Spurs Select F Jeremy Sochan with the 9th Pick in the 2022 NBA Draft

[RC_Drunkford]

Now to where I do blame Sochan is his horrible ing shot. How tf is your shot that bad? I don’t want to see any videos of Sochan shooting 3s anymore. He doesn’t shoot them in the game bc he doesn’t feel comfortable with his shot bc he knows it’s garbage. I’d rather he shot 100 shots from 8 feet, 100 from 10 feet, 100 from 12 feet, 100 from 14 and then 100 from 16 every single day. It bothers me to see him only shooting 3s as if that’s going to fix his shot. If you’re going to completely rehaul his entire shooting mechanics then you might as well go back to the basics all the damn way

he kinda does that from the baseline in warm ups. The funny thing is that he has that hitch in his shooting motion, even when he's shooting it from close range. I got that on video.

[KobesAchilles]

he kinda does that from the baseline in warm ups. The funny thing is that he has that hitch in his shooting motion, even when he's shooting it from close range. I got that on video.

I don’t doubt it. His shot will always be the reason why he should stay on the bench going forward. But not as a back up C. That’s not a good position for him. Just put him as a damn PF.

[Mnky]

Doesn't back down until it's the end of a quarter and he gets the ball WIDE OPEN because he's always WIDE OPEN and then he competes so hard he takes a shot clock violation instead of shooting.

When he has Wemby, Fox, CP3, Barnes ...etc He should be forcing a shot? That's not his job at all man, not even close. Wemby is the star and closer and dude can't beat a 1v1. That puts the rest of the team in a bad spot... that definitely isn't the role players fault. Not being very objective.

Yea okay bud.

[scott]

When he has Wemby, Fox, CP3, Barnes ...etc He should be forcing a shot? That's not his job at all man, not even close. Wemby is the star and closer and dude can't beat a 1v1. That puts the rest of the team in a bad spot... that definitely isn't the role players fault. Not being very objective.

Yea okay bud.

Yes, when there is 1 second on the shot clock you have to force the shot.

[Mnky]

Yes, when there is 1 second on the shot clock you have to force the shot.

Lil bro used the perfect situation that happens once a week to make his case. Feels bad.

[Pauleta14]

Jeremy is the one who will benefit the most from Wemby's absence, the game'plays will be a lot simpler, we'll see a lot of P&R and he won't be expose as much on the perimeter

Here comes the 5 years/$150M extention... smh

[LeBowen]

Jeremy is the one who will benefit the most from Wemby's absence, the game'plays will be a lot simpler, we'll see a lot of P&R and he won't be expose as much on the perimeter

Here comes the 5 years/$150M extention... smh

Tbh, he won't.
He'll never be an actual C, playing him against backup bigs was bad, having him out there against starters will be disgusting. And it's not his fault, he's a forward.

[Obstructed_View]

He came in shooting with both hands.

That's how you watch him play

Sochan shooting one handed free throws tonight.
One of us is paying attention, and it ain't you.

[Pauleta14]

Tbh, he won't.
He'll never be an actual C, playing him against backup bigs was bad, having him out there against starters will be disgusting. And it's not his fault, he's a forward.

I assumed he wouldn't play C anymore tbh, it's messed up if they keep using him as a 5.

Haven't watched the game yet, just recall Sochan being a lot more comfortable when he doesn't have to think too much or spread the floor.

He's at his best offensively when he's inside, active on the offensive rebound and slashing/cutting. Wemby makes things too complicated with his poor court awareness and shooting limitations.

[Mnky]

The loudest posters are always the quietest when the crow comes around.

[ambchang]

Jeremy is the one who will benefit the most from Wemby's absence, the game'plays will be a lot simpler, we'll see a lot of P&R and he won't be expose as much on the perimeter

Here comes the 5 years/$150M extention... smh

It's almost like you are trying to trip over yourself spewing out bad takes. I mean, at least look things up, it's not hard to do.

Sochan advanced stats:

Sochan's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	114.37	113.07	+1.3	57.86	60.51	14.43	13.96	1.83	3.21	1.04
W Wemby	115.97	110.02	+5.94	62.03	64.4	12.05	14.04	1.15	2.83	1.13
W/O Wemby	112.48	116.7	-4.22	52.46	55.5	17.16	13.86	2.61	3.67	0.93

However, the more important question is, given this is Wemby's team, how does Wemby play with Sochan on the floor? You have continuously claimed that Sochan doesn't fit in the Wemby world, despite multiple people showing statistics that says the contrary, so I am not expecting this to got through that cranium of yours, but in the spirit of avoiding people actually believing in incorrect information because they are being drowned in fake bull all day every day, here are the stats for Wemby overall, with and without Sochan on the floor.

