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Love me some Seinfeld.Lol, this clip comes to mind:
Love me some Seinfeld.Lol, this clip comes to mind:
has one of the poorest player evaluations mind in spurstalk.
You know, pretty much everyone is saying the same thing. Murray isn't ready, and is bound for the D-League. And I think that's probably true. But consider this:
What if Murray's shots had been falling in these SL games? I can tell you what if. He would have been putting up 25 points a game, and people would be talking about how he was the steal of the draft. If he was making shots, most people wouldn't even notice a lot of the other shortcomings.
What I'm saying is that I'm confident that between Chip, and just gaining some confidence, his shooting can be fixed. The other things are a much bigger concern. The problem with putting him in the D-League playing the point is that he'll have a lot of opportunities to reinforce his bad habits. Right now he looks to create for himself, and when it's not there he dumps it off without any apparent plan. The easy thing would be just to slide him to the 2, but I hope they don't do that. And calling him a "combo-guard" amounts to the same thing. It would be an acknowledgement that he isn't really a PG, but put him at the point at times anyway.
Since the Spurs are going to have to be patient and train him anyway, I wish they would work on training him to be a PG. Maybe send him to one of those top-tier consultants (Patty Mills trained with one). He has talent and athleticism, and he seems like he puts in a lot of effort. Even if he never gets to the point of being a legit full-time NBA PG, it would make him a much better combo guard in a couple of years.
He'll still be a disaster at the point, in the D-league. But they can take the pressure off him by telling him that his job for the next year or two is to focus on defense, and learning how to play the point the right way.
I'm bullish about Murray, provided he maintains a positive at ude. His misses in the SL were clearly for two reasons (with some suspect shot selection, but that's okay at this point). One, his outside shot needs fixing. It can be fixed. There's nothing in it that doesn't look fixable. Two, he needs to get stronger. There were multiple times each game where he failed to convert near the basket because he got bumped off.
I have no doubt those two things can be corrected. He'll learn how to take contact better and convert.
I also don't really doubt he'll be a good point guard. Maybe not pass-first, as a natural skill, but he doesn't look bad in that regard, either. He doesn't seem to be primarily a chucker. Besides, we've been running with Parker as the drink-stirrer for a long, long time. The Spurs don't require a set-up PG.
In all, I liked the pick, still like the pick, and still think it could be a Corey Joseph timeline for him. I expect him to get some burn during the season but mostly in the DL and lots of inconsistency.
Maybe because he was supposed to have worked on his three pointer during the offseason and he's shooting 18 percent in the summer league?
Anderson's big thing is going to be his defense anyway. Either it was a fluke last year when teams suddenly started scoring when he game into the game, or he's a legitimately bad defender who grinds the team to a halt. We will find out for sure one way or the other this year.
You hit it. The biggest problem of summer league is that there are a dozen guys auditioning for a job, and sometimes it feels like nobody wants to set up someone else for a nice shot or set a pick for them when they can just shoot it themselves. Seeing someone calm enough to stay in their position, move the ball around, not force the issue, and do things for the good of the team despite the fact that it may not get them numbers on the box score is both rare and refreshing. The D League isn't much better. If you want a guy to work on fixing bad habits, it might not be the place. We might see Murray getting sent down to stay in shape and work on things, then called back for a time so he can be with the team.
Personally, I don't care whether his shots go in at this point. Physically you can see that he's got legitimate NBA potential, and as Body says, he doesn't have to be a traditional point guard to succeed in the Spurs' system.
then Luc is the difference between falling to OKC or reach the finals ?? this
So only one more SL game for the Spurs? When and against whom?
After the loss in Rd.1 to the Wolves, are the Summer Spurs done? Are their any consolation games for Bertans to get some play (pending contract crap)?
The last game is tomorrow at 4 PM ET against Sacramento.
Why is it that the issue now is contractual issues with Bertans when there have been other players who have played for the Spurs without any contract issues? For example, why was Dejounte able to play despite barely being official today, and Bertans has to wait still?
Pau officially signed today, 7/14. That was likely the hold-up for Bertans. He can be signed now. Bertans' insurance was an issue pre-signing.
Doubt the Spurs see anything to be gained by Bertrans playing one SL game.
Pau and Bertans don't conflict. They both are on the same tier of signings. It's odd that Murray signed first, because he's on the second tier. I think the holdup for Bertans was seeing if the team needed cap space for anything else before they went over the cap.
Could be. Manu is not officially signed yet, as well, but he will probably be signed last.
Last edited by Solid D; 07-14-2016 at 01:32 PM.
