gospel, when we say it, its arrogance.Accept you got beat and move on.
How do you say "double standard" in Spanish?
no thatīs fine.you can do that all the time.
I just wanna see you go down and keep throwing the fansy passes while your down or up by 2 in a close game in the Olympics.
Me? I don't play Olympic basketball.no thatīs fine.you can do that all the time.
I just wanna see you go down and keep throwing the fansy passes while your down or up by 2 in a close game in the Olympics.
As far as this US team goes, they have been up and down by 2 in close games......in the first quarter.
Tell you what you get the Argie "A" team in and get within 10 points of this particular team in the 4th quarter and we will see.
just add Manu and Chapu,not a complete team,and them Iīll tell you what their faces will look like in a 4rd quarter vs Arg.
They beat Manu and crew last year in Japan.
I noticed you still haven't answered my question about Beijing.
You are a coward.
yeah,for a 3rd place.
manu doesnt play for 3rd places with the same determination as it was a semis or finals(you should know that as spurs fan),we lost by 1 with Spain in the semis and there was nothing else to do in Japan.
Irrelevant. A great player tries to win every game no matter what. Manu always goes out to win. (You should know that as a Spurs fan)yeah,for a 3rd place.
manu doesnt play for 3rd places with the same determination as it was a semis or finals(you should know that as spurs fan),we lost by 1 with Spain in the semis and there was nothing else to do in Japan.
And you still haven't answered my question.
Was it too difficult?
Good observation, I was thinking much the same thing. I love Billups and frankly he would fit into the Spur's system well but the we do seem to to lose focus when Kidd leaves. Maybe K could flip Deron and see what happens.
As for Chris Paul being put on the Olympic team that is questionable IMO. He got abused in Athens due to his lack of strength. He is a smaller guard who runs the floor well but can't handle the big international guards. Now if he hits the weight room and beefs up then that would be different. I think his lack of strength is the reason for his not being on the team.
I did.In that game you were the ones(and still are) that havent won in the international scenario for a while.
in that game for the 3rd place we were,and still are,the Olympics champs.
We couldnīt reach our goal(win the world cup)and just played for the finals stats,while you holded on to that game like it was for the gold medal.
But thatīs ok,I guess we just got diferent standards that world cup.
First we both need to qualify for the Olympics. Important games are to be played on Saturday. One step at the time.I thought Denial was in Africa...and the Amazon was in S. America...
Guess I was wrong.
You guys are going to get owned in the 08 Olympics...surely you know this?
You aren't going to be playing a team that's only been together for 2 weeks this time around...but we will
It's not that...it's the things they do after a dunk or a block, they seem to be more concerned about the cameras than the actual play. Lebron dunked on LoGrippo and stared at him like he was badass. Why? I don't know, I guess that your majesty got upset because some unknown Argie dared to contest his dunk. And the next play was hilarious, Lebron was guarding LoGrippo, who is the most unathletic player in the world, and yet he scored a layup and got the foul just with good footwork and fundamentals. LoGrippo just smiled and made his free throws.
Like I said before...this kids playing for Team USA are tremendously talented, but they need to watch more tapes from the 1992 Olympics. That team had Bird, Magic, Jordan, Barkley, etc. and they never acted that way after a dunk or a good play. They had some of the best players in the history of basketball and they respected every opponent by playing as hard as they could, that's what made them so great.
Puerto Rico are arseholes. Some of their players copy the "balla" kind of basketball, and that's killing their game. In this tournament, when they played Argentina they were thumping their chests because they had a lead in the 2nd quarter. They scored a couple of contested 3 pointers and put a look in their faces like "ohhh, how tough I am". Then Argentina won the game, their antics stopped and their headbands ended on the floor. When their coach got mad and made adjustments, they started winning.
the 92 dream team was classy,all the way
these clowns just want the flashes(exept Billups)....
