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    I think I have ESPN Deportes. Do you have any idea when Splitter and his club will make an appearance again?

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    I think I have ESPN Deportes. Do you have any idea when Splitter and his club will make an appearance again?
    I don't know when they are going to show the games but I noticed that ESPN360 will show some online.

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    FIBA Americas Qualifier: Day 8

    Tiago Splitter will have his left knee examined by Brazil's team doctors to determine the severity of his injury, following a collision with a Canadian player in the first game of Group X of the second round.

    "It was a shot to the knee," said Splitter after the game. "It hurts a little."

    Splitter suffered the knee injury almost at the end of the first half. Monsalve decided to bench him in the fourth quarter.

    "We will examine him and see what decision is made in terms of game time," said Monsalve, while watching the game between Panama and Uruguay.
    No wonder his minutes have been very low to none in the past few days

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    Splitter scored 17 points in a preseason win against Lagun Aro GBC.

    http://www.baskonia.com/es/noticias_...d_noticia=2356

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    Splitter begins the regular season on the 11th and the Euroleague on the 21st.

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    Splitter's stats for the first game of the season.

    7-11 FG, 6 Reb, 16 points

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    Thanks Libri. Are you actually able to watch the games, or are you reading the boxscores? How does Splitter look, is he pretty good defensively?

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    ^I have been reading the boxscores and some articles.

    I've been looking for live stream or video but I haven't been able to find one. If I do, I'll post it so that we can watch how he plays.

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    Spanish league has a live streaming feature this year. It's free until the end of the month, so enjoy it: http://acb360.orange.es/

    I've watched Nando's game yesterday and the quality is good.

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    Spanish league has a live streaming feature this year. It's free until the end of the month, so enjoy it: http://acb360.orange.es/

    I've watched Nando's game yesterday and the quality is good.
    That's excellent! Thanks for posting.

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    Okay this thread is showing that it has 12 pages, but when I click on pages 11 or 12 it goes back to page 10. Is the bug in the forum software getting worse? There's no way there's two pages of posts by people that are being ignored, is there?

    *remembers KBP*

    Oh yeah.

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    Okay this thread is showing that it has 12 pages, but when I click on pages 11 or 12 it goes back to page 10. Is the bug in the forum software getting worse? There's no way there's two pages of posts by people that are being ignored, is there?

    *remembers KBP*

    Oh yeah.
    maybe servers are buzy man, it happens in all the threads ive seen....

    hey any updates on nando besides splitter?

    looks like its only these 2 that are active atm in europe for the spurs, while every other rights we have stash in europe are just not living up to expectations....hey about sanikidz, how come he didnt get a invite for preseason?

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    Here is the listing for Thursday's Euroleague game for Splitter with Caja Laboral.

    Lottomatica Roma vs. Caja Laboral October 22, 2009 20:30 20:30
    Italy: SPOR ALIA (20:30 CET) Israel: CHANNEL 5 (20:30 CET)
    Spain: ETB 1 (20:30 CET) Greece: NOVASPORTS 3 (20:30 CET)
    Russia: NTV+ (20:30 CET) Internet: EUROLEAGUE.TV (20:30 CET)

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    http://www.euroleague.net/main/resul...asetypecode=RS

    Splitter's stats were okay versus Lottomatica but Caja loses by 12.

    Splitter 17 points, 9 Rebs, 4 Assists, 3 TO, 1 Blk in 33:50 minutes

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    Caja Laboral also lost by 25 against Barcelona at the Copa del Rey. They only have won games against average Spanish teams.

    For the moment, they are clearly one step behind their last year level.

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    http://www.euroleague.net/main/resul...asetypecode=RS

    Splitter's stats were okay versus Lottomatica but Caja loses by 12.

