Bowen's reputation on display once again!!

[ClingingMars]

I didnt see a knee nor a kick. I saw two players trying to gain posesion of the ball and the legs of one getting tangled.

exactly

-Mars

[Findog]

Ever heard of Kermit Washington? He (as a member of the lakerturds) punched someone in the face and just about KILLED HIM. Remember your former coach Rudy T - that's who he punched? Look it up because it was the most brutal act ever done on a basketball court.

Kermit Washington was not a thug or a dirty player. The result was horrifying, but there's a bit of context missing from your post: 1) Washington was coming to the aid of a teammate involved in a fight, just as Rudy T was doing and 2) Washington had his back turned to Rudy T and sensed him approaching. He didn't know what his intentions were and responded in a most primal fashion. What made it so bad was that the punch connected while Tomjanovich was in motion, basically the locomotive train hitting a brick wall. If he had been standing still when the punch was thrown, the impact wouldn't have been so bad.

The don't leave the bench rule is designed to prevent such things from happening again. Washington was just trying to protect himself.

[Pero]

I saw 1 possible intentional punch (but I think accidental) to the nuts and maybe 1 intentional knee strike (again probably not intentional, but doesn't show very well), and definitely an oscar deserving flop from Paul. If anyone gets suspended over this it would be a joke.

[RonMexico]

I find it interesting that Bowen had his hands up, which usually means he knows he did something, and Paul had his hands clasped behind his back, which is typically a sign of guilt.

Yeah - I know... they were both trying to play innocent. What else can you expect from a nut-puncher and back-kicker?

[RonMexico]

No but if it his play was EXTREMELY bad, with his "reputation", don't you think he would AT LEAST foul out occasionally? i need to find his average fouls per game, pretty sure it's very low.

-Mars

Probability of Bruce Bowen fouling out in a standard game: 15% (rough estimate)

Probability of Bruce Bowen fouling out after Avery Johnson uses the term "bear hug": 100%

[RonMexico]

So because of your example of a questionable few minutes by one officiating crew, that means that Bowen's years of not being in foul trouble, despite his reputation as a dirty player, is because of bad officiating?

Oh, there's more than 1 bad officiating crew.

-The ever-popular Game 3 of the 2006 NBA Finals crew.

-Any crew in the past 3 years with Tim Donaghy on it.

-The Bennett-led crew that called a jump ball when Luke Walton's foot was out of bounds.

-The crew officiating the 2002 Lakers-Kings WCF Game 7.

-The Javie-led crew that gave Dirk 50 (24 FTA) against the Suns in Game 5 of the 2006 WCF.


There are plenty more... I'm saying this is an inept bunch on the whole.

[bobbyjoe]

And, if you knew where the speed traps were or had a good idea where to watch out for speed traps, you could still avoid getting speeding tickets.

My comparison is right to the point of what you've argued.

You've been implying that Bowen can't be as dirty as players that have actually been caught and suspended for being dirty.

Problem is that Bowen has worked hard to perfect a way where the dirty things that he does are hard to catch. And, he's built a reputation as a defender where officials and even the NBA gives him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, how did he not get suspended for kicking Ray Allen in the back? The majority of players in the league would have been. He's kicked a player in the face not once, but at least two times that I've seen do ented. It's multiple players in the league that claim he slides his foot under their feet on jumpers. And, video evidence supports it. Suspensions are not the only gauge of whether a player is dirty or not. Suspensions aren't even a main or primary factor in determining whether a player is dirty or not.

Exactly.

Spurs fan argument is akin to saying "because OJ Simpson was acquitted by a jury of his peers, he was obviously innocent of murder"

How does any Spurs fan argue with the video posted in this thread (not the Chris Paul video but the Bowens dirtiest hits one).

ALL those plays are accidents? Gimme a friggin break.

Bowen has absolutely honed his dirty techniques.

[bobbyjoe]

so where's all the suspensions and such before he perfected this so called dirty style you speak of?

How many times was John Stockton suspended for his style of play? I'm pretty sure it was zero.

Yet, it was pretty widely accepted in league circles that he was one of the dirtiest players in the NBA.

How about Danny Ainge? Any suspensions?

[JamStone]

Yet he has never been suspended. I guess because standing with your hands in the air and an innocent expression on your face isn't a rule violation.

I can't say it enough times. Not getting suspended doesn't mean a player isn't dirty. I'm going to leave it at that because you refuse to admit it.

No, that's my opinion completely. It does, however, fly in the face of your earlier claims that he's spent countless hours working on ways to perfect getting away with dirty play so that even people looking for it on videotape can't see it, or that he intentionally slides his feet under jump shooters.

Nice of you to misquote me. I never said Bruce "spent countless hours working on ways to perfect getting away with dirty play." I said he's worked hard to perfect it. He has. He's learned from experience what he can get away with and I'm sure he studies film on what officials will call.

And, there is plenty of videotape of Bruce doing dirty things.

But jump shooters land on defenders' feet all the time, but that's not important to you for the purposes of this discussion, nor is the fact that Ray Allen throws more elbows and punches at Bowen than he's ever gotten. To use your words, "It by no means excuses or justifies Bowen kicking Allen in his back." Was it stupid? Yep. Do I understand why Bowen finally got frustrated? Yep.

