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    You're free to question the religion of sexuality all you want. I think what most people have a problem with is that if you want to use the God's definition of marriage arguement when it comes to gays then you need to defend why that standard isn't applied equitably. Why is it only the gays who society needs to prevent from altering God's definition to their own purposes?
    Good point.

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    You're free to question the religion of sexuality all you want. I think what most people have a problem with is that if you want to use the God's definition of marriage arguement when it comes to gays then you need to defend why that standard isn't applied equitably. Why is it only the gays who society needs to prevent from altering God's definition to their own purposes?
    so gays want to alter God's definition of marriage? The onle people who use God's definition are the bigots trying to deny gay people from marrying.

    Hey McFly most of the same sex marriage crowd just want legal benefits and could care less about God's defnitions marriage and a church wedding. Why are you so willing to deny their partners legal rights?

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    The children out of wedlock are a problem too. Europe, Asia, US and Canada have huge population problems. There are not enough young people to take the jobs in the next 10-30 years. America isn't in as much of trouble because of immigration. If you have empirical data to show I am misguided idea, then I would love to see it.
    (Aug. 12, 2009) Global population numbers are on track to reach 7 billion in 2011, just 12 years after reaching 6 billion in 1999. Virtually all of the growth is in developing countries. And the growth of the world’s youth population (ages 15 to 24) is shifting into the poorest of those countries.
    The Population Reference Bureau's 2009 World Population Data Sheet and its summary report, to be released on Aug. 12, offer detailed information about country, regional, and global population patterns.
    "Even with declining fertility rates in many countries, world population is still growing at a rapid rate,” said Bill Butz, PRB's president. "The increase from 6 billion to 7 billion is likely to take 12 years, as did the increase from 5 billion to 6 billion. Both events are unprecedented in world history."
    The projection for population growth in developing countries assumes that fertility in those countries will fall to the same low levels as in today's developed countries, around two children per woman. That is quite an assumption. Currently, the highest fertility rate is in Niger, 7.4 children per woman. The lowest rate is in Taiwan, 1.0 children per woman.
    "The great bulk of today's 1.2 billion youth—nearly 90 percent—are in developing countries," said Carl Haub, PRB senior demographer and co-author of the data sheet. Eight in 10 of those youth live in Africa and Asia. "During the next few decades, these young people will most likely continue the current trend of moving from rural areas to cities in search of education and training opportunities, gainful employment, and adequate health care." One of the major social questions of the next few decades is whether their expectations will be met.
    The 2009 World Population Data Sheet provides up-to-date demographic, health, and environment data for all the countries and major regions of the world. It shows just how stark the contrasts are between rich and poor countries, as illustrated by the table with data from the United States, Canada, and Uganda.
    Even though Canada and Uganda have close to the same population today, Uganda is projected to have more than double Canada's population by 2050. The cause of these enormous differences is the difference in lifetime births per woman. Ugandan women have 6.7 children on average, five more than the average for Canadian women. (30% of the canadian population is younger than the age of 24).


    Other highlights from the 2009 World Population Data Sheet:
    Africa's population has just passed 1 billion. The continent's population is growing by about 24 million per year, and will double by 2050.
    About half the world lives in poverty. Nearly 50 percent of world population lives on less than the equivalent of US$2 per day. Hundreds of millions of people live barely above that level.
    HIV prevalence now appears to be on the decline in Africa, but rates are still far higher than in other world regions. Swaziland has the world's highest rate of HIV: 26 percent of its population ages 15 to 49 is HIV positive.
    The birth rate among U.S. teenagers is twice as high as the average for all developed countries. The U.S. rate is 42 births per 1,000 teenage girls (ages 15-19); the rate for all developed countries is 21 per 1,000.

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    so gays want to alter God's definition of marriage? The onle people who use God's definition are the bigots trying to deny gay people from marrying.

    Hey McFly most of the same sex marriage crowd just want legal benefits and could care less about God's defnitions marriage and a church wedding. Why are you so willing to deny their partners legal rights?
    Hey McFly, I've got no problems with gay marriage. I've said that repeatedly. In this thread alone I've made multiple posts attacking the "God's definition" arguement that gets used against gay marriage as being fundamentally flawed. Including the very post that you responded to.

    It's posts like this that make it impossible to take you seriously. You either lack the basic reading comprehension skills to recognize that we actually agree on this topic or you're just going out of your way to behave like a jackass because that's how you get your jollies. So which is it?

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    Apparently God is a lot more understanding when it comes to aetheists getting married and couples getting divorced. Forming a covenant outside of a relationship with God and calling that a marriage = okay. Breaking up a marriage that God said should stand forever = okay. But when it comes to the gays, by goodness, that's the one line that must be held.
    This has nothing to do with God, even though bigots like SnC will try to make it all about that. This has to do with the government granting about 1200 special rights to the en y of marriage, be it secular or not, and discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation when it comes to granting those rights. If they would grant the exact same rights under the civil union mantra, this would be much less of a problem, if a problem at all.
    This is an issue of law, not an issue of faith.

    So, in a nuts , I agree with you...

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    Hey McFly, I've got no problems with gay marriage. I've said that repeatedly. In this thread alone I've made multiple posts attacking the "God's definition" arguement that gets used against gay marriage as being fundamentally flawed. Including the very post that you responded to.

    It's posts like this that make it impossible to take you seriously. You either lack the basic reading comprehension skills to recognize that we actually agree on this topic or you're just going out of your way to behave like a jackass because that's how you get your jollies. So which is it?
    I rarely if ever read your posts so it's neither.

