2020 Dem primaries discussion thread

[vy65]

If they truly wanted to rig it for Biden, Bloomberg wouldn't have still been in the race siphoning votes from him. The assumption that Warren was there to steal votes from Bernie is not supported by polling that shows Warren voters were more likely to choose a moderate as their second choice than Bernie. I didn't see any overtly anti-Sanders ads or campaigns leading up to Super Tuesday.

There's no doubt they had a preference. But this wasn't like superdelegates going against the will of the people. It was put to a vote and the Bernie voters either didn't show up or they weren't as numerous as we thought. The DNC didn't have to rig anything.

Yah but conspiracy theory tho ...

[ChumpDumper]

So you don't think that those three dropping out the eve of Super Tuesday and all of the sudden backing Biden then the day after Bloomberg drops out and immed backs Biden?

Elena and Pete were out of money. Bloomer spent half a billion of his own money to win American Samoa. No conspiracy needed.

[Spurtacular]

Elana and Pete were out of money. Bloomer spent half a billion of his own money to win American Samoa. No conspiracy needed.

Neutered Chump going hack mode.

[Spurtacular]

[Reck]

So you don't think that those three dropping out the eve of Super Tuesday and all of the sudden backing Biden then the day after Bloomberg drops out and immed backs Biden? I'm not saying that Bernie would have won. I just find the timing of everything very odd. That's all I'm trying to say. They are giving that moron Trump more ammo when shady looking stuff like this happens the way it did.

I don’t think you’re wrong for thinking this looks orchestrated at all but to immediately jump to conspiracy theories is a stretch. Candidates drop and endorse other candidates all the time. Warren had that choice too.

The DNC is not this competent to pull this off. And no one knew Biden would win anything after he was basically left for dead. Was the plan to have Biden purposefully lose the first 3 contests, add another useless dynamic into the race in Bloomberg, risk splitting more votes thus freeing up Bernie, have Bloomberg do ty, drop out and then endorse Biden?

Isn’t it more likely that things just lined up perfectly starting with SC and the only viable person to beat Bernie became Biden?

[ChumpDumper]

And then the progressive candidate most capable of hurting Bernie conveniently gets Super PAC money and conveniently chooses not to drop out before Super Tuesday.

I can kind of see Warren's blocking Bernie out of spite, but she had to take out some loans to keep going. Doesn't really fit the conspiracy.

[ChumpDumper]

I don’t think you’re wrong for thinking this looks orchestrated at all but to immediately jump to conspiracy theories is a stretch. Candidates drop and endorse other candidates all the time. Warren had that choice too.

The DNC is not this competent to pull this off. And no one knew Biden would win anything after he was basically left for dead. Was the plan to have Biden purposefully lose the first 3 contests, add another useless dynamic into the race in Bloomberg, risk splitting more votes thus freeing up Bernie, have Bloomberg do ty, drop out and then endorse Biden?

Isn’t it more likely that things just lined up perfectly starting with SC and the only viable person to beat Bernie became Biden?

Not giving a until SC was Biden's strategy all along and it worked to near-perfection.

[Spurtacular]

I don’t think you’re wrong for thinking this looks orchestrated at all but to immediately jump to conspiracy theories is a stretch.

Tranny taking stupid cues from his chump daddy.

[vy65]

I can kind of see Warren's blocking Bernie out of spite, but she had to take out some loans to keep going. Doesn't really fit the conspiracy.

In a convention fight between Sanders and a more moderate candidate, some Democrats suggest Warren’s role would be to emerge as a consensus alternative: liberal enough for Sanders’ supporters and tolerable for moderates as well.

https://apnews.com/f29d4702b7a5f1a4d63489afcbef19eb

[Trainwreck2100]

So you don't think that those three dropping out the eve of Super Tuesday and all of the sudden backing Biden then the day after Bloomberg drops out and immed backs Biden? I'm not saying that Bernie would have won. I just find the timing of everything very odd. That's all I'm trying to say. They are giving that moron Trump more ammo when shady looking stuff like this happens the way it did.

