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    It's interesting that it's all quiet of the Evan turner front. I know the guy's stock is at an all time low, but he has reclamation project written all over him. Weren't the spurs interested at some point?

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    Sorry for the triple post, but I just saw that Ekpe Udoh is considering contenders and was going to sign with LAC before they re-signed Glen Davis. What would y'all think about getting Udoh if Baynes ends up going elsewhere?
    I like Ekpe. I watched him in college. He's a fouler. Spurs fans will hate him unless the team can suddenly turn him into something he's hasn't been since he was at Baylor. People worry about Baynes being too old to improve. Udoh is 27.

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    Do the Spurs still have the MLE and the BLE (sorry if I got the acronyms wrong)? Signing Matty and eventually signing back Baynes does not effect what we have left to spend, right?

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    NBA is d now that Love is a Cav!!
    All that defense being played by Lebron and none of his teammates.

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    Do the Spurs still have the MLE and the BLE (sorry if I got the acronyms wrong)? Signing Matty and eventually signing back Baynes does not effect what we have left to spend, right?
    The BAE, yessir

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    Yop, Love on the Cavs doesn't really improve their chances against SA/Meth. Even without him they had a solid chance of getting out of the East.

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    Yop, Love on the Cavs doesn't really improve their chances against SA/Meth. Even without him they had a solid chance of getting out of the East.
    Yep, having Love might get them a better record than Miami. Don't know that it helps them in the playoffs. At least we'll see a motivated Wiggins this year.

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    http://rubechat.kfan.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=279082

    Tspence found a new fanbase...lmao

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    And he gets a de-facto no-trade clause. Not a bad deal at all.
    It was a no-brainer for Seraphin. Meanwhile, Washington just gave 3.8M with a no-trade clause to a guy to be their 6th big.

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    Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine
    Just heard Bulls are indeed in process of finalizing deal to sign free-agent guard Aaron Brooks to add some scoring off the bench


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    I think that would be a pretty solid move from Chicago. They can also take a flier or two on some of the scoring guards in the summer league.

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    Brooks was very solid a few years back with Houston.

    Manu destroyed his career tbh

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    I think it depends on the cost. Moving Lee, Thompson and Barnes (unless Minny wants Thompson in place of Barnes) is a pretty high cost for a lateral move. Love is better than Lee but its no like Lee is a bad player. He is a good rebounder and passer and can put up 20 points without being the focal point of an offense. Barnes isn't that good but, i guess, still has potential. Green and Iggy make him expendable. Thompson is a two way player, that could probably be a top 10 scorer on a bad team right now.

    If Minny is offering Love and Martin, then that's still not enough to make it worthwhile for GSW. Martin is a lesser version of Thompson, who is currently making more and is under contract for another season after next for $7+ million.

    If its just Lee and Barnes (and maybe a future 1st rounder) for Love then thats a trade than makes sense for GSW. They get Love to pair with Curry in P&Rs, keep Thompson and have Livingston as a 6th man off the bench.

    From what i've heard its probably going to be Bennett and Wiggins along with a first rounder next season for Love. If thats want Minny is willing to do ,then its better to get the deal done prior to training camp.
    The rumor last month was Thompson, Lee and a 1st for Love and Martin. The Warriors are flat out over thinking this. Leaving the '14 Spurs out of this, since they're virtually incomparable in at least the modern era and impossible to duplicate, you don't win in this league with good; you win with great. Not that either Love or Curry are Jordan, O'Neal, Duncan, James, etc., but they're as close as the Warriors can get to a star of that magnitude.

    I'd be surprised if the Cavs gave up all three of those things. I suspect they're willing to part with any two of those things, but not all three.

    From the Timberwolves perspective, if Saunders does what's best for the franchise and not himself, he trades Love to the Cavaliers.

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    The rumor last month was Thompson, Lee and a 1st for Love and Martin. The Warriors are flat out over thinking this. Leaving the '14 Spurs out of this, since they're virtually incomparable in at least the modern era and impossible to duplicate, you don't win in this league with good; you win with great. Not that either Love or Curry are Jordan, O'Neal, Duncan, James, etc., but they're as close as the Warriors can get to a star of that magnitude.

    I'd be surprised if the Cavs gave up all three of those things. I suspect they're willing to part with any two of those things, but not all three.

    From the Timberwolves perspective, if Saunders does what's best for the franchise and not himself, he trades Love to the Cavaliers.

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    The Minnesota Timberwolves and Cleveland Cavaliers have discussed a blockbuster trade centered on Kevin Love and the league's past two No. 1 draft picks, league sources told ESPN.


    In an attempt to add Love, a three-time All-Star, the Cavaliers are willing to part with Andrew Wiggins and Anthony Bennett .

    One source said the Cavs also are willing to give up a first-round draft pick for next season. Any other players involved in the talks are not known."



    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11...nthony-bennett

    It would be interesting to see if they would include Waiters to expand the deal to include Kevin Martin (A less outspoken personality and still a very productive player). Thats a very good deal ,either way, for the Wolves if it goes down.

    As Gold Standard mentioned that if Minny moves Love that it would make some sense to shop Pekovic (I think the Suns would be a great trade partner).

    Moving Pekovic to Phoenix for Alex Len, Suns 1st rounder in 2015, + Lakers (top 5 protected pick) 2015 pick.


    That would give the Wolves plenty of young prospects including Mohammed, Dieng, LaVine, Wiggins, Bennett & Len. Along with 4 first round picks next season.


    As for the Love to GSW deal, I understand you point but I still think that Love for Thompson and Lee is a lateral move

    Curry-Livingston-Iggy-Love-Bogut

    with Barnes-Green-Ezeli as their bench rotation

    Thompson is a very good two way player. He also ranked 7th in scoring amongst SGs. Keeping Thompson also allows for Livingston to come off the bench as their backup PG & SG.