Out of curiosity, why do Ray Allen and Chris Paul get endless benefit of the doubt from you, despite their reputations, but Bowen doesn't get any because of his?

Since when do Ray Allen and Chris Paul get endless benefit of the doubt from me? Ray Allen definitely plays dirty. Chris Paul absolutely gets dirty. This thread is about Bruce Bowen. Don't assume . You, on the other hand, refuse to believe Bruce is one of the dirtiest players in the league based primarily on the fact he doesn't get suspended.

[CarefreeAZ]

[QUOTE=Obstructed_View]Yet he has never been suspended. I guess because standing with your hands in the air and an innocent expression on your face isn't a rule violation.


You should add to your user name. Obstructed/Ignorant view is more like it.

[Brutalis]

[QUOTE=CarefreeAZ]

Yet he has never been suspended. I guess because standing with your hands in the air and an innocent expression on your face isn't a rule violation.


You should add to your user name. Obstructed/Ignorant view is more like it.

You should delete yourself. Carefree is more like it.

[DazedAndConfused]

The irony of ObstructedView's username as applied to this thread is just too much.

[Brutalis]

The irony of ObstructedView's username as applied to this thread is just too much.

The irony is how you still think anything you say has substance.

[CarefreeAZ]

You should delete yourself. Carefree is more like it.

Brilliant reply. You don't want to mentally overdo it though. You may want to go take a nap/rest your brain so you can come up with some more zingers.

[O-Factor]

The irony of ObstructedView's username as applied to this thread is just too much.

Hey, just like your username suits you.

[O-Factor]

Yup, Bruce is the dirtiest player in the league. Thats why he's been suspended numerous times by a league office that hates it when the Spurs make it to the finals.

But I understand why non-spurs fans hate on Bruce. Jealousy.

[sabar]

Maybe I'm blind, but I didn't see a kick, knee, punch, or anything at all from any angle. The alleged punch looks accidental in the scuffle of trying to get a handle on the ball. There is no kick or a knee.

Big deal over nothing.

[KidCongo]

ima little ima little

that's all we can hear

[RonMexico]

All I know is that I would hate playing against a guy like Bowen and would get suspended everytime I played him.

[41times]

Just another typical kick/knee from Bowen to Paul followed by hands in the air and the "who me" look. Now i know where Timmy learned that from.

and as the above poster points out how he hates playing against guys like that because he would suspended or kicked out.......well that is exactly what Bowen and the Spurs want.

If Bowen can get one of the other teams better players mad enough to commit a technical or flagrant or lure him into a fight then great for the Spurs.

You don't think that the Spurs would love it if Chris Paul and Bowen both got thrown out!? Who would that give the advantage too....hmmmm let me guess. So do you think the Spurs will ever tell Bowen to "cool it" NO, why would they.

Here is how i would play it if i were an opposing team's coach. If i saw Bowen working my guy over i would subs ute my 10th or 11th best player to guard him and i would have that player tell him that if he does not cool it that i will take him down. I would have no problem sacraficing my 10th best player to take him down.

After all that is in essence what Bowen is doing. He is probably the 4th or 5th best player on the Spurs and usually he is harrassing the best or 2nd best player on another team. I would say that about equals it out. So beware Bruce, we are watching you.....

[Duncanoypi]

^and that 10th or 11th man will be ignored by Bowen.....

bowen to 10th man:"CHEAP!!!"

[Solid D]

Actually, Bruce Bowen is more valuable to the Spurs than sacrificing him in that way. He is an integral part to the Spurs' success as a team.

He's not a Steve Ott.

[monosylab1k]

I think Bowen is dirty as and a son of a , but I don't really see him doing anything all that bad to Paul. Why is this particular non-incident so controversial? If anything, Chris Paul's actions should be the ones under review.

[RonMexico]

Just another typical kick/knee from Bowen to Paul followed by hands in the air and the "who me" look. Now i know where Timmy learned that from.

and as the above poster points out how he hates playing against guys like that because he would suspended or kicked out.......well that is exactly what Bowen and the Spurs want.

If Bowen can get one of the other teams better players mad enough to commit a technical or flagrant or lure him into a fight then great for the Spurs.

You don't think that the Spurs would love it if Chris Paul and Bowen both got thrown out!? Who would that give the advantage too....hmmmm let me guess. So do you think the Spurs will ever tell Bowen to "cool it" NO, why would they.

Here is how i would play it if i were an opposing team's coach. If i saw Bowen working my guy over i would subs ute my 10th or 11th best player to guard him and i would have that player tell him that if he does not cool it that i will take him down. I would have no problem sacraficing my 10th best player to take him down.

After all that is in essence what Bowen is doing. He is probably the 4th or 5th best player on the Spurs and usually he is harrassing the best or 2nd best player on another team. I would say that about equals it out. So beware Bruce, we are watching you.....

So now we know what Jon Chaney's been up to since he retired...

But he's right... because I would be that 11th guy.

[monosylab1k]

Also, props to Paul on being able to get pissy over nothing but still have the composure to pull an epic flop as soon as he saw Bowen's knee get close to his head. He whips his head back like he just got blasted in the face by a Desert Eagle.