Garcia saying Spurs likely renounced Bonner and
even with Gasol before signing Manu have about $20 million in cap space. I'm confused.
He says they're under the tax, not the cap, by that amount. And renouncing Bonner means zilch. Dude was never getting more than the min.
Absolutely, he's minimum 1 year away from even being a 10th man. The reason I'm so excited is because I already see a lot of Manu in his game. He makes passes that other guys don't even see, and that Eurostep is legit already. He needs to get stronger obviously, you can he takes tough floaters because he can't finish through contact at the rim, but that floater is already a legit weapon. When he learns to combine it with some strength and hopefully a respectable jump shot he has all star potential.
If he's willing to accept the role he will make for an excellent 6th man to run the second unit.
Thanks man. Unquestionably Murray needs work but honestly I think Jean-Charles is only here because he is due his guaranteed money. If he was a second rounder the Spurs would have left him in Europe indefinitely, I have very low expectations of him going forward. Hopefully he proves me wrong.
Murray is the most exciting draft pick we've had for a long time. I'm genuinely more excited for him than I was Leonard, you can just see how much talent is there. He could end up a bust or he could become the next Manu.
Rewatched the game vs the Wolves and here's some thoughts
Murray had his best game of the Summer League and here's why: he didn't have his best shooting performance, but he took care of the ball for the most part and facilitated very well. He would have had more assists if his teammates just finished. I counted three or four instances he fed the open man for an uncontested shot or path to the basket. He also picked and chose his times to create and when to take over, namely the third when the Summer Spurs needed a spark and was just that. Something that I worry about early on is the potential streakiness and confidence. I really hope he is not a streaky player, but as for confidence, on one shot he missed he looked down and ran up the court. I remember saying keep your head up. So his shooting right now is a little mental, which luckily for us practice with Chip for a year could be a remedy.
It might of been best to sit Kyle at the start of the Las Vegas Summer League like some of us wanted, that way it'd give the remaining roster a chance to gel and figure things out before the games that counted but winning is not the most important thing here, it's development, so I understand. I just want to see more Spurs play, Summer or NBA. Anyways Kyle has been severely missed. We are 0-2 without him and if it weren't for us playing the Kings we might go 0-3.
I thought Jonathon Simmons has really turned around his performance the last three games. He's been much more efficient and settled especially on drives. I see him using pull-ups more and kicking it out more as opposed to just putting his head down and going to the rim and everyone else be damned. His drives have looked more in control and because of which his turnovers have went down and by that I mean the ones when just drives and unexplainably loses it. He still needs to work on his touch with passing. May just be something we have to live with but he routinely sails a pass out of bounds that has no chance. He had one to Murray this game and one to Forbes last game. Overall, I've been impressed with him and the change in the last three games. Much better. Maybe something finally clicked.
While I have been a defender of Livio Jean-Charles, I definitely can understand the fuss about him. He doesn't produce well for the amount of time he plays, he doesn't give the full amount of effort on some possessions, and he doesn't rebound outside of his area. The only thing that I can say positive about him that may of not been mentioned before is that he's a playmaker. He makes plays on the defensive end and that is valuable. Not bad for a last big off the bench. When he is dialed in, he's useful but when he's getting beat just on physicality that's a tough sell, since if Anderson is getting beat defensively by a bigger player, you need him to be able to play.
I still think Forbes, is the best player to make the team outside the stashes. His defense has been a bit of a surprise. He's no slouch and hustles. While I won't call him a lockdown defender, he has shown the required effort and lateral skills to keep up. As for his shooting, I just think it's hard to see his value here without someone to get him the ball. With Kyle in Utah, he had some of his best games. When Murray came on he had some of his worst games, since there were too many ball dominant players that couldn't find him. Sure he has missed some shots he could of easily made but I think in a Danny Green type role he could be special and make a career. After all he is an amazing shooter. With the Big Spurs he'll get plenty of open looks and as long as he can consistently knock down a majority of them, he has a shot.
Agreed, I really like the pick. In his second year he'll probably be the backup point with Mills most likely gone, then he'll most likely take over Parker's spot in his third year.
Chip is going to have his hands full next year with all these new players coming in
Thank for sharing Raybies. Much appreciated. I agree with your observations pretty much and appreciate them bc this was a game that I caught on and off bc there were things going on at home. Like you I agree Jon has improved but his passing is erratic and his 3 pts shot has been off. It's possible reworking it with Chip threw him off. His definite best asset is attacking the basket, but we already knew that..
Yeah I am hopeful Murray will improve.
LJC, just not confident he will change too much. He could easily be thrown in if some type of trade ever materialized... but my guess is he will be a one year player if he doesn't get stronger in any one area.
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