Wemby's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	115.61	112.81	+2.81	55.28	58.86	18.82	17.72	10.48!!!!!	4.98	1.02
W Sochan	115.97	110.02	+5.94	51.57	56.86	17.65	17.19	11.28!!!!	5.44	0.98
W/O Sochan	115.44	114.17	+1.27	57	59.84	19.43	17.99	10.08!!!!	4.75	1.04

You can interpret this data however you want, assuming you actually can understand what this is, but the idea that Sochan plays better without Wemby is just demonstratively false. The team also plays better with both on the court, Wemby is better scoring wise without Sochan than with (no surprises there) but he plays better defense with Sochan helping out as well.

[Ice009]

Where do you get those stats from to compare?

[Spursfanfromafar]

It's almost like you are trying to trip over yourself spewing out bad takes. I mean, at least look things up, it's not hard to do.

Sochan advanced stats:

Sochan's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	114.37	113.07	+1.3	57.86	60.51	14.43	13.96	1.83	3.21	1.04
W Wemby	115.97	110.02	+5.94	62.03	64.4	12.05	14.04	1.15	2.83	1.13
W/O Wemby	112.48	116.7	-4.22	52.46	55.5	17.16	13.86	2.61	3.67	0.93

However, the more important question is, given this is Wemby's team, how does Wemby play with Sochan on the floor? You have continuously claimed that Sochan doesn't fit in the Wemby world, despite multiple people showing statistics that says the contrary, so I am not expecting this to got through that cranium of yours, but in the spirit of avoiding people actually believing in incorrect information because they are being drowned in fake bull all day every day, here are the stats for Wemby overall, with and without Sochan on the floor.

Wemby's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	115.61	112.81	+2.81	55.28	58.86	18.82	17.72	10.48!!!!!	4.98	1.02
W Sochan	115.97	110.02	+5.94	51.57	56.86	17.65	17.19	11.28!!!!	5.44	0.98
W/O Sochan	115.44	114.17	+1.27	57	59.84	19.43	17.99	10.08!!!!	4.75	1.04

You can interpret this data however you want, assuming you actually can understand what this is, but the idea that Sochan plays better without Wemby is just demonstratively false. The team also plays better with both on the court, Wemby is better scoring wise without Sochan than with (no surprises there) but he plays better defense with Sochan helping out as well.

Thanks for these stats. It's but obvious that Sochan's improvement on defense has coincided with his increased chemistry with Wemby. And Sochan should, therefore, be starting with Wemby whenever our young superstar is back on the court. As and when Castle can develop a jump start, he will form an important member of the Fox, Wemby, Sochan and the 3&D starter (as of now its Vassell, but it could be someone else next season).

[Mugen]

I think Castle/Sochan will improve shooting wise.

But a Fox/Castle/Sochan/Wemby lineup is just asking for trouble in today's pace n space NBA tbh.

I'd consider Sochan as a nice 6th man unless he becomes an average NBA shooter on decent volume. That's a tall order IMO.

[scott]

Where do you get those stats from to compare?

pbpstats.com - go to the "On/Off" tab and then "Wowy Combinations". One of my favorite sites and tools.

Edit: Actually, that is slightly different than what ambchang is posting, the pbpstats I directed you to will give you team stats with different lineup combos whereas amb is posting player on/off stats, which is nice. So I'm curious as well!

[scott]

It's almost like you are trying to trip over yourself spewing out bad takes. I mean, at least look things up, it's not hard to do.

Sochan advanced stats:

Sochan's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	114.37	113.07	+1.3	57.86	60.51	14.43	13.96	1.83	3.21	1.04
W Wemby	115.97	110.02	+5.94	62.03	64.4	12.05	14.04	1.15	2.83	1.13
W/O Wemby	112.48	116.7	-4.22	52.46	55.5	17.16	13.86	2.61	3.67	0.93

However, the more important question is, given this is Wemby's team, how does Wemby play with Sochan on the floor? You have continuously claimed that Sochan doesn't fit in the Wemby world, despite multiple people showing statistics that says the contrary, so I am not expecting this to got through that cranium of yours, but in the spirit of avoiding people actually believing in incorrect information because they are being drowned in fake bull all day every day, here are the stats for Wemby overall, with and without Sochan on the floor.

Wemby's Stats	ORtg	DRtg	NetRtg	eFG%	TS%	AST%	REB%	BLK%	TO%	PPP
Overall	115.61	112.81	+2.81	55.28	58.86	18.82	17.72	10.48!!!!!	4.98	1.02
W Sochan	115.97	110.02	+5.94	51.57	56.86	17.65	17.19	11.28!!!!	5.44	0.98
W/O Sochan	115.44	114.17	+1.27	57	59.84	19.43	17.99	10.08!!!!	4.75	1.04

You can interpret this data however you want, assuming you actually can understand what this is, but the idea that Sochan plays better without Wemby is just demonstratively false. The team also plays better with both on the court, Wemby is better scoring wise without Sochan than with (no surprises there) but he plays better defense with Sochan helping out as well.

Thanks for posting these. I think there is an interesting story being told by these numbers.

