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That's not very nice.
eventually the media will get sick of this, oh yeah another thing, I am surprised none of the left leaning democrats are out there embracing her cause... I wonder what they might be fearing...... where's jesse jackson, al gore, john kerry, ted kennedy, al sharpton... oh the injustice of it all.... lol... (they probably know it's a volunteer army and won't touch this issue)
That's not very nice.
Yes because you obviously haven't read her comments. She's got exactly his same beliefs.
Rush is off his meds again and in full effect in the latest public information release from the Ministry of Truth...
Sounds like Whott, NO?"I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left."
Yeah? And you sound like Usama half the time...
Cindy Sheehan's Tragic Critics
By John Nichols
On the ensuing thread, it is very amusing to see how the right-wing posters help Mr. Nichols drive his point home.While debating conservative pundit David Horowitz on Ron Reagan's MSNBC show the other night, I was struck by the desperation with which supporters of the war have turned their fury on Cindy Sheehan, the mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq who has been trying to get an audience with President Bush.
Horowitz, the former left-wing zealot who is now a right-wing zealot, described the woman who has camped out near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch as "hateful," accused her of dishonoring the memory of her son and promised that if Sheehan and other anti-war activists succeed in bringing an end to the occupation of Iraq then "rivers of blood" will flow in the streets of America. It was a remarkable performance, so much so that even Horowitz admitted that he was "emotional" about the subject.
Of course, Horowitz is wrong, on every point. But it is difficult to get angry with him, or even to take his ranting seriously. When Reagan asked me if I wanted to "dignify" Horowitz's comments with a response, I declined, except to express a measure of sympathy for Horowitz and other true believers who have become so frenzied in their need to defend the Iraq imbroglio that they feel they must attack a grieving mother who wants to make sure that no more parents will have to bury their sons and daughters as a result of the Bush administration's arrogance.
The rapidly dwindling minority of Americans who continue to search for some rationale for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq has been driven to the brink of breakdown by the success of Sheehan's protest. Go to the website of William F. Buckley's National Review magazine and you will find Sheehan described in headlines as "nutty," dismissed by columnists as "the mouthpiece... of howling-at-the-moon, bile-spewing Bush haters" and accused of "sucking up intellectual air" that, presumably, would be better utilized by Condoleezza Rice explaining once more that it would be wrong to read too much into the August 6, 2001, briefing do ent that declared: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S." Human Events, the conservative weekly newspaper, dismisses Sheehan as a "professional griever" who "can claim to be in perpetual mourning for her fallen son" -- as if there is some time limit on maternal sorrow over the death of a child.
She is dishonoring the memory of her son...big time.
It's not my opinion...it's fact.
He didn't die for the cause she is now using his name to promote.
He didn't die for that reason....Regardless of what the Bush admin's motivations were to enter into the war...he was there for noble reasons...on a noble quest.
This man was Pro-American...not Pro-terrorist...and he was a smarter man than she was and a better American...
She's disgracing him and his memory worse than any terrorist ever could.
How dare she stick his name next to Michael Moore's....and claim she is acting on his behalf...how dare she.
Thems the facts. Deal with it.
How do you know what he stood for Whott? Did you know him personally? Maybe the reason he did his job was because, well, it was his job.
Oh , the Nichol's article is too good, let's read the rest of it...
Fox News Channel spinner-in-chief Bill O'Reilly accuses Sheehan of being "in bed with the radical left," including -- horrors! -- "9-11 families" that are still seeking answers about whether, in the first months of 2001, the Bush administration was more focused on finding excuses to attack Iraq than on protecting Americans from terrorism. And Rush Limbaugh was on the radio the other day ranting about how, "(Sheehan's) story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real..." (Just to clarify for Limbaugh listeners: Cindy Sheehan's 24-year-old son Casey really did die in Iraq, and his mother really would like to talk with President Bush about all those claims regarding WMDs and al-Qaida ties that the administration used to peddle the "case" for war.)
The pro-war pundits who continue to defend the occupation of Iraq are freaked out by the fact that a grieving mother is calling into question their claim that the only way to "support the troops" is by keeping them in the frontlines of George W. Bush's failed experiment. Bush backers are horrified that Sheehan's sincere and patriotic anti-war voice has captured the nation's attention.
What the pro-war crowd does not understand is that Cindy Sheehan is not inspiring opposition to the occupation. She is merely putting a face on the mainstream sentiments of a country that has stopped believing the president's promises with regard to Iraq. According to the latest Newsweek poll, 61 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush's handing of the war, while just 26 percent support the president's argument that large numbers of U.S. military personnel should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes to achieve the administration's goals there.
The supporters of this war have run out of convincing lies and effective emotional appeals. Now, they are reduced to attacking the grieving mothers of dead soldiers. Samuel Johnson suggested that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. But, with their attacks on Cindy Sheehan, the apologists for George Bush's infamy have found a new and darker refuge.
How do you know what he stood for Whott? Did you know him personally? Maybe the reason he did his job was because, well, it was his job.
