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    Spurs stood pat when they lost in 2013 despite this deficiency and now you expect them to pick up someone after they won a le?
    I was very interested in Aminu. I am surprised if the Spurs had no interest in him and I thought the main reason would be that he would want at least half the MLE, which I wouldn't have wanted to give him. I thought that for the BAE he might be a good signing, but didn't think he'd take that. It looks like he took even less money from Dallas.

    What the F are the Spurs doing with Jeff Ayres and Austin Daye?

    RC said last off-season he knows that they have a bit of a hole at backup SF. It's been over a year and he still hasn't filled it. What in the is he doing? Surely he doesn't think they can just keep doing what they did last season and have smaller/undersized players fill in all the time, does he? There's match-ups where a true SF backup might/will be needed.

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    I was very interested in Aminu. I am surprised if the Spurs had no interest in him and I thought the main reason would be that he would want at least half the MLE, which I wouldn't have wanted to give him. I thought that for the BAE he might be a good signing, but didn't think he'd take that. It looks like he took even less money from Dallas.

    What the F are the Spurs doing with Jeff Ayres and Austin Daye?

    RC said last off-season he knows that they have a bit of a hole at backup SF. It's been over a year and he still hasn't filled it. What in the is he doing? Surely he doesn't think they can just keep doing what they did last season and have smaller/undersized players fill in all the time, does he? There's match-ups where a true SF backup might/will be needed.
    back to back finals trips gives RC reason to keep it the same way and roll the dice.

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    Remember the deadline last year when we were all pissed the Spurs didn't make a move?

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    cd021, I can't see the Cavs making that first trade unless Dieng is included and the second one, I can't see them making even if Dieng is included.

    I don't think Love is quite as good as his production suggests either and I agree that a truly great should should be able to drag just about any team into the playoffs, at least once, even in the West. But at the same time, he has not had a good supporting cast. None of Pekovic, Martin or Rubio are stars and beyond them, they haven't had anything resembling an adequate bench.

    I'm not saying Thompson isn't valuable, but again, for Love it's a no brainer to give him up.

    If the Timberwolves really are willing to take this until the trade deadline (which looks increasingly unlikely), as I said, if I were the Cavs, I'd wait. But ultimately, if Wiggins has to be included, so be it. James' prime is dwindling, their current roster doesn't time well with it and their front line isn't nearly good enough.

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    Remember the deadline last year when we were all pissed the Spurs didn't make a move?
    Yup, i was on that espn trade machine quite abit. Great that things turned out well despite lol.

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    if we had just dumped Daye when we could have, the Marion signing would have made all the sense in the world... then again i'd be pleasantly surprised if the FO actually waived Ayres and Daye. its not like them to bite the bullet though

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    Ayres is a Spur for life.. He'll end up getting signed again next year for 5 mil or something silly like that

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    Wasn't today the last day the Spurs could rescind their QO for Baynes? Looks like they will keep the QO on the table.

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    I wouldn't be shocked if Spurs agree with Shawn Marion soon...

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    Marion, Scott, Blatche, Okafor, Ayon, Udoh, Cunningham, and Baynes are without contracts yet Ayres has a job. Such is life

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    I was very interested in Aminu. I am surprised if the Spurs had no interest in him and I thought the main reason would be that he would want at least half the MLE, which I wouldn't have wanted to give him. I thought that for the BAE he might be a good signing, but didn't think he'd take that. It looks like he took even less money from Dallas.

    What the F are the Spurs doing with Jeff Ayres and Austin Daye?

    RC said last off-season he knows that they have a bit of a hole at backup SF. It's been over a year and he still hasn't filled it. What in the is he doing? Surely he doesn't think they can just keep doing what they did last season and have smaller/undersized players fill in all the time, does he? There's match-ups where a true SF backup might/will be needed.
    Aminu can't shoot, ergo he can't play the 3 for the Spurs. Same goes for Mbah a Moute. We haven't pursued these guys because they would be u playable in the Spurs system.

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    I was very interested in Aminu. I am surprised if the Spurs had no interest in him and I thought the main reason would be that he would want at least half the MLE, which I wouldn't have wanted to give him. I thought that for the BAE he might be a good signing, but didn't think he'd take that. It looks like he took even less money from Dallas.

    What the F are the Spurs doing with Jeff Ayres and Austin Daye?

    RC said last off-season he knows that they have a bit of a hole at backup SF. It's been over a year and he still hasn't filled it. What in the is he doing? Surely he doesn't think they can just keep doing what they did last season and have smaller/undersized players fill in all the time, does he? There's match-ups where a true SF backup might/will be needed.
    Daye and Anderson will be looked at as the backup SF. And that isn't bad at all. You just can't have hall of famers at very backup spot.
    I think the improvement we saw out of patty this past year could ring true with Daye. The comfort level in our system does seem to be a big factor.
    Amount is NOT an upgrade over either of these two. And neither is Marion at this point in his career. And it isn't like we will be asking for big minutes out of those two. But I believe both could play off ginobli rather well in the second unit.

