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It’s funny because it was Troy Weaver who with DET traded Bey and then he goes to WAS and pays him as a FA.
Can we get Luke Kennard?
It’s funny because it was Troy Weaver who with DET traded Bey and then he goes to WAS and pays him as a FA.
I feel sorry for Wiz fans. They go straight from the frying pan into the inept Troy Weaver fire.
He also took over a moribund Celtics franchise and put together the Garnett, Pierce , Allen and Rondo team that won a le and played in another finals. He was such a good GM that even Doc Rivers couldn’t screw it up. And once that core aged out he was quick to move it into the current iteration in one of the best pivots in league history. He may be difficult to work with and god i couldn’t stand him as a player, but he’s not in the business of making friends with other league executives. How many GMs in the league are better than him?
I caught some of Utah in summer league last night. They have a lot of young talent. Kessler, Hendricks, George, Sensabaugh, Williams, Collier and Filipowski. He’s going to eventually hit on one of these guys and build a contender there, or roll them and picks into some stars. His biggest problem right now is that Markkenan turned out better than anyone thought and it’s preventing them from truly bottoming out. But I like Utahs future a lot better than most teams in the league.
True on forming the Boston team. Utah looks harder. It's not a destination and the players he has right now are passable at best. I only watched that amazingly awful and fun game against Memphis. I wouldn't be surprised if not a single one of those players plans out as even a starter, except for Kessler. Seem like a lot of Romeo Langford types. He really needs to hit hard with this next draft or they're going to be lost in the desert for much longer.
I wouldn't feel bad for Wiz fans. Time will tell but I think their front office is very promising given that they're basically OKC East. Winger, Dawkins, and Weaver were all working under Presti in OKC and Schlenk was in Golden State before becoming the GM of a fairly successful Hawks team before the owner's son forced the DJ trade. They have a very experienced front office that I believe will be successful as long as it pulls in the same direction. Also, 3 years $20M is a good contract if Bey can play like he did two seasons ago.
He also pulled off the trades for Allen and Garnett. His trades for IT and then Kyrie were also both very good. Don’t forget markkanen was acquired in the Mitc trade as well
Their lead decision maker, Winger, is a (surprise) white guy, so if they go on to have success at some point during this regime, he'll receive the majority of the credit.
If they go on to be abject failures, Dawkins and Weaver, blacks guys, will receive the majority of the criticism . . . and it won't have anything to do with race, because it never does.
I don't see a problem with what the Wizards have done. They got Vucevic, who can provide structure to help Sarr and the forwards play and grow into their natural positions. The Bey pickup is relatively cheap and they needed to make salary anyway. They drafted bright, interesting young players. I think they could have done more to squeeze assets out of their space, but neither Detroit nor Utah have done so, either. Only the Spurs have, and that was a pretty special case.
Vuc is still a bull. Wizards got Big Daddy Val.
Right, that one.
Easy mistake to make. They’re virtually the same player, down to being drafted the same year,2011. Huge skilled Euro bigs who can be offensive hubs when needed. One shoots career .348 from 3, the other .341. Interestingly, the one drafted later earned more honors, including two all star nods.
Vucevic was a tier above at his peak.
He was an offensive hub, Valanciunas never was.
He's just a traditional post-scorer and rebounder.
3pt can't be compared because JV has just one season with more than 2 attempts, while Vucevic went as high as 6.5 attempts.
JV is a slightly better defender, but that's all he's got going for him in comparison to Vucevic.
And obviously Vucci Mane is one of the best nicknames in the league.
They pulled the QO. So unristricted.
Big Daddy also has his ownership stake in the San Antonio Spurs going for him. Just one of those guys who always finds a way to have his best days against us.
From what I recall, Winger is more of a lawyer/agent and not as much of a basketball guy as the others. He's probably the right guy to run all of the Washington basketball businesses like RC does, but I definitely think Dawkins is the day-to-day decision maker for the Wizards. Although given how familiar they are with each other, I imagine it's a very collaborative process as it seems to be with the Spurs. Anyone who casts the majority of praise or blame to specific en ies is most likely wrong.
Jeeze that is a discount but also evidence Vassell is overpaid.
I like how some spurs fans systematically trash other front offices when the only recent thing you can really credit PATFO for is lucking into Wemby...
As I and other already said, imagine we got Scoot instead, where would we be now?
But hey, we added two washed up vets who will probably be gone the next deadline to "mentor" our core which isn't actually one and picked another guard who can"t shoot when shooting is desperately needed in this team and today's NBA...
Last edited by JPB; 07-11-2024 at 11:38 AM.
Using Saddiq Bey as an example to say that Vassell is overpaid is …. kinda odd.
Not sure if I am remembering right, but I vaguely remember the Spurs thought of Jonas highly going into that draft. I thought I'd read at the time they were trying to trade up to draft him.
Edit : What type of player is Saddiq Bey? I don't think I remember even watching him play? Is he anything like Devin to make the comparisons to him?
Yeah, everything you're saying here about the Spurs FO is true, but you're not giving them credit for also being the highest paid in the league!
To me, it's the opposite. Too many people here will suck Presti and Ainge at any hour of the day instead of recognizing their mistakes or, you know, how Presti has done exactly what you said: luck into like four very high draft picks, not blowing them, lucking into SGA, and then never winning a championship. The constant sainthood of Presti given by Spurs fans is embarrassing.
The problem on the other side is the failure of these same fans to see the times the Spurs FO has generated things out of nothing, such as reviving the championship window by finding Gary Neal, drafting George Hill, trading him for Kawhi. Or picking very late and developing Kyle Anderson, Dejounte Murray, Derrick White, etc.
To me, it's people like you who blimp up every failure as if it's possible to be perfect in everything, disregard draft landscapes at various picks, other considerations like salary and so on. You'd rather just and whine as you ignore most every context and then do the opposite with your Boy Band posters on the wall in Ainge and Presti.
The truth is somewhere in between, you just don't realize it.
Pretty important anniversary for the Spurs.
Likewise, hopefully today we announce Bassey is coming home. Him and Duncan are about on the same level.
Houston added FFV and Brooks last year, and they jumped from 22 to 41 wins. There’s precedent for vet mentorship working.
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