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What, you mean like Johnny Moore?
Grow some nvts. You sound like a female (no offense to other females, of course).
Those comments were years ago. They were said in the heat of compe ion. During Parker's rookie year, he spoke with AJ about what Pop expects out of his point guards. Since then, AJ has admitted that Parker is hundreds of times better than he ever was.
The only one still whining and fretting over comments made more than a half decade ago is you.
What, you mean like Johnny Moore?
The hating on Avery is a little out of hand. He was a player who worked very hard to get better over his career. In the mid- 90's, maybe he was one of the reasons the Spurs couldn't get over the hump. But by 1999 he had worked himself into a pretty good point guard, who was able to hold his own against some other pretty good point guards.
The fact that he is now the coach of the Mavs has nothing to do with it. Don't you think he would rather have been the Spurs coach? Thankfully that job was filled. He took a great opportunity and has been a good coach. Of course I hate the Mavs and their owner, but Avery is a little off limits to me.
Point already made and it's "Johnny".
timvp vs. whottt arguments give me headaches.
If you're even going to try to attempt to argue Moore is more deserving than Silas based on stats, you're in deep trouble.
Hint: If you want to use stats, there are about 7-8 players who should get their numbers retired ahead of Manu.
And Silas' assist numbers are comparable with the league leaders for the era he played.
Only the most obtuse of Spur fans would ever argue that Bowen's number wasn't going to get retired.
This one is more like Pop, Peter Holt, David Robinson and reality vs. whottt
Good thing is that, now with Manu, Parker and Duncan's success, the bar for getting your jersey has been raised and guys who were backup quality PGs won't be getting their jersey retired by the Spurs ever again.
Exactly.
I've seen like twenty posters in this thread think that Bowen needed the bar lowered to get his jersey retired. Bowen's place in the history of the franchise is set in stone.
Bowen has moved past Moore, AJ, Elliott and probably Silas in terms of best Spurs of all-time. I'm as big of a Sean Elliott fan as anyone but Bowen surpassed Elliott this year.
Funny what opening the championship door does, right?
What's funny is listening to the same people who about AJ "arrogance" also (like the rest of us) about Beno's lack of desire and fire.
Don't you realize that the reason AJ stayed in the league all those years, and is the only sub-6-footer other than Calvin Murphy to play 1000 games, is because he had what everyone wishes Beno would have?
Would have been opened earlier if the Spurs had had a quality PG. We've seen how Parker can open up a D. Never saw that from Avery.
But but but how can you say that? Did you look at Bowen's stats compared to Elliott's?
Yeah, an NBA point guard has to be obnoxiously arrogant, overly self confident and self motivated to the point of being conceited. Show me an NBA point guard who doesn't have those three qualities and I'll show you a non-championship level point guard.
AJ had those three qualities. Parker has those three qualities.
AJ wasn't liked by the majority of Spurs fans when he played. He's liked even less now.
Parker has done all a 25-year-old French point guard could do and there is still a pretty big section of Spurs fans who don't like him. If there were a vote of a favorite player among Spurs fans, Parker would be lucky to finish third.
Point guards are rarely loved. Outside of the absolute greats at the position (Magic, maybe Stockton), the qualities that make a good NBA point guard also make them less popular.
So AJ wasn't a Hall of Fame point guard like Parker has the ability to be? That's not exactly a shocking revelation.
Which attainable PG would you rather the Spurs had rather than AJ?
Got it...
what is this based on? I don't think there's a poll out there that would have any other current player close to coming ahead of Parker to finish top 3 in a popularity contest.
Uh...if Beno's jersey was being retired...I'd be ing.
Don't you realize that the reason AJ stayed in the league all those years, and is the only sub-6-footer other than Calvin Murphy to play 1000 games, is because he had what everyone wishes Beno would have?
Doesn't mean I want his jersey retired.
And sucking with desire is still sucking.
Spoken like a man who's never been . . . ah, never mind.
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Who moved the should AJ's jersey be retired thread to the classics forum?
I was going to bump it.
For a second I thought he was going to go into another "mascot appeal" rant.
Check out that thread that was in the Spurs forum not too long ago asking for everyone's favorite player. Parker was listed out of the top five in most fans' list.
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