    So in short I don't think there is a hole there anymore.

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    Aminu can't shoot, ergo he can't play the 3 for the Spurs. Same goes for Mbah a Moute. We haven't pursued these guys because they would be u playable in the Spurs system.
    These Aminu fans are banking on Engelland improving his jump shot, which is a fair point. You say the Spurs pursue three-point shooters and that non-shooters are unplayable in the Spurs' system, but Leonard was a poor shooter in college (31%). Maybe these Aminu hopefuls are wishing for the same kind of transformation, which is valid too since the kid is just 24. Can say the Spurs chased Leonard because of his defense but Aminu has that too.

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    Aminu can't shoot, ergo he can't play the 3 for the Spurs. Same goes for Mbah a Moute. We haven't pursued these guys because they would be u playable in the Spurs system.
    Was Leonard a great shooter when he first came here? Aminu is still young. I also figured Chip might be able to do something with him to help him improve his shot. If the Spurs weren't interested in him at all (even for a contract as cheap as he got), then I assume they don't think much of his bbiq, or Chip must think they can't do anything with his shot?

    Daye and Anderson will be looked at as the backup SF. And that isn't bad at all. You just can't have hall of famers at very backup spot.
    I think the improvement we saw out of patty this past year could ring true with Daye. The comfort level in our system does seem to be a big factor.
    Amount is NOT an upgrade over either of these two. And neither is Marion at this point in his career. And it isn't like we will be asking for big minutes out of those two. But I believe both could play off ginobli rather well in the second unit.

    So in short I don't think there is a hole there anymore.

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    Where exactly did I mention hall of fame players? I said the name Aminu, does that sound like me demanding hall of fame players at every position?

    And the main reason I want a backup SF (a true backup small forward), is for defense. What the F is Daye and Anderson going to do against someone like Kevin Durant or Lebron James (apart from get wrecked defensively) if they had to check someone of that caliber?

    These Aminu fans are banking on Engelland improving his jump shot, which is a fair point. You say the Spurs pursue three-point shooters and that non-shooters are unplayable in the Spurs' system, but Leonard was a poor shooter in college (31%). Maybe these Aminu hopefuls are wishing for the same kind of transformation, which is valid too since the kid is just 24. Can say the Spurs chased Leonard because of his defense but Aminu has that too.
    Main reason I was interested in Aminu was as a backup SF/PF that can rebound and play defense. Spurs don't have very good defenders behind Kawhi at SF IMO. I'd like someone that is decent defensively that can backup Kawhi (in case of foul trouble). Could Diaw be getting in better shape and lose more weight this off-season to be able to play some minutes at backup SF?

    I don't have much confidence in Daye or Anderson providing any kind of adequate defense if they had to defend any of the top SFs in the NBA.

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    These Aminu fans are banking on Engelland improving his jump shot, which is a fair point. You say the Spurs pursue three-point shooters and that non-shooters are unplayable in the Spurs' system, but Leonard was a poor shooter in college (31%). Maybe these Aminu hopefuls are wishing for the same kind of transformation, which is valid too since the kid is just 24. Can say the Spurs chased Leonard because of his defense but Aminu has that too.
    Was Leonard a great shooter when he first came here? Aminu is still young. I also figured Chip might be able to do something with him to help him improve his shot. If the Spurs weren't interested in him at all (even for a contract as cheap as he got), then I assume they don't think much of his bbiq, or Chip must think they can't do anything with his shot?
    I think its exactly that. Chip isn't a magician, he can't turn any player in to a good, or even average 3 point shooter. The Spurs targeted Kawhi because his shot was easily fixable, Leonard himself has said that pretty much the only thing they changed was his release point.

    Chip also might be the best, but he is not the only good shooting coach in the league. These players have been in the league for a long time on multiple teams and have shown no improvement in shooting. That's a big red flag that the shot isn't fixable.

    Give it a couple years and this forum will want us to throw money at MKG because Chip will be able to turn him in to a great shooter. Not going to happen with Aminu or many others, not everyone can be a shooter.

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    Supposedly, MKG actually does have a better shot nowadays.

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    Supposedly, MKG actually does have a better shot nowadays.
    Let's hope so


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    I think its exactly that. Chip isn't a magician, he can't turn any player in to a good, or even average 3 point shooter. The Spurs targeted Kawhi because his shot was easily fixable, Leonard himself has said that pretty much the only thing they changed was his release point.

