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    Yes, he has. Green is athletic and has showed some ability to score. His dunk while pushing Paul Miller off him was nice. He is sometimes sloppy and is somewhat lacking defensively, however.
    I saw that little push off, too. I just thought he was worthy of a mention. Some of these guys are just being told to go out there and play, while at least Hill and Mahinmi are being told to work on specific things in order to be ready to assume their roles when TC comes around, because they have expectations to meet. The other guys may be having better games in some cases, but they are probably playing for camp invites from other teams, and I doubt Pop would ask them to sacrifice their chance to make an impression and land a gig with someone.

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    prolific scoring in college means very little, Harold Minor, Terrence Rencher, JJ Re , Morrison, etc...
    None of those were PG's, they didn't/don't play defense and rebound like a crazed fool. He scoring will come.

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    prolific scoring in college means very little, Harold Minor, Terrence Rencher, JJ Re , Morrison, etc...
    And prolific scoring from a backup Spurs point guard means even less, so worrying about the one thing he's always been best at when he's taking about 8 shots a game makes no sense at all.

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    If he plays 10-15 mins a game in every game with practices with the team, he'll be better than the Toros. Ian wouldn't get that last yr, that is why he went to the Toros.

    Hill is not as raw as Ian, its obivious they told him to facilitate not score during these games. He was strictly a scorer in college. His defense and rebounding is better than JV, so yes I'll take him over JV right now.

    If he stinks it up during preseason, then they should be talking Toros. He'll get open looks with the regualr squad.
    the kid needs to get every shot possible to contribute this year. I wouldn't give up on this kid until it's plainly obvious he can't play at the NBA level. We won't know that for sure for a long time. I was hoping to know it after two summer league games like Parker, but oh well.

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    And prolific scoring from a backup Spurs point guard means even less, so worrying about the one thing he's always been best at when he's taking about 8 shots a game makes no sense at all.
    that statement makes no sense. the statement was prolific scoring in college means jack, so don't tell me we shouldn't be concerned when his offensive game hasn't translated yet. Sometimes it never does. If you're saying getting another JV is all the spurs hoped for then wonderful. Their expectations are a lot lower than mine.

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    I just saw the game on MSG-NY.
    Sorry, but I don't think Hill or Mahimi are going to get into the 1st team rotation. Not with the West as loaded as it is. The only way I see them playing is if somebody goes down with an injury, and even then I think we're in deep .
    The West goes 10-11 teams deep now. We can't afford to play half a season to develop these guys. We need to go full throttle from the get go so we don't end up having to overplay our best guys on the final stretch of the season like last year.
    I like Gist in that he hustles more than anybody out there. He's really trying hard to make the team, perhaps harder than anybody, and I hope he does make it. But again, I don't think we have time to develop these guys.
    They're still good assets to have around though, perhaps for a trade.

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    I just saw the game on MSG-NY.
    Sorry, but I don't think Hill or Mahimi are going to get into the 1st team rotation. Not with the West as loaded as it is. The only way I see them playing is if somebody goes down with an injury, and even then I think we're in deep .
    The West goes 10-11 teams deep now. We can't afford to play half a season to develop these guys. We need to go full throttle from the get go so we don't end up having to overplay our best guys on the final stretch of the season like last year.
    I like Gist in that he hustles more than anybody out there. He's really trying hard to make the team, perhaps harder than anybody, and I hope he does make it. But again, I don't think we have time to develop these guys.
    They're still good assets to have around though, perhaps for a trade.
    I disagree on Ian. He's awkward but productive. Plus, his touch is shockingly good.

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    Ian and Gist bothered me with their lack of aggression near the hoop. They are missing chippies when they should be flushing it.

    Hairston had some nice moves and finishes today but that was about it. Lost a lot of time to Cuffee, Powell and Green. At this point he gets waived in training camp and picked up by the Toros like Marcus Williams.

    Devin Green is pounding the ball too much. He's not showing the court vision and passing ability he showed in the D-League the past two seasons. Other than that, he's playing well.

    I'm willing make an excuse for Hill's shooting having something to do with his elbow. The shots simply have no consistency. Given his past shooting, I don't know enough about him to think otherwise. Didn't let Nate light him up too much and took care of the ball today. More of a project than I would want him to be, but aside from the scoring, he's been the best SL point guard in recent memory.

    Powell did great today, initially exposing horrible lapses by the Knicks, then using the confidence from those easy buckets to make a couple of plays of his own.

    I was sitting right in front of Herb Williams and across the aisle from Mike D'Antoni. Pop shook hands with him and they exchanged some jokes after the game. Unfortunately I had already put my camera away.