Because he re-enlisted in the US Military AFTER the Iraq war...
Because he was told it was not necessary for him to go on the mission that killed him...and he went anyway.
Her son was as far away from the Michael Moore's of this world as you can get...and he'd be ashamed to have his name being used to promote something Michael Moore stands for....
This woman is in deep grief and has lost her way...I don't blame her for being angry....
But one day she is going to be ashamed of what she did here in her sons name....and she will apologize for it...wait and see.
That became my favorite episode of all time the very instant it aired.
Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony.
For the past several days I've been... noticing a steep rise in the number of hippies coming to town. At first I thought maybe it was just a coincidence. Then I saw this... Three new drum circles have sprouted up here, here, and here. They're all growing in diameter, at a rate of two hippies per hour. What this means... is that the hippies are conglomerating. They're thriving, if you will. I think that they're setting up for a... hippie music festival.
It's, it's simple science. Look: When hippies start to nest in a new area, it draws other hippies in. With the right weather conditions and topography, it can lead to a music festival. One that last for days, even weeks. Reggae on the River, Woodstock, Burning Man, they will all pale in comparison to what we're looking at now. In my professional opinion... I think we're looking at a full-blown hippie jam festival the size of which we've never seen.
I'd really like to hear what the father has to say about this....to make sure Casey isn't being taken advantage of in death by his mother and a decietful group of leftwingers(she's being taken advantage of too)......who don't care how much they piss on the legacy a dead man wanted to leave, the only thing he has to leave. The message he was trying to send.
I read that part of the reason the father is divorcing her is because of her extremist political views...I am certain looking at Casey's actions that his stance is completely different from that of his mother.
When he speaks...I expect a full apology from you, move on, Michael Moore, and everyone involved for misrepresnting what this kid stood for and using it for your own ing seflish reasons. You offend me greatly.
I sympathize with the son...not the mother...because the son is the one that no longer has his voice to speak with...and in my gut I know that his mother is not saying the things he would want her to say.
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I can just picture this kid going around calling Bush a murderer and a war criminal...as he re-enlists after the Iraq war...
Who the do you people think you are kidding?
That's what troops do, Whott. Maybe at one time he did support the war, , at one time 70% of the American public supported the war, but those numbers have dwindled down to 26% today. Also, when he reuped, you didn't know what kind of pressure he was under at the time, maybe he was inticed by a $50,000 or more signing bonus, or maybe he just felt bad leaving his buddies in Iraq short-handed because all these young, conservative, chicken-hawks who support W's war have better things to do, just like their leader did in Nam.Because he re-enlisted in the US Military AFTER the Iraq war...
Because he was told it was not necessary for him to go on the mission that killed him...and he went anyway.
Paul Hackett?
How do you know? Do you have the demographic breakdown on those polls?Maybe at one time he did support the war, , at one time 70% of the American public supported the war, but those numbers have dwindled down to 26% today.
Are you saying this man was not in control of his own decisions?Also, when he reuped, you didn't know what kind of pressure he was under at the time, maybe he was inticed by a $50,000 or more signing bonus,
Are you saying he is a flake?
Au contraire...his mother is the flake.
I imagine that was a big part of it...or maybe he just felt bad leaving his buddies in Iraq short-handed
because all these young, conservative, chicken-hawks who support W's war have better things to do, just like their leader did in Nam.
W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.
Michael Moore was never in favor of this war at anytime...he is an anti-American..he does not feel this country is worth fighting and dying for, he sympathizes with opressive causes and is a racist......this kid is not like that.
Stop using him.
All this time, Cindy Sheehan has been insisting that all she just wants to do is ask Bush why her son died and has led us to believe that even though she met him once, she didn't get a chance to question him. But according to the an interview she gave in the San Francisco Chronicle earlier this year, she did, in fact, get to ask this question and Bush gave her an answer.
"She met Bush once, during his visit to Fort Lewis, Wash. She says she tried to show the president photos of Casey, but he wouldn't look at them. She says she asked him, "Mr. President, what did my son die for?" and he said, "I believe every person deserves to be free."
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W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.
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Daddy Bush didn't just serve, he has an impressive war record..
"On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action."
They took what were meant to be memorials to american soldiers killed in combat and shamelessly slammed them into the ground by a highway as a political stunt.
I was just pointing out the ridiculousness of someone running over a religious/spiritual symbol because he does no believe in the cause they represent.
Kinda like burning the American flag, no?
B-B-B-Bad to the Bone!
Excuse my language, but that's horse . The minute she accepted celebrity she accepted all the responsibities that came with it(including being ridiculed). Her son didn't die so she could have carte blance on anything she says.Of course, Horowitz is wrong, on every point. But it is difficult to get angry with him, or even to take his ranting seriously. When Reagan asked me if I wanted to "dignify" Horowitz's comments with a response, I declined, except to express a measure of sympathy for Horowitz and other true believers who have become so frenzied in their need to defend the Iraq imbroglio that they feel they must attack a grieving mother who wants to make sure that no more parents will have to bury their sons and daughters as a result of the Bush administration's arrogance.
