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    Rules which allow half of the teams to play their home Greek League games in facilities that seat less than 3000 fans.
    "Facilities" = racist propaganda

    But I see you are trying to get more "clever" with your racism now. You must be getting worried. But still your attempts are very small brained.

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    That would represent a 50% attendance increase for Panellionis home Eurocup games.
    Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.

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    So you're saying there is video of the newly improved small ty Greek arenas.

    Post them.
    You fool I am saying that on TV you can watch the game, see the arena see the changes and even be told of the capacities. Which also by the way are all almost all of them wrong on that site.

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    "Facilities" = racist propaganda
    You're really losing it now.

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    manufan = angry that his racism is getting complaints
    Kill_Bill_Pana, I'm not angry. I'm also not being a racist. If I am, prove it. Again, don't be so selective. You are the arrogant one. You are the one who has incessantly called me out for no apparent reason. I've only tried to keep my posts civilized. Still you persist to call me out and insult me. When I continue to post in a civil manner you ignore it. Again, prove that I've been racist, ignorant, or arrogant in any of my posts. Prove that I've been insulting, using bad language or any of the like.

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    Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.
    So how many tickets are ALL?

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    Panellinios play their Greek game home games in their small arena. They may have changed the parking lot and painted the field with new sponsors, but there were no major changes. I think it seats 1,500 fans. They play their games in the iniko arena in the old airport (that, btw, it's one of the nicest arenas I've ever visited, Europe or America).

    Who cares about the capacity of the Greek Arenas? Except in some games with the major teams, especially in the Euroleague, there are only a few hundred of guys actually seeing them. I think the A1 average attendance last season was less than 2.000 per game.
    Again they do NOT count season tickets at the gate. They also NEVER count the soccer tickets at the gate from people who see a soccer match. The attendance is far FAR more than 2,000.

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    So how many tickets are ALL?
    1,200 season tickets. So NBA "attendance" means they had 1,200 for EVERY game. But Mel is so stupid that he can't even count.

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    Panellinios play their Greek game home games in their small arena. They may have changed the parking lot and painted the field with new sponsors, but there were no major changes. I think it seats 1,500 fans. They play their games in the iniko arena in the old airport (that, btw, it's one of the nicest arenas I've ever visited, Europe or America).

    Who cares about the capacity of the Greek Arenas? Except in some games with the major teams, especially in the Euroleague, there are only a few hundred of guys actually seeing them. I think the A1 average attendance last season was less than 2.000 per game.
    But posters here said several times the arena is only 800. They then claim "I never lied"

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    Another lie. I already told you in Greece season tickets are banned from being counted. Panellinios sold ALL season tickets every year. You stupid jerk.
    So they sold out their 1200 seat arena for their Greek League home games with season tickets?

    And they're 'banned' from including the number of season tickets when they report total attendance?

    By that logic, reported total attendance would be zero for every one of their home Greek League games.

    Now you've told some big fibs in your time, but this is a good one.

    If you can produce any reputable public source that shows reported attendance of zero for any Panellionis home Greek League game, I will never post in a thread after you have posted ever again.

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    Kill_Bill_Pana, I'm not angry. I'm also not being a racist. If I am, prove it. Again, don't be so selective. You are the arrogant one. You are the one who has incessantly called me out for no apparent reason. I've only tried to keep my posts civilized. Still you persist to call me out and insult me. When I continue to post in a civil manner you ignore it. Again, prove that I've been racist, ignorant, or arrogant in any of my posts. Prove that I've been insulting, using bad language or any of the like.
    Ignorance is bliss. You are ignorant so because of that you cannot grasp the truth.

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    1,200 season tickets. So NBA "attendance" means they had 1,200 for EVERY game. But Mel is so stupid that he can't even count.
    So you're saying they counted actual attendance and not tickets sold.

    Ok.

    Even if you added 1,200 to all the Eurocup attendance figures, they would still suck.

    2,000 people in a 15,000 seat arena sucks.

    They are better off staying in their ty small arena -- which is precisely what they do for their own league games.

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    So they sold out their 1200 seat arena for their Greek League home games with season tickets?

    And they're 'banned' from including the number of season tickets when they report total attendance?

    By that logic, reported total attendance would be zero for every one of their home Greek League games.

    Now you've told some big fibs in your time, but this is a good one.

    If you can produce any reputable public source that shows reported attendance of zero for any Panellionis home Greek League game, I will never post in a thread after you have posted ever again.
    You clearly are re ed.

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    But posters here said several times the arena is only 800.
    No one ever said that -- not that I saw. I certainly didn't.
    They then claim "I never lied"
    They can truthfully claim they never said capacity of 800.

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    So you're saying they counted actual attendance and not tickets sold.

    Ok.

    Even if you added 1,200 to all the Eurocup attendance figures, they would still suck.

    2,000 people in a 15,000 seat arena sucks.

    They are better off staying in their ty small arena -- which is precisely what they do for their own league games.
    Like I said Euroleague and Eurocupo have rules. 5,000 minimum arena. Panellinios is not better off to ignore this because that means they are not having a good record every year.