    Chip also might be the best, but he is not the only good shooting coach in the league. These players have been in the league for a long time on multiple teams and have shown no improvement in shooting. That's a big red flag that the shot isn't fixable.

    Give it a couple years and this forum will want us to throw money at MKG because Chip will be able to turn him in to a great shooter. Not going to happen with Aminu or many others, not everyone can be a shooter.
    I didn't say Chip is a magician that can turn him into a great shooter. All I said was that Chip might be able to help him improve his shot. That's all. I know it's not easy to just turn anyone into a good shooter (even with a great shooting coach). I'm a shooter myself, and I had a feel for shooting from the get go. It'd be very hard to turn someone into a shooter that couldn't shoot for their whole careers, but there is some instances where it has happened and there's more of a chance to do it when you're younger. The older the player gets, the harder it is to change the way they shoot the ball imo. People can definitely improve their shooting, but more often than not, it's tough to turn a guy that's been a shooter for his whole career into a good one. No need to tell me that.

    I also don't mind players having unorthodox shooting methods if you can make a high percentage of your shots. Reggie Miller is an example of that. In the recent threads on Shawn Marion, I've been getting on him about his shooting style, but that is mainly because I think it's too unorthodox and you can't get it off with great accuracy in some situations. Miller seemed to be able to get his shot off in any situation.

    What about my other point? I was mainly looking at Aminu for defensive purposes. You don't seem to have an opinion on that. I wasn't looking at him because I thought Chip could turn him into a great shooter.

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    Supposedly, MKG actually does have a better shot nowadays.
    He supposedly has an incredible work ethic but there was a video released of him recently and it still looked horrible.

    That's not to say he'll always be terrible, Marion's shot is hideous and he had some seasons at the league average from downtown, but I'll be surprised if he ever becomes a good shooter.

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    When did Aminu get the reputation of being anything other than an average defender?

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    I didn't say Chip is a magician that can turn him into a great shooter. All I said was that Chip might be able to help him improve his shot. That's all. I know it's not easy to just turn anyone into a good shooter (even with a great shooting coach). I'm a shooter myself, and I had a feel for shooting from the get go. It'd be very hard to turn someone into a shooter that couldn't shoot for their whole careers, but there is some instances where it has happened and there's more of a chance to do it when you're younger. The older the player gets, the harder it is to change the way they shoot the ball imo. People can definitely improve their shooting, but more often than not, it's tough to turn a guy that's been a shooter for his whole career into a good one. No need to tell me that.

    I also don't mind players having unorthodox shooting methods if you can make a high percentage of your shots. Reggie Miller is an example of that. In the recent threads on Shawn Marion, I've been getting on him about his shooting style, but that is mainly because I think it's too unorthodox and you can't get it off with great accuracy in some situations. Miller seemed to be able to get his shot off in any situation.

    What about my other point? I was mainly looking at Aminu for defensive purposes. You don't seem to have an opinion on that. I wasn't looking at him because I thought Chip could turn him into a great shooter.
    If you can't shoot in today's league, everything elseyou bring is nearly worthless. We showed that by sweeping Memphis, Tony Allen is as good as you get defensively but if you can't keep defenders honest you'll be a net negative for your team.

    They can be very useful in the regular season I'll concede that, but when you play the same team over and over in a playoff series, those kinds of weaknesses get exploited and cost you. For a team with Championship aspirations, those weaknesses are too much.

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    i guess they're confident in Kyle Anderson and Austin Daye
    Actually, more like they're confident in the swing rotation that ran out last year - Kawhi, Green, Manu, and Beli.

    Anderson and Daye will only play significant minutes to cover injuries... for that reason I was hoping we would have Aminu (Chip can teach anyone to shoot better... how much better is the question) or Marion or another vet to cover, especially since Manu is 36 and might play the summer with a fractured leg. I guess the FO has sufficient faith in Daye tp make him the 5th wing, because Anderson looks very young (I love his potential, but to expect much from him this coming season would be unfair).

    Marion, Scott, Blatche, Okafor, Ayon, Udoh, Cunningham, and Baynes are without contracts yet Ayres has a job. Such is life
    Yuuuup.

    These Aminu fans are banking on Engelland improving his jump shot, which is a fair point. You say the Spurs pursue three-point shooters and that non-shooters are unplayable in the Spurs' system, but Leonard was a poor shooter in college (31%). Maybe these Aminu hopefuls are wishing for the same kind of transformation, which is valid too since the kid is just 24. Can say the Spurs chased Leonard because of his defense but Aminu has that too.
    Chip has vastly improved the shooting of so many players over his career that I certainly thought Aminu would be worth a shot at reclamation, as obviously do many other people around here.

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    Jesus Christ, my shoulders hurt just looking at that.

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    The first time I saw that, I almost fell out of my chair.

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