    Lee posted 18 ppg and 9 rpg. They I think their trajectory is basically the same. If everything goes right, then they can challenge for home court in the first round and depending on the match up they can get to the second round.

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    Is anyone else a bit sad that Mavs were able to sign Rashard Lewis to a 1 year, $1.4M contract? I thought he was one of the few bright spots for the Heat in the Finals. I wouldn't mind getting him to replace Bonner at all, especially at that contract. He's a solid defender and a good 3pt shooter, and he doesn't get shy on big occasions.

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    Is anyone else a bit sad that Mavs were able to sign Rashard Lewis to a 1 year, $1.4M contract? I thought he was one of the few bright spots for the Heat in the Finals. I wouldn't mind getting him to replace Bonner at all, especially at that contract. He's a solid defender and a good 3pt shooter, and he doesn't get shy on big occasions.
    Ehh, considering we got Bonner for the vet min and he already knows the system inside and out, I'm perfectly fine with keeping him over Rashard.

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    Ehh, considering we got Bonner for the vet min and he already knows the system inside and out, I'm perfectly fine with keeping him over Rashard.
    Yeah that is very true, but Rashard hit more threes in those finals than Bonner has hit in any series I believe lol. I look at his playoff stats, he sucks honestly. I know he helped out in game 5 vs OKC spreading the floor as usual but honestly in the playoffs he sucks if you look at his % and there is no way around it. He has had a series or two since he has been here but overall he sucks in the playoffs, can't hit the broad side of the damn barn. We got him for the vet minimum though and his role the last two years IS ALOT less THANK GOD! He only plays his little role here or there now, which is a gift honestly. Good signing for the vet minimum.

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    Rashard's $1.4M is the vet min

    Same price as Bonner. Probably a shorter contract too.

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    Lewis is off the market. What's the point of talking about replacing Bonner with him?

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    Turner, Marion, Nelson, Blatche, Scott, Aminu, and Udoh still on the market. Thinking these players can be valuable and be had for cheap.

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    I completely forgot about Blatche. Despite his mind-lapses, he's an incredibly good offensive big man and I am really surprised he has not been signed.

    For some MLE type money he is not a bad option at all. Would be surprised to see HOU nab him.
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    It would be interesting to see if they would include Waiters to expand the deal to include Kevin Martin (A less outspoken personality and still a very productive player). Thats a very good deal ,either way, for the Wolves if it goes down.

    As Gold Standard mentioned that if Minny moves Love that it would make some sense to shop Pekovic (I think the Suns would be a great trade partner).

    Moving Pekovic to Phoenix for Alex Len, Suns 1st rounder in 2015, + Lakers (top 5 protected pick) 2015 pick.


    That would give the Wolves plenty of young prospects including Mohammed, Dieng, LaVine, Wiggins, Bennett & Len. Along with 4 first round picks next season.


    As for the Love to GSW deal, I understand you point but I still think that Love for Thompson and Lee is a lateral move

    Curry-Livingston-Iggy-Love-Bogut

    with Barnes-Green-Ezeli as their bench rotation

    Thompson is a very good two way player. He also ranked 7th in scoring amongst SGs. Keeping Thompson also allows for Livingston to come off the bench as their backup PG & SG.

    Lee posted 18 ppg and 9 rpg. They I think their trajectory is basically the same. If everything goes right, then they can challenge for home court in the first round and depending on the match up they can get to the second round.
    I saw the article. What I'm saying is, I don't get that they'll trade Wiggins, Bennett and a 1st for Love, out of that; I get that they're willing to trade any of those things, but not all three together.

    Yeah, I'd definitely trade Pekovic next, for the type of package Gold Standard or you came up with. They need to completely start over.

    I see no argument for Lee and Thompson for Love and Martin (who'd start; keeping Livingston as the third guard) being a lateral move for the Warriors. You're putting too much stock in Lee and Thompson's raw numbers and underrating Love.

    Love's PER was 26.9 last season; that's rarefied air. We're talking about a definitive top ten and arguably top five player. Thompson is not in the top thirty and won't ever be in the top twenty.

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    I completely forgot about Blatche. Despite his mind-lapses, he's an incredibly good offensive big man and I am really surprised he has not been signed.

    For some MLE type money he is not a bad option at all. Would be surprised to see HOU nab him.
    I'm thinking Houston goes after him, Jameer Nelson & Marion to fill the voids left by shipping out Asik and Lin.

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    I'm thinking Houston goes after him, Jameer Nelson & Marion to fill the voids left by shipping out Asik and Lin.

    Houston is not going to sign Nelson, they just signed Ish Smith as their 3rd pg.

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    I saw the article. What I'm saying is, I don't get that they'll trade Wiggins, Bennett and a 1st for Love, out of that; I get that they're willing to trade any of those things, but not all three together.

    Yeah, I'd definitely trade Pekovic next, for the type of package Gold Standard or you came up with. They need to completely start over.

    I see no argument for Lee and Thompson for Love and Martin (who'd start; keeping Livingston as the third guard) being a lateral move for the Warriors. You're putting too much stock in Lee and Thompson's raw numbers and underrating Love.

    Love's PER was 26.9 last season; that's rarefied air. We're talking about a definitive top ten and arguably top five player. Thompson is not in the top thirty and won't ever be in the top twenty.
    The Wolves are trying to get as much as they can get while they are in the drivers seat, and that makes sense, but eventually the longer this takes, they will come to a point that that is not going to be possible.
    So it will be a fine line before they pull the trigger on a trade. If Minn moves too quick, they don't get as much as they should get for Love, but if they wait too long, the same will be true, and in both those scenarios their FO gets fired. Minn is walking a tightrope IMHO.

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