The math was there if Bernie went against a split primary he would have gained a large enough lead that he would have ed everyone else. The ones that dropped weren't going to win anyway so they decided to go for cabinet positions

[Spurtacular]

TheGreatYacht

[Nathan89]

Bloomberg dropping out is just the last Mario kart speed boost for Biden. What a turnaround. The comeback kid

[Nathan89]

[LaMarcus Bryant]

And then the progressive candidate most capable of hurting Bernie conveniently gets Super PAC money and conveniently chooses not to drop out before Super Tuesday.

The claim that Warren voters are Bernie over Biden is false and misplaced. Try again.

[LaMarcus Bryant]

The young masses of people have failed Bernie Nation. 4-5 years and nothing. Same young % of voters as any other cycle.

[ChumpDumper]

The young masses of people have failed Bernie Nation. 4-5 years and nothing. Same young % of voters as any other cycle.

[Nathan89]

I love how Warren fans turn the complaints of others into an issue of sexism. The left deserves this bull . This is the bull culture they have cultivated.

[vy65]

The young masses of people have failed Bernie Nation. 4-5 years and nothing. Same young % of voters as any other cycle.

The claim that Warren voters are Bernie over Biden is false and misplaced. Try again.

Yesterday showed Bernie's gambit isn't going to work. Seems young peeps would rather spout conspiracy theories about the establishment rather than actually voting.

Doesn't this all beg the question of why doesn't Bernie bow out now? Like you said, Warren is situated to gather moderates as well as progressives - that's been her gambit. For all the Bernie Bros complaining about her not holding true to her ideals by refusing to bow out, can't the same be said of Bernie now that we know his strategy isn't going to work?

[rjv]

The Dems would be foolish to think that Texas is there for the taking in 2020. I'd pay more attention to the figures in the swing states. North Carolina (which Trump won in 2016 by 3.6%) had a turnout of 1,194,778 voters for the democrats and 798,773 for the republican (it is a semi-closed primary). Virginia only held a primary for the Democrats but they did have almost 1.3 million voters show up. The Midwest will be interesting to watch in seeing how many each party brings out, but especially in seeing how Biden fares in the key states of Ohio, Wisconsin and Michigan (it would not be a favorable sign for him if he loses some of these states to Sanders). Pennsylvania will also be big. Maybe Florida. Another interesting note. Much attention is being paid to how well Biden is doing with Black voters but not sure if anyone is noticing how poorly is doing with Latino voters.

[spurraider21]

Yesterday showed Bernie's gambit isn't going to work. Seems young peeps would rather spout conspiracy theories about the establishment rather than actually voting.

Doesn't this all beg the question of why doesn't Bernie bow out now? Like you said, Warren is situated to gather moderates as well as progressives - that's been her gambit. For all the Bernie Bros complaining about her not holding true to her ideals by refusing to bow out, can't the same be said of Bernie now that we know his strategy isn't going to work?

maybe both bernie and warren should drop out and endorse tulsi

[LaMarcus Bryant]

Doesn't this all beg the question of why doesn't Bernie bow out now? Like you said, Warren is situated to gather moderates as well as progressives - that's been her gambit. For all the Bernie Bros complaining about her not holding true to her ideals by refusing to bow out, can't the same be said of Bernie now that we know his strategy isn't going to work?

Old white egomaniac remains old white egomaniac, rinse and repeat.

[Nathan89]

Warren may very well be angling for VP on the Biden train. The absolute meltdown from her dropping out and supporting Biden would be glorious. Staying in longer may be her way of avoiding that action. Biden is a one term president (if elected) and he may not make it through that term. This is Warren's best path at this point.

[vy65]

Old white egomaniac remains old white egomaniac, rinse and repeat.

Sad but true

[hater]

Warren may very well be angling for VP on the Biden train. The absolute meltdown from her dropping out and supporting Biden would be glorious. Staying in longer may be her way of avoiding that action. Biden is a one term president (if elected) and he may not make it through that term. This is Warren's best path at this point.

agree

i dont totally hate pocahontas tbqh

[spurraider21]

Warren may very well be angling for VP on the Biden train. The absolute meltdown from her dropping out and supporting Biden would be glorious. Staying in longer may be her way of avoiding that action. Biden is a one term president (if elected) and he may not make it through that term. This is Warren's best path at this point.

that would be the best case scenario, tbh. biden committing to a one year term, endorsing warren 2024. warren's judgment when it comes to campaigning is pretty poor, but on messaging and policy she is on point