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It is clearly written in the NBA bible that anything less that a Laker championship is sacrilege. Geeeeeeeez I would have thought you knew that by now.
Why does bashing one mean I have to like the other? Why can't I think both of them are self-centered assholes?
It is clearly written in the NBA bible that anything less that a Laker championship is sacrilege. Geeeeeeeez I would have thought you knew that by now.
That's got nothing to the do with my post.
That wasn't your original point. You said, "If Carmelo is capable of developing his overall game, then Amare sure as is," and the problem there is Melo didn't get better on his own, he needed Billups' leadership to hold his hand.
Amare being unable to improve the intangibles of his game is a completely different issue.
I don't buy that premise. My point is that Amare shouldn't need a veteran mentor to become a more complete player.
Why are you arguing with me like I'm some huge ass Amare fan?
If I read your original argument correctly, you said Chauncey Billups could get Amare to hustle and play D better than Nash could.
Findog, I'll repeat this in a different way. In order for an argument or disagreement to occur, 2 people have to disagree. 9 out of every 10 Suns fans at this point agree Amare is lazy, selfish, and stupid. 999 out of every 1000 Suns fans think the same thing about J-Rich now. There's no point in repeating an opinion about those two that everyone else agrees with.
If a bunch of people were out there calling Jason Richardson a hard working unselfish great team leader, I'd be whining just as much about him as I do about Nash.
You don't think playing with Billups instead of Nash would make Amare a better defender?
Impossible to say. I think Billups is probably the biggest reason the Nuggets went from the 8th to 2nd seed, but I've been reading up on the 08 Nuggets, and I think there are several factors for their improvement:
- Camby's departure opened up more PT for Nene, who is better and managed to stay healthy
- Birdman filled Camby's role at a fraction of the price
- Karl and the coaching staff made a conscious decision to place more emphasis on defense instead of trying to outscore other teams
- They signed Dahntay Jones to be a Bowen-like pest
- The Iverson trade was of course part of that effort to overhaul the D
- Kenyon Martin had butted heads with Karl, but they came to some sort of understanding and he made more of a commitment to playing unselfishly
- JR Smith is still y and still takes some bad shots, but I saw him make more effort on D.
I think all of those things helped Carmelo become a more complete player. The Nuggets entire organization made a conscious effort to change the culture. Billups was part of that, but by no means was he the only reason they changed for the better.
The one thing we can all learn from this thread:
No matter how good or bad Nash is, his greatest achievement was dismantling the gargantuan powerhouse 2006 Lakers.
And they wouldn't have been able to change the culture if a ball hawking moron who plays self-serving defense was still starting at PG.
Yes, he always settled.
And if you were wondering why I'm so pissed off and frustrated, it's cause I want the team to make a dedicated effort to change the culture, instead they're doing just the opposite by extending Nash and Alvin "I start Matt Barnes at power forward" Gentry.
"The Nuggets entire organization made a conscious effort to change the culture."
Please. Two months ago Vs. the Lakers they acted like complete jackasses, Billups included. Grinnin', skinnin', laughin', muggin', trippin'...though after the trippin' the other 'ins' were reduced significantly. It reminded one of how the Suns acted Vs. the Lakers in '06.
No one on the Suns ever killed their friend in a car accident.
And no matter how y, undisciplined and stupid they acted, the fact is they were a lot less y, a lot more disciplined, and a lot less dumb than they were a year ago.
They went from the 8th seed to the 2nd, 50 wins to 54. I didn't say they became champions; I said they became better on defense and a better team overall. You can't dispute that. They went from meekly getting swept by LA to extending them to 6 games.
The 2009 Nuggets would get swept by the 2006 Lakers.
Any team that shows any sort of emotion when playing LA is full of arrogant, y thugs who will have bad KARMA for being happy when they play well against LA. One of the many lessons this thread has enlightened us with.
Why do you hate white people DOK? I remember that one thread where you were ting all over Rubio and white euros in general and you happen to despise Steve Nash more than me somehow despite being a Suns fan.
Iverson anyone. Notice how much better Denver got when he left. But his defense will never get the criticism that Nash's does.
I hate how people automatically assume all white players are hard working, compe ive players. There are lazy white players just like there are lazy black players.
One white play working lazily is more than enough to deceive you that the white players are generally lazy, as the white players are in underwhelming minority in NBA and the names of white players you can think of are quite calculable even with a single hand. Peja is white and works lazily, but he is himself only. Generally the white players are hardworking and smart like Dirk and JJB, and Kidd as well when he's considered white.
Perhaps, but, Mustaf contracted his best friend to murder the mother of his child.
I got no problem with emotion, but, the Nuggets acted like jagoffs during that series....same with the Suns. I realize it's the Kobe factor, but, tough . It was good to see even Billups stoop to it, get down into the with his fellow Nugs. And Bell, he's never been the same since he assaulted Kobe. Just a s since that very day. Blew his entire wad.
Neither the Nuggets nor the Suns benefited whatsoever from their nefarious actions.
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