    Splitter 17 points, 9 Rebs, 4 Assists, 3 TO, 1 Blk in 33:50 minutes
    Caja could have lost by 20 or more, if Roma didn't take it easy in the last quarter.
    (to easy, they almost risked to allow Caja to come back). Caja doesn't look good, Roma isn't exactly a powerhouse, also not this season. Tiago is clearly the only top player left, after him they have a big quality gap. with Teletovic, who is a good player, he could form a decent front court, but they will starve with this weak back court.
    they are in a pretty strong group and might even struggle to make the top16. I guess they will still make it, but they won't make the top 8 play offs. no reason for Tiago to stay with this team after 2010, if he wants to win something.

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    Splitter scored 26 points on 10-14 shooting in 31 minutes in his latest Euroleague game against Maccabi. Also got seven boards, a block and two steals. Caja Laboral won 86-81.

    http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/...29_108_159.asp

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    I've watched the game and Splitter destroyed them on a low block. He was Duncanesque.

    He would definitively look great in silver and black.

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    I've watched the game and Splitter destroyed them on a low block. He was Duncanesque.

    He would definitively look great in silver and black.
    If we assume he's ready to leave Spain, is there anyone other than the top-2 Greek teams that could offer him enough to keep him away from the Spurs? Would they even be that interested given the bigs they already have under contract?

    I want to believe that it will take a really big offer to keep him out of the NBA this time around.

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    the near guarantee of a work stoppage might be enough to convince Splitter to stay in Europe.

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    If we assume he's ready to leave Spain, is there anyone other than the top-2 Greek teams that could offer him enough to keep him away from the Spurs? Would they even be that interested given the bigs they already have under contract?

    I want to believe that it will take a really big offer to keep him out of the NBA this time around.
    The threat could come from inside Spain.

    Something to know about Europe are quotas rules. In Spanish league, a team can only have 2 Americans players and 5 European players. The rest of the roster (4 or 5 players) must be filed with Spanish players. Besides the Brazilian nationality, Splitter has also the Spanish nationality and is considered as a Spanish player.

    Apply to that the law of the market: there are few quality Spanish players available and teams need a lot of them. A Spanish player will get more money than an European player of the same level and the American player will get the less money (that's why Darius Washington is Macedonian and Melvin Sanders Georgian).

    In Spain, there are two big teams with Barcelona and Real Madrid. They could make a big offer to Splitter (like €2.5M per year). He is also paid around €1.5M per year by Caja Laboral and could decide to stay with them.

    Outside Madrid, Barcelona, Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, I don't see a team right now able to offer him a lot of money. They were a lot of money in Russia a year ago but almost all the money is gone and isn't back for the moment.

    I don't know how bad Splitter want to play in NBA. When asked about it this summer, the whole "NBA is my dream" talk was gone and it was something like "we will talk in 2010 and see what their offer is."

    And we will see the dollar/Euro conversion rate will be newt summer but it doesn't look good on that side for the moment (€1 = $1.5)

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    The threat could come from inside Spain.

    Something to know about Europe are quotas rules. In Spanish league, a team can only have 2 Americans players and 5 European players. The rest of the roster (4 or 5 players) must be filed with Spanish players. Besides the Brazilian nationality, Splitter has also the Spanish nationality and is considered as a Spanish player.

    Apply to that the law of the market: there are few quality Spanish players available and teams need a lot of them. A Spanish player will get more money than an European player of the same level and the American player will get the less money (that's why Darius Washington is Macedonian and Melvin Sanders Georgian).

    In Spain, there are two big teams with Barcelona and Real Madrid. They could make a big offer to Splitter (like €2.5M per year). He is also paid around €1.5M per year by Caja Laboral and could decide to stay with them.

    Outside Madrid, Barcelona, Panathinaikos and Olympiacos, I don't see a team right now able to offer him a lot of money. They were a lot of money in Russia a year ago but almost all the money is gone and isn't back for the moment.

    I don't know how bad Splitter want to play in NBA. When asked about it this summer, the whole "NBA is my dream" talk was gone and it was something like "we will talk in 2010 and see what their offer is."

