You listed 5 things, but #1 and #5 are the same, and #2 and #4 are the same.
In any case, none of them conclude that Jesus did not exist, nor do they disprove the existence of a higher power.
There are numerous times in life when you will receive favor based on who you know- a job reference, a free meal at the restaurant where you buddy is the manager etc.
How can you embrace/ celebrate nepotism in earth life but condemn it in an Eternal setting?
you hate religion so you don't believe in God or you don't believe in God so religion is stupid?
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No proof has been given and if you are brave enough and willing to take a leap of FAITH you'd understand. Come on now. You can do it. You've proven nothing.
My kid believes in Santa because thats what we told her. Think about it.
I believe you are wrong and for those who religion..more power to you all.
Oh, and God bless.
We have and in a mul ude of ways. You and others refuse to acknowledge the facts. I doubt you even read any of it. You just went right to faith and that was the end of it.
I hate religion because it uses fear to herd and exploit people for money and power.
Actually, I like to look at it more like: If thousands of people came to my house almost every day, and especially on Sundays, I'd start to get quite a bit annoyed with them. Its like that one guy you invite over that one time and he comes over every day afterwards to hang out.
As far as strangers coming into my home.... I had Katrina victims stay at my house for a bit. I didn't know squat about them. I guess that would make me a better person than God by your standards but I doubt your view of God is any more correct than my view.
I would say you're stereotyping. Nevertheless, do you believe in a God/Higher Power?
That goes for the majority of what you learn from day one. Think about it. And the Santa Claus issue is a total crock and not even on the same level.
But if you don't know the manager at the restaurant, are you beat, raped, and left for dead by him?
No, I don't. As for stereotyping, the idea of being judged by an angry god is the core belief in Christianity.
Actually, I like to look at it more like: If thousands of people came to my house almost every day, and especially on Sundays, I'd start to get quite a bit annoyed with them. Its like that one guy you invite over that one time and he comes over every day afterwards to hang out.
As far as strangers coming into my home.... I had Katrina victims stay at my house for a bit. I didn't know squat about them. I guess that would make me a better person than God by your standards but I doubt your view of God is any more correct than my view.at that first part.
Seriously though,
If you had invited Katrina victims to stay with you and they had rejected your offer of hospitality- then their being left out in the cold would have been their fault, not yours.
God has invited the world into Eternal life but you ( and every individual) must to choose to take Jesus up on the offer of paid admission into Heaven, otherwise God cannot bless you.
God is an ever present help in trouble and is the giver of all good gifts.
He has never harmed anyone.
correct, but you made a blanket statement and said that idea is used to extort money. My experience is that, as a whole, Christians are the most charitable people on earth.
So then the flood was a big lie?
read the old testament Angel. God commanded 1000s killed.
would still like you to respond to http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...&postcount=256
I have read through this entire thread and find it both amusing and sad. Those of you like B2B and Miami Heat are so bitter and caught up in proving God doesn't exist. Well - you haven't and you never will!
Since you're so into "knowledge", I suggest you read the works of C.S. Lewis or read "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Both of these men where vocal unbelievers who set out to prove that God didn't exist and that christianity was a lie. Guess what? They instead became staunch believers! C.S. Lewis was no dummy, and Josh McDowell spent YEARS researching and reading everything he could get his hands on.
Now - from a believer's viewpoint: we believe God created the world and that nothing existed before the creation. The story of creation is found in Genesis - and with the creation of the world and man - history begins.
God knew Adam and Eve would fall; and thus, his plan for redemption was already formed. The first references to a saviour are found in the book of Genesis. Since we believe there was no history before Genesis, then it also stands to reason that all those other "gods" you referenced did not come before the mention of Jesus. All those were false gods and false religions that took the truth of God and twisted it to fit their own humanistic ideas. Thus, Jesus is the one and only, and all those others are poor imitations!
As for historical proof of Jesus - I give you these quotes:
"Some writers may toy with the fancy of a 'Christ-myth,' but they do not do so on the ground of historical evidence. The historicity of Christ is as axiomatic for an unbiased historian as the historicity of Julius Ceasar. It is not historians who propagate the 'Christ-myth', theories." F.F. Bruce, Rylands Professor of biblical criticism and exegesis at the University of Manchester.
Otto Benz concludes the "no serious scholar has ventured to postulate the non-historicity of Jesus."
Also - there are historical biblical do ents dating HUNDREDS of years BEFORE the birth of Jesus that prophecy is birth, death, and resurrection. There are over 300 hundred separate prophecies about Jesus - and it would be a statistical impossibility that all those prophecies were fulfilled in one man!
My final thought on this - my belief is based on faith and on experiencing the presence and power of God in my life. I've been a born-again christian for longer than many of you have been on this earth - and I've experienced first-hand the protection of God and his provision for me and my family. I'm not perfect my any means, and I sin regularly because I'm human. But the difference is that I feel the burden and guilt of my sin and go before God to confess my sins and shortcomings and pray for forgiveness and added strength to better withstand the temptations of this world. Nothing any of you say can or will change my beliefs - in fact, I sincerely feel great sorrow for those who choose to not believe.
Here are some scriptures to back up what I believe:
For we walk by faith, not by sight. II Corinthians 5:7
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. II Corinthians 5:10
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1
And these are two especially for all you unbelievers:
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Psalm 53:1
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:9-11
God exists.
Unfortunately humans have a way of mucking up the waters and confusing the issues...on both sides of the argument as to His existence. But God most certainly exists.
Are you seriously advocating Genesis as being literally true?
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