Some here seem to think that this really matters. Frankly, it's the reason a large portion of the population doesn't give a about politics. Then again, I find myself on the outside of the cable "news"/blog/partisan nutjob newscycle looking in.
The weather sure is nice here.
It's in Texas, once football starts nobody will care.
Ummm..That's not an answer - that's a non-answer, but at least you've helped proven that Cindy had reservations even then about the war."She met Bush once, during his visit to Fort Lewis, Wash. She says she tried to show the president photos of Casey, but he wouldn't look at them. She says she asked him, "Mr. President, what did my son die for?" and he said, "I believe every person deserves to be free."
But do you know the history behind Bush41's Distinguished Flying Cross for Bravery in Action award?"On his 18th birthday he enlisted in the armed forces. The youngest pilot in the Navy when he received his wings, he flew 58 combat missions during World War II. On one mission over the Pacific as a torpedo bomber pilot he was shot down by Japanese antiaircraft fire and was rescued from the water by a U. S. submarine. He was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery in action."
TelegraphLt George Bush, then a 20-year-old pilot, was among nine airmen who escaped from their planes after being shot down during bombing raids on Chichi Jima, a tiny island 700 miles south of Tokyo, in September 1944 - and was the only one to evade capture by the Japanese.
The horrific fate of the other eight "flyboys" was established in subsequent war crimes trials on the island of Guam, but details were sealed in top secret files in Washington to spare their families distress.
Mr Bradley has established that they were tortured, beaten and then executed, either by beheading with swords or by multiple stab-wounds from bayonets and sharpened bamboo stakes. Four were then butchered by the island garrison's surgeons and their livers and meat from their thighs eaten by senior Japanese officers.
The future president escaped a similar fate because he ditched his plane further from the island than the other crews, and managed to scramble on to a liferaft. American planes launched a hail of fire at Japanese boats which set out to capture him, driving them back, and he was eventually rescued by a US submarine.
When the black hull of the USS Finback surfaced in front of him, he thought he was hallucinating, he told Mr Bradley in a television film made to coincide with the publication of Flyboys. He had been vomiting, bleeding from a head wound, and weeping with fear. He said only four words to his rescuers: "Happy to be aboard."
Mr Bush's part in the raid - for which he won the Distinguished Flying Cross - has long been known to Americans. Not known until now was the grim fate of his downed comrades - none from his own plane - who swam ashore.
Mr Bradley pieced together the horrific truth from secret transcripts of the war crimes trials, given to him by a former officer and lawyer who was an official witness at the time, and the testimony of surviving Japanese veterans.
A radio operator, Marve Mershon, was marched to a freshly dug grave, blindfolded, and made to kneel for beheading by sword, testified a Japanese soldier, named as Iwakawa, at the war crimes trial. "When the flyer was struck, he did not cry out, but made a slight groan."
The next day a Japanese officer, Major Sueo Matoba, decided to include American flesh in a sake-fuelled feast he laid on for officers including the commander-in-chief on the island, Gen Yoshio Tachibana. Both men were later tried and executed for war crimes.
A Japanese medical orderly who helped the surgeon prepare the ingredients said: "Dr Teraki cut open the chest and took out the liver. I removed a piece of flesh from the flyer's thigh, weighing about six pounds and measuring four inches wide, about a foot long."
Another crewman, Floyd Hall, met a similar fate. Adml Kinizo Mori, the senior naval officer on Chichi Jima, told the court that Major Matoba brought "a delicacy" to a party at his quarters - a specially prepared dish of Floyd Hall's liver.
According to Adml Mori, Matoba told him: "I had it pierced with bamboo sticks and cooked with soy sauce and vegetables." They ate it in "very small pieces", believing it "good medicine for the stomach", the admiral recalled.
A third victim of cannibalism, Jimmy Dye, had been put to work as a translator when, several weeks later, Capt Shizuo Yoshii - who was later tried and executed - called for his liver to be served at a party for fellow officers. Parts of a fourth airman, Warren Earl Vaughn, were also eaten and the remaining four were executed, one by being clubbed to death.
Kerry did two tours in nam. He volunteered for the second and didn't use his privilege to get out of serving his first tour of duty.W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.
Don't bet on it. Yes, someday this drama may move back to Washington DC were it belongs, but Cindy Sheehan isn't gonna just disappear. Like it or not, she has started a movement that until now has gone largely ignored by the corporate media and the apathetic, like Marcus Bryant, but those voices won't be ignored for much longer. Especially as the war in Iraq continues to spiral downward and our troops keep dying.
By the way, I was at one of those Sheehan prayer vigils held in Texas and I just gotta tell ya, the energy there was fantastic. There must have been about 100 people there supporting Mrs. Sheehan, and that was only at one vigil, there were hundreds around the world.
I wonder what she thought while her son was still alive in a volunteer army, was she actively campaigning for him to get it... I'd like to ask her that question.
we all know what kerry did in vietnam
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