    But then Mountainballer had to jump in with his lies to start a fight in another thread.

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    Like I said Euroleague and Eurocupo have rules. 5,000 minimum arena. Panellinios is not better off to ignore this because that means they are not having a good record every year.
    So their attendance in the large arena sucks.

    Ok.

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    KBP, the moderator has just informed me that you will be permanently banned for your continuing lies, foul mouth and bashing of Americans.

    The moderators have heard the case I have made against you and agreed with me over you. I wanted to give you fair warning, man to man. Sorry it had to come to this, but you would not stop and what you did was clearly wrong.

    If you apologize and clean up your act, I might consider having them change their minds. If not, you will be banned, probably in the next few days as they mods put together their case against you.

    Sorry it had to come to this. I love Greece Basketball.

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    You clearly are re ed.
    You said the low reported attendance figures are due to a 'ban' on including season tickets in reported totals.

    You said they sold 1200 season tickets.

    They have a 1200 seat arena.

    Using the information you provided, the logical conclusion is that when the 1200 season ticket holders take their seats in the 1200 arena, the official attendance would be reported as zero.

    Bizarre conclusions can result when they are based on information that you provide, but there it is.

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    No one ever said that -- not that I saw. I certainly didn't.They can truthfully claim they never said capacity of 800.
    There was a post that said they have 800 arena. The actual capacity is something like 1,500 to 1,700 to maybe 2,000 probably.

    Let me put it like this. Maroussi arena is listed at the stadia.gr as 1,350 and eurobasket.com says 1,700. I would have to look at ESAKE and at Maroussi basket for more listings.

    But I am sure they are all saying something like 1,300 to 1,700.

    But the fact is these arenas add small amount of seats gradually over time. About once every couple years Maroussi adds some seats. Definitely the arena is able to hold over 2,000 people now but will you see this listed anywhere?

    You NBA fans are absurdly arrogant and racist and have bizarre and strange fixations and ideas. And you force your world view and your culture onto everything else. Maybe in US how big your arena is means you are a better team but it does not mean in Greece.

    No one cares to go make websites posting daily images and capacities of arenas because no one is so stupid and brain washed by bull marketing to believe that arena size = "pro basketball" like all NBA fans are brain washed and are disturbed really on this subject.

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    You said the low reported attendance figures are due to a 'ban' on including season tickets in reported totals.

    You said they sold 1200 season tickets.

    They have a 1200 seat arena.

    Using the information you provided, the logical conclusion is that when the 1200 season ticket holders take their seats in the 1200 arena, the official attendance would be reported as zero.

    Bizarre conclusions can result when they are based on information that you provide, but there it is.
    Chumpdumper is obviously much smarter than you.

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    So their attendance in the large arena sucks.

    Ok.
    In never argued this. You only make up any "facts" to support your false "arguments".

    Of course the attendance in a different area and during the same times when Panionios, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos are all playing in European games in Athens is a problem.

    5 teams from Athens in the games.

    Are you telling me that San Antonio would sell out NBA games if it had 5 NBA teams in the city? I guess in your world "view" this means "Greeks don't attend basketball games".

    You show may anywhere that will sell out FIVE games for the same city.

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    Chumpdumper is obviously much smarter than you.

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    But the fact is these arenas add small amount of seats gradually over time. About once every couple years Maroussi adds some seats. Definitely the arena is able to hold over 2,000 people now but will you see this listed anywhere?
    Maroussi says on their own website they don't hold that much.

    You NBA fans are absurdly arrogant and racist and have bizarre and strange fixations and ideas. And you force your world view and your culture onto everything else. Maybe in US how big your arena is means you are a better team but it does not mean in Greece.
    I said nothing about the quality of the teams. That is your strange fixation. My criteria for a good first division arena are pretty straightforward:

    1) Hold more than 3,000 people.

    2) No bench seating.

    3) No patio furniture.

    No one cares to go make websites posting daily images and capacities of arenas because no one is so stupid and brain washed by bull marketing to believe that arena size = "pro basketball" like all NBA fans are brain washed and are disturbed really on this subject.
    Who asked for daily images?

    No one.

    You lied about that.

    I asked for a shot of the arena, any shot, that had been taken in the last year -- you know, when these alleged basketball games were played.

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    In never argued this. You only make up any "facts" to support your false "arguments".

    Of course the attendance in a different area and during the same times when Panionios, Olympiacos, Panathinaikos are all playing in European games in Athens is a problem.

    5 teams from Athens in the games.

    Are you telling me that San Antonio would sell out NBA games if it had 5 NBA teams in the city? I guess in your world "view" this means "Greeks don't attend basketball games".

    You show may anywhere that will sell out FIVE games for the same city.
    In my world view, Greeks are stupid to have that many huge venues in the city that no one wants to rent unless they are forced to by compe ion rules.

    Stick to the small ty ones.

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    Hey! I finally found a Spanish arena I can bash!



    Take that, Nou Congost!

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