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    the kid needs to get every shot possible to contribute this year. I wouldn't give up on this kid until it's plainly obvious he can't play at the NBA level. We won't know that for sure for a long time. I was hoping to know it after two summer league games like Parker, but oh well.
    Well we know Parker is special and I wouldn't bet my life on Summer league, ask GS with Marco last yr.

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    I disagree on Ian. He's awkward but productive. Plus, his touch is shockingly good.
    I just thought he would dominate more. He has played against better compe ion on the D League, and I don't see him laying it down on these rookies. Two other problems I noticed with him: 1) The Oberto-esque problems finishing at the rim and 2) Bad hands to catch some inside passes.

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    Well we know Parker is special and I wouldn't bet my life on Summer league, ask GS with Marco last yr.
    overly dramatic, what the bet my life.

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    Ian actually has good hands. The passers haven't really gotten a line on where any of the players like the ball.

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    overly dramatic, what the bet my life.

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    I just thought he would dominate more. He has played against better compe ion on the D League, and I don't see him laying it down on these rookies. Two other problems I noticed with him: 1) The Oberto-esque problems finishing at the rim and 2) Bad hands to catch some inside passes.
    his inside game needs work no doubt. He has problems creating space for entry passes too. Nevertheless, he's producing and from the limited minutes I saw him play in the NBA he was somewhat productive too, but awkward.

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    The one thng in the limited chances I've had to see Hill that I wish I saw him better at is breaking down his man of the dribble. I've haven't seen any of that.

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    I'm willing make an excuse for Hill's shooting having something to do with his elbow. The shots simply have no consistency. Given his past shooting, I don't know enough about him to think otherwise. Didn't let Nate light him up too much and took care of the ball today. More of a project than I would want him to be, but aside from the scoring, he's been the best SL point guard in recent memory.
    I kind of hate to keep adding stuff up to Hill's plate, but I thought his defense was actually really poor. Since last night I noticed how the guy he's guarding normally can back-cut and get to the rim uncontested (happened with Nate today). I actually thought the other bald point guard played better, and unsurprisingly we made our run to take the big lead with him on the floor.
    That said, you're right about his elbow. We don't know what's his status on that, and he's also learning the ropes. So we'll see how much he improves with a training camp under his belt.

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    I suspect Hill will be fine if we are worried about his offense. I suspect there will be a vast difference in the quality of the looks he gets playing with Manu or Tim than he's getting right now in summer league.

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    that statement makes no sense. the statement was prolific scoring in college means jack, so don't tell me we should be concerned when his offensive game hasn't translated yet. Sometimes it never does. If you're saying getting another JV is all the spurs hoped for then wonderful. Their expectations are a lot lower than mine.
    You clearly aren't reading anything I've posted, as I've never suggested that anyone should be concerned that he's not scoring. They aren't showcasing his shooting, they are playing him as a facilitator and passer. That his shot hasn't come along yet is absolutely the least of the Spurs' worries. He's already better than JV and he's following instructions, working hard, hustling and defending. That he's not out there like a ball hog jacking up shots means the Spurs got a guy who's willing to put his ego aside and do what he's told.

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    The one thng in the limited chances I've had to see Hill that I wish I saw him better at is breaking down his man of the dribble. I've haven't seen any of that.
    his quickness is a concerned, but I also used to think Beno was the slowest guy on the planet earth.

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    I suspect Hill will be fine if we are worried about his offense. I suspect there will be a vast difference in the quality of the looks he gets playing with Manu or Tim than he's getting right now in summer league.
    Exactly, the same with Ian I believe. I'm really excited how they'll look in the preseason.

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    I suspect Hill will be fine if we are worried about his offense. I suspect there will be a vast difference in the quality of the looks he gets playing with Manu or Tim than he's getting right now in summer league.
    kid has a lot to work on, but scorers do not lose confidence like that. If it's an injury, and then that's a different story.

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    Don't get me wrong. Nate beat him badly a couple of times. But it wasn't that bad considering Nate was 2-10 today when last summer he shot 48% and averaged about 20ppg.

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    BTW, what is up with Hill's elbow, didn't know it was bothering him.

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    Hill looked pretty good.

    But,

    he has trouble making shots in traffic and he isn't that quick with the ball (I didn't see him break anyone down on offense off the dribble ala Manu or TP) . He's a better overall athlete than Parker (has more potential to be a better defender than him), but he lacks quickness and agility to get in the lane and make noise on O, which is what makes Tony Tony and Manu Manu.

    People here say he's good at shooting, and I hope so, because his ballhandling, although better today than before - he looked less shakey - isn't all that impressive.
    Give Hill some time to learn Tony's tear drop, and he'll be fine.

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    Mahinmi all around looked better in the second half. He boxed out his man much better, even on made baskets. The last two games there were numerous times where if the ball was a miss Mahinmi was already boxed out by the other big man who would have had an o-rebound and a putback. But today in the second half I think he looked better and more 'in the game'

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