I reapet they are the best team (as individuals)in the world,but Basketball is a teamīs game,and needs to be taken seriusly.
Coze when you start facing the real guys that smile your gonna have to hide it where the sun dont shine.
Saturday is the semis. It's elimination round. It does not matter the record.
For example.. if for some strange phenomenom USA loses to PUR, USA loses the olympic berth. They would have to play next year in the last qualy.
So, if your team isn't playing for the Gold, you think they are not going to give their all? I would disagree. Judging but what I have seen of the Argentine team, they play their asses off no matter what because they want to win.I did.In that game you were the ones(and still are) that havent won in the international scenario for a while.
in that game for the 3rd place we were,and still are,the Olympics champs.
We couldnīt reach our goal(win the world cup)and just played for the finals stats,while you holded on to that game like it was for the gold medal.
But thatīs ok,I guess we just got diferent standards that world cup.
To me, winning is the ultimate standard.
Maybe he was fouled or something was said.It's not that...it's the things they do after a dunk or a block, they seem to be more concerned about the cameras than the actual play. Lebron dunked on LoGrippo and stared at him like he was badass. Why? I don't know, I guess that your majesty got upset because some unknown Argie dared to contest his dunk. And the next play was hilarious, Lebron was guarding LoGrippo, who is the most unathletic player in the world, and yet he scored a layup and got the foul just with good footwork and fundamentals. LoGrippo just smiled and made his free throws.
You act like it was every player doing it after every play and that is just not the case. I have seen plenty of stares from non-US players but hear nothing about that.
I saw Scola push Kobe, Delfino elbow Billups and plenty of hacks and trash talk from the guys in blue.
Why is that ok for them but not for US players? Why is the same thing done by others ignored but pointed out if done by the US team? Is it because they are American? or Black? Or Rich??
Again...double standard anyone?
So you can't have fun?I reapet they are the best team (as individuals)in the world,but Basketball is a teamīs game,and needs to be taken seriusly.
Coze when you start facing the real guys that smile your gonna have to hide it where the sun dont shine.
What makes you think the US is not taking this seriously? They looked pretty serious last night.
yeap,they wouldnīt even get to 100 pts vs Arg C team.
Don't play the racial card on me...you are going the wrong way there...
And don't come with like that. The game got physical at one point, and I think that's what some of the US players didn't like. They were coasting to a dunk contest in the previous games and here they got fouled many times in their way to rim. I guess that got in their heads. Like Carmelo...who after his dunk he shouted "I owe them one". No you don't, you owe one to the team that beat you in 2004, not this one. And like someone cares...haha, enough of this. Real games are on Saturday, good luck with Puerto Rico (you won't need it, but just to be sure...I really, really, dislike the PR players at ude).
Irrelevant, they still won.yeap,they wouldnīt even get to 100 pts vs Arg C team.
Don't know about you, but to me, winning is what matters most.
Right before that dunk he got leveled out by a screen on the def. end.Don't play the racial card on me...you are going the wrong way there...
And don't come with like that. The game got physical at one point, and I think that's what some of the US players didn't like. They were coasting to a dunk contest in the previous games and here they got fouled many times in their way to rim. I guess that got in their heads. Like Carmelo...who after his dunk he shouted "I owe them one"
Funny considering the Argentina head coach was the one who commented afterwards that the game was too physical for his team.
Look... to me is just waaaay too significant that this US team is pulling all these "street basketball" tricks and manners against Argentina (i.e: Kidd's board assist, Kobe's nodding after his plays, Lebronze's staring at poor LoGrippo after a dunk...). It's just they know Argentina is the reigning champion and they want to take that back. They are the better team (individually or as team, I don't care, they are better).
To compare USA basketball to Argentina's is just ridiculous.
I mean, I can be a "patriotic" if I want to, but just for fun. Some guys here are probably too young and have no idea that argentine NTs were finishing 8th or worse in international compe ions prior to this golden era.
