In a lot of cases, timing plays almost as much of a part in how guys get paid as the players' actual value.
How much did TD re-sign for? I think it was a shorter term contract with the Spurs, wasn't it?
Also, didn't Shaq get offered double that to go to the Lakers? I didn't realize the Magic's offer was that low, or was that the max they could give him at the time?
Spotrac says it was 3/$32MM
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_/id/2703/tim-duncan
The way it generally works in terms of decision making hierarchy is: (meddlesome) owner > POBO > GM > head coach.
GM is often charged with doing much of the leg work, but the buck doesn't stop at them. At best, they're in an organization where it's a collaborative approach, not a dictatorship.
Absolutely true . . . but show me a successful front office and I'll show you a lucky one.
Presti is hailed as a genius again because Gilgeous-Alexander unexpectedly zoomed way past All-Star to MVP caliber, Holmgren fell to 2 (because the Magic had needed an offensive centerpiece for 18 years since McGrady) and they struck gold with Williams. Never mind that they swung and missed on a bunch of other lottery and top 20 picks.
It's a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately world, and we (fans) should evaluate front offices based not on how well they manage a cap or deliver profit for their owners (the owners can do that), but by the product they put on the court. Likewise, while all-time rankings are important - they aren't how we should just FO's in the moment. Tim Duncan is one of the greatest of all time, but he wasn't a Top player in his final year. Likewise, PATFO and Ainge may have a long history of success but they ain't done lately except tear their teams down (Ainge is behind PATFO in this regard, and is missing opportunities to do what he needs to). Pop and RC are all-timers, but it doesn't mean that they're good at their jobs today.
I feel like most NBA fans overreact. Everything is either amazing or garbage with nothing inbetween.
Presti definitely lucked into SGA trade because Kawhi demanded PG.
He also had some really questionable drafts.
But you can't deny that his turnaround was amazing after losing KD.
Got Oladipo for cheap and drafted Sabonis, then traded them for PG.
It's not like PG fell into his lap, it was a process.
Then cashed in on declining Russ and got CP3 in the process.
Traded CP3 away a year later for some more pieces.
Dort is an undrafted all-defense player, Wiggins and Joe were second round picks.
Drafted Giddey in hope he'll develop a jumpshot, managed to flip him before wasting money on an extension and got another all-defense player.
But as many times before, Presti is great until it's time to actually win.
Caruso and Hartenstein were great moves, now it's up to the players to actually win, that's not GM's job.
They're in a great situation.
As I said before, Brian Wright has done really well as a salesman, got us a lot of assets and our cap situation is amazing.
But he'll need to make some winning moves really soon. And that's kind of uncharted territory for him.
Agreed. Most transactions are situational and needs context rather than just basing it off of results.
I hate the DeFrozen pickup for the Kings, but I get why they did it: They're stuck, have limited expendable assets, Fox is non-committal long term and it can be sold as a "talent play" for cheap.
I'm not sure how the Pacers old school ownership and their refusal to re-build that led to them making the trade they did for George, had anything to do with Presti's being "amazing".
Westbrook begrudgingly wanted to be traded after George was and Harden had applied pressure to the Rockets to capitulate, so the Thunder lucked into getting out of him at the peak of his value (and received an overpay, because Paul was perceived to be more in decline than he was because of his age, stature and injury history) and without looking like the "bad guys".
Trading Paul was another no brainer, as he had re-built his value, their timelines didn't align and they could be seen as "doing right by" one of the better players of all-time.
Giddey is the George trade redux on a smaller scale.
Dort, Joe and Wiggins and nice, but not franchise altering things.
wow this guy gets lucky a lot!
That's what job security/longevity can do for you.
He's definitely one of the top execs in the league, absolutely.
Adding to the score sheet...
Traded the draft rights to Immanuel Quickley and Jaden McDaniels in order to get Pokushevski
Traded the draft rights to Sengun to the Houston Rockets
Helped Dallas get both Derrick Lively and Gafford, as well as indirectly PJ Washington, all of whom roflstomped the Thunder this year
He also traded the draft rights to Brandon Clarke to the Grizzlies
So, yes, it's been mixed. Even the best are mixed. He does have a knack for helping out direct rivals, however.
So our guys clear waivers yet
bassey did
look fowks, I thunt untresand wut u are gattin at hour
Wow, 3 years at 32M total, that's not much. I wonder if he took a pay cut, or if that was the most he could get back then under the rules?
I think Mamu was just renounced. They probably started talking to him as soon as the vet deals were done.
I believe that was the max for a player with less than 7 years exp. in the league could get with the team that drafted them.
Back then it was still a lot. He got his 7 yr 120+ contract in 2003-2009 if I recall correctly.
I think the salary cap was like $40M.
Kind of stunning how much money far worse players are getting nowadays. A lot of these guys would never cut it in a pro-defense era and they're making bank on the league created for them.
Don Harris said the Spurs were in the Paul George sweepstakes, but bailed out because he wanted a 4th year. According to him they were ready to offer him the max for 3 years.
This news, coupled with the Spurs being reportedly interested in Lauri (but the price being the hold up) is encouraging. It means the FO no longer feels that we need to wait for some unknown future date when Wemby is "ready" - they are willing to pay top dollar for top players now. Props to them for that. Let's actually make it happen.
Side note: also agree with their wisdom that a 4th year for PG13 would not have been the best move.
makes sense if true. wemby has 3 years left on his rookie deal. spurs probably want to at least give themselves the option to do what Philly did with Maxey (and what the Spurs did in the past with Kawhi) by taking advantage of his cap hold figure being lower than what his actual contract will be.
if things dont work out that way they still may end up just extending him a year early anyway, but they probably dont want to lock themselves to that path if they dont have to. its the same reason why Vassell's contract was structured to have its lowest amount in the 2027 offseason
You can’t extend a player early. They become eligible after their third season,and there is a deadline before season four starts to do the deal. If the extension is signed, it starts for year five. If no extension is reached, they become an RFA after year four, with matching rights.
this is what im referencing
the spurs may well end up extending wemby after year 3
or they may want to wait until his free agency after year 4 to take advantage of the cap hold figure being lower than his eventual salary
they probably dont want to lock them into scenario 1 now by giving a massive 4 year deal to somebody like PG
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