It's pretty clear how Sochan benefits from being on the floor with Wemby. The team is just better in everyway when Sochan minutes conincide with Wemby minutes. However, looking at Wemby's on/off's with Sochan, it seems that the defense improves significantly with Sochan in the lineup (which is not surprising) but the offense gets a little clunkier but doesn't that doesn't necessarily result in significantly different outcomes. Our ORTG is around the same in Wemby with Sochan versus Wemby without Sochan, but the team shooting % dips in Wemby + Sochan scenarios.

I think this generally conforms with the eye test - that Jeremy kind of crowds the court offensively when he shares it with Wemby. However I'd say that visually it appeared that they were really starting to figure it out this year with Sochan doing a lot more off the ball movement and cutting, getting open in the dunker spot for lobs, etc. Sure enough, their ORTG on the court together this year is +5 over last year. That's some nice improvement, obviously a lot of that comes from their individual development, but also the chemistry they are building with one another.

In the first game without Wemby last night I thought Sochan played very well offensively and gave us a glimpse at what he can be as a bench player in a lot of non-Wemby lineups if that is the direction we go next year (which, IMO is what we should do with about half of his time with Wemby and half without). He was active, cutting, playing in the flow of the game. And of course, he played solid D which was most important.

Despite all the hand wringing, I think Sochan has shown some nice growth this year. Obviously still a lot of room for improvement, but he's still 21. I like his progression, and my eye test matches up with his DARKO chart. And I say this as someone who came into the year a Sochan skeptic. I threw a comparison to Jalen Johnson in here. They are not at all similar players, but I think a good comparison in terms of a guy who took a significant 3rd year leap. Sochan trajectory in year 3 at the same age is pretty similar.

[spurraider21]

thats encouraging. with this being sochan's 3rd year already, its easy to forget how young he still is. he just has to keep improving

branham and wesley are also the same age (all 3 of them are both turning 22 in between the months of march and may). problem is branham hasnt shown any meaningful trajectory and basically peaked as a rookie. wesley has shown some development but not enough to get into the rotation with what is now becoming a pretty crowded backcourt (i would have liked to see him get some run over Tre Jones earlier this year, but post-Fox trade, its not going ot happen)

but with Tre gone, Paul far from certain to come back, im glad we have Wesley's option picked up for next year

[John B]

I mean I personally like playing with someone like Sochan because he plays defense, gets you the ball and never a ball hog. But the guy hesitates to shoot so bad, the TNT commentator was saying not to worry planting on him as he prefers to pass the ball - that’s a bad scouting report on him. I freaking want to throw the tv when he pass on open shots. Luckily he made end of a quarter shot last night. He was sooo wide open because his defender won’t even bother

[spurraider21]

I mean I personally like playing with someone like Sochan because he plays defense, gets you the ball and never a ball hog. But the guy hesitates to shoot so bad, the TNT commentator was saying not to worry planting on him as he prefers to pass the ball - that’s a bad scouting report on him. I freaking want to throw the tv when he pass on open shots. Luckily he made end of a quarter shot last night. He was sooo wide open because his defender won’t even butter.

defendant actually ran away from him because he was more concerned about the extra pass than sochan shooting

[John B]

defendant actually ran away from him because he was more concerned about the extra pass than sochan shooting

Exactly. Sochan rushing to bring the ball down, just to stop and pass for a half-court set-up is sooo damn annoying.

[Pauleta14]

We got some real geniuses on ST looking for stats that shows a player benefits from playing with Wemby...

Idiocracy we live in smh

[ambchang]

Where do you get those stats from to compare?

https://www.fantasylabs.com/nba/on-off/

[ambchang]

Jeremy is the one who will benefit the most from Wemby's absence, the game'plays will be a lot simpler, we'll see a lot of P&R and he won't be expose as much on the perimeter

Here comes the 5 years/$150M extention... smh

We got some real geniuses on ST looking for stats that shows a player benefits from playing with Wemby...

Idiocracy we live in smh

At least you finally figured out you don’t have to be a genius to realize players benefit from playing with wemby, because re like you couldn’t figure that out yesterday.

[Jordan Jackson]

This thread is going to be pretty funny to look back at in about 5 years. If the asteroid doesn’t get us first.

[John B]

So much for Sochan’s defense with Cunningham erupted to 25 pts and 12 assists. I know Sochan works hard on his defense, trying to stay in front of his man, poking, disrupting, and getting into their skin, but it’s like poking a bear sometimes. 8pts and 3 rebounds last night in 28 mins, while Mamu at 10 pts and 7 rebounds in 21 minutes. Sure he was 2 for 5 at downtown last night, but his defender leaves him wide open. What bothers me is he’s always looking to pass and almost never wants to make a jump shot. I doubt it will ever be his game. Surely Sochan is NOT my ideal starting 4. I hope the PATFO will work hard to draft or trade for Spurs future starting 4, because Sochan is not it.