This does not mean we cannot keep as a strong basketball nation for some time, but it's going to be hard to be the best team and to even keep it close to a USA team.
Yes, Manu, Nocioni, Herrmann, Oberto, and some others playing in Europe that did not participate here would make much difference.
Look, all I want is to be better than Brazil. That's our real goal
Tomorrow is the important game. Last night was just a "debut" for most of the guys, aside from Scola, Delfino, Prigioni (how may TO did he had?)... most likely the rest were a little intimidated by playing "the NBA stars". It happened to Manu once for sure.
or you'll what?And don't come with like that.
I am not saying things were not said. I didn't see or hear Carmelo say that so I will take your word for it. If he did, then yes, that was unneccessary.
Physical play is fine but physicality within the course of the game is one thing and I have no problem with it. Getting physical just because you are getting beat is bush league, which is a problem I have with the NBA but that is another thread for another time.
My point still stands though. The US players are not the only who are talking trash, staring down, or celebrating after good plays, yet they are the only ones getting called out for it. That is a double standard.
If the US team wins, they are arrogant and they "were playing our C team" or "they were supposed to win". If another team wins a game its because of talent, heart and passion. Another double standard.
I have no problem giving respect to the winners. That is what you do in sports. It is a sign of good sportsmanship and win the US got beat in 2002, 2004 and last year, I was one of many here who gave credit where it was due. On those nights the US got beat, the other team was better. But respect goes both ways and it seems that too many people use their anti-US feelings as reasons to rip this basketball team who just just trying to succeed in international compe ion like anyone else. The US style is based on athleticism. So is Argentina's. Both are fun to watch. Neither is better than the other, they are just different. So to riducule one style for the sole reason of the color of that team's uniforms is ignorant. Argies got pissed when some fans here talked about them in 2004 (and rightfully so) so why shouldn't I defend my country's national team for the same reason?
Probably lost in translation...but taking it in context, what he meant is it was too athletic.
And if you don't believe me, just read any of the US players statements in the last 7 years of international basketball. The FIBA refs allow a lot more of contact in screens, box-outs and in the post than the NBA's.
FIBA Americas Tournament website
USA 91, Argentina 76
COACH MIKE KRZYZEWSKI , HEAD COACH USA
That was more of an international game tonight where you have to adjust. I think the physicality especially below the waist is something we haven't experienced here, that was good for us. We were a little bit sloppy in transition, I think we could have had five to 10 more fast breaks, you have to credit Argentina for getting back and making their stands. Overall I though our defense was good and we were ready to play, we have so much respect for Argentina, I thought our guys competed the whole 40 minutes as did they. We feel honored going in undefeated and playing Puerto Rico on Saturday afternoon.
You don't sound like a to me, sounds like you are proud of your country's NT. You should be. They have done a of a job this decade and deserve the accolades they receive.To compare USA basketball to Argentina's is just ridiculous.
I mean, I can be a "patriotic" if I want to, but just for fun. Some guys here are probably too young and have no idea that argentine NTs were finishing 8th or worse in international compe ions prior to this golden era.
This does not mean we cannot keep as a strong basketball nation for some time, but it's going to be hard to be the best team and to even keep it close to a USA team.
Oh wait...I thought all US BBall players and fans were arrogant and disrespectful.COACH MIKE KRZYZEWSKI , HEAD COACH USA
That was more of an international game tonight where you have to adjust. I think the physicality especially below the waist is something we haven't experienced here, that was good for us. We were a little bit sloppy in transition, I think we could have had five to 10 more fast breaks, you have to credit Argentina for getting back and making their stands. Overall I though our defense was good and we were ready to play, we have so much respect for Argentina, I thought our guys competed the whole 40 minutes as did they. We feel honored going in undefeated and playing Puerto Rico on Saturday afternoon
did I ever metion coach K???Oh wait...I thought all US BBall players and fans were arrogant and disrespectful.
ok,never mind jack.
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