    And we will see the dollar/Euro conversion rate will be newt summer but it doesn't look good on that side for the moment (€1 = $1.5)
    Thanks.

    One or two more questions. My understanding is that Splitter has an NBA buyout clause. In other words, he pays the specified price and he is free to sign with an NBA team.

    Is the same true for a Spanish or Greek team? Is there a fixed number or must the price be negotiated? Is Caja Laboral obligated to release him if a certain price is offered? It seems as if the price would be very steep to let him go to another ACB team.

    Thanks again

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    Thanks.

    One or two more questions. My understanding is that Splitter has an NBA buyout clause. In other words, he pays the specified price and he is free to sign with an NBA team.

    Is the same true for a Spanish or Greek team? Is there a fixed number or must the price be negotiated? Is Caja Laboral obligated to release him if a certain price is offered? It seems as if the price would be very steep to let him go to another ACB team.

    Thanks again
    What was said when he signed his new contract is that he haw two buyouts: one for the NBA and one significantly bigger for another European team.

    If Splitter buyout works like the other European buyouts, the buyout number is fixed and Caja Laboral can't keep him if the buyout is paid. There can always have some negotiations to lower the buyout.

    Caja Laboral is a small team that made some of its money from selling its players. This summer they sold Prigioni and Vidal to Madrid. Getting the most money with Splitter is maybe more important than not seeing with a rival.

    You can imagine a scenario like:
    Splitter buyout for the NBA is €1M and is €5M for Europe.
    Spurs made an offer to Splitter and so does a top team in Europe.
    Splitter then said to Caja Laboral: "Either I go to the NBA and you get €1M or you accept to lower the buyout to another European team at €3M, I sign with them and you get €3M"
    IMO, Caja Laboral will make the money choice.

    Even if in his contract Splitter's buyout for Europe is ten times higher than for the NBA, it doesn't really matter.

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    What was said when he signed his new contract is that he haw two buyouts: one for the NBA and one significantly bigger for another European team.

    If Splitter buyout works like the other European buyouts, the buyout number is fixed and Caja Laboral can't keep him if the buyout is paid. There can always have some negotiations to lower the buyout.

    Caja Laboral is a small team that made some of its money from selling its players. This summer they sold Prigioni and Vidal to Madrid. Getting the most money with Splitter is maybe more important than not seeing with a rival.

    You can imagine a scenario like:
    Splitter buyout for the NBA is €1M and is €5M for Europe.
    Spurs made an offer to Splitter and so does a top team in Europe.
    Splitter then said to Caja Laboral: "Either I go to the NBA and you get €1M or you accept to lower the buyout to another European team at €3M, I sign with them and you get €3M"
    IMO, Caja Laboral will make the money choice.

    Even if in his contract Splitter's buyout for Europe is ten times higher than for the NBA, it doesn't really matter.
    Interesting, thanks again.

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    What was said when he signed his new contract is that he haw two buyouts: one for the NBA and one significantly bigger for another European team.

    If Splitter buyout works like the other European buyouts, the buyout number is fixed and Caja Laboral can't keep him if the buyout is paid. There can always have some negotiations to lower the buyout.

    Caja Laboral is a small team that made some of its money from selling its players. This summer they sold Prigioni and Vidal to Madrid. Getting the most money with Splitter is maybe more important than not seeing with a rival.

    You can imagine a scenario like:
    Splitter buyout for the NBA is €1M and is €5M for Europe.
    Spurs made an offer to Splitter and so does a top team in Europe.
    Splitter then said to Caja Laboral: "Either I go to the NBA and you get €1M or you accept to lower the buyout to another European team at €3M, I sign with them and you get €3M"
    IMO, Caja Laboral will make the money choice.

    Even if in his contract Splitter's buyout for Europe is ten times higher than for the NBA, it doesn't really matter.
    Awesome insight. Considering what you have explained, and assuming European clubs will also enter the bidding next summer, how much do you think the Spurs will have to offer Splitter to entice him to come to SA?

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