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    This has nothing to do with God, even though bigots like SnC will try to make it all about that. This has to do with the government granting about 1200 special rights to the en y of marriage, be it secular or not, and discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation when it comes to granting those rights. If they would grant the exact same rights under the civil union mantra, this would be much less of a problem, if a problem at all.
    This is an issue of law, not an issue of faith.
    I agree. Trying to make it about faith is just trying to use the concept of religion as a justification for prejudice. Even when someone does try to use the faith angle, the arguement is still fundamentally flawed, or at a bare minimum, inconsistently applied.

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    I rarely if ever read your posts so it's neither.
    That clearly hasn't stopped you from responding to them. Perhaps you should start reading them if you plan to continue responding to them so as to prevent yourself from looking foolish.

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    This has nothing to do with God, even though bigots like SnC will try to make it all about that. This has to do with the government granting about 1200 special rights to the en y of marriage, be it secular or not, and discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation when it comes to granting those rights. If they would grant the exact same rights under the civil union mantra, this would be much less of a problem, if a problem at all.
    This is an issue of law, not an issue of faith.

    So, in a nuts , I agree with you...
    exactly. but there will be those who continue to buy into this being about morality. this is all about $$$ to those who broker the DOM act. clinton could care less about the "sanc y of marriage". just ask his wife.

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    That clearly hasn't stopped you from responding to them. Perhaps you should start reading them if you plan to continue responding to them so as to prevent yourself from looking foolish.
    I may read a post but not all of them because we have established you lack intellectual integrity oand basic logical thinking skills so I don't waste my time with 90% of them.

    can't forget you read minds and talk to God directly so how can I pass that up?

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    This has nothing to do with God, even though bigots like SnC will try to make it all about that. This has to do with the government granting about 1200 special rights to the en y of marriage, be it secular or not, and discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation when it comes to granting those rights. If they would grant the exact same rights under the civil union mantra, this would be much less of a problem, if a problem at all.
    This is an issue of law, not an issue of faith.

    So, in a nuts , I agree with you...
    Main Entry: big·ot
    Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
    Date: 1660
    : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
    — big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
    — big·ot·ed·ly adverb

    I guess you want to change the definition of bigot too. Here is a definition I know fits you: ignorant. Also immature.

    Now since this is now about laws. How about the laws. Why should we change the definition? Gay marriage is not the same as a regular marriage. The leadership of a society should promote marriage, which is why all the benefits come to marriage. What are the benefits for our society from gay marriage.
    With that said, if they do a gay unions and they get their rights-fine. Although it should be a state decision and voted on by the population and not by their more enlightened elected officials.

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    I may read a post but not all of them because we have established you lack intellectual integrity oand basic logical thinking skills so I don't waste my time with 90% of them.
    Sweet. Only 10% more to go.

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    (Aug. 12, 2009) Global population numbers are on track to reach 7 billion in 2011, just 12 years after reaching 6 billion in 1999. Virtually all of the growth is in developing countries. And the growth of the world’s youth population (ages 15 to 24) is shifting into the poorest of those countries.
    The Population Reference Bureau's 2009 World Population Data Sheet and its summary report, to be released on Aug. 12, offer detailed information about country, regional, and global population patterns.
    "Even with declining fertility rates in many countries, world population is still growing at a rapid rate,” said Bill Butz, PRB's president. "The increase from 6 billion to 7 billion is likely to take 12 years, as did the increase from 5 billion to 6 billion. Both events are unprecedented in world history."
    The projection for population growth in developing countries assumes that fertility in those countries will fall to the same low levels as in today's developed countries, around two children per woman. That is quite an assumption. Currently, the highest fertility rate is in Niger, 7.4 children per woman. The lowest rate is in Taiwan, 1.0 children per woman.
    "The great bulk of today's 1.2 billion youth—nearly 90 percent—are in developing countries," said Carl Haub, PRB senior demographer and co-author of the data sheet. Eight in 10 of those youth live in Africa and Asia. "During the next few decades, these young people will most likely continue the current trend of moving from rural areas to cities in search of education and training opportunities, gainful employment, and adequate health care." One of the major social questions of the next few decades is whether their expectations will be met.
    The 2009 World Population Data Sheet provides up-to-date demographic, health, and environment data for all the countries and major regions of the world. It shows just how stark the contrasts are between rich and poor countries, as illustrated by the table with data from the United States, Canada, and Uganda.
    Even though Canada and Uganda have close to the same population today, Uganda is projected to have more than double Canada's population by 2050. The cause of these enormous differences is the difference in lifetime births per woman. Ugandan women have 6.7 children on average, five more than the average for Canadian women. (30% of the canadian population is younger than the age of 24).


    Other highlights from the 2009 World Population Data Sheet:
    Africa's population has just passed 1 billion. The continent's population is growing by about 24 million per year, and will double by 2050.
    About half the world lives in poverty. Nearly 50 percent of world population lives on less than the equivalent of US$2 per day. Hundreds of millions of people live barely above that level.
    HIV prevalence now appears to be on the decline in Africa, but rates are still far higher than in other world regions. Swaziland has the world's highest rate of HIV: 26 percent of its population ages 15 to 49 is HIV positive.
    The birth rate among U.S. teenagers is twice as high as the average for all developed countries. The U.S. rate is 42 births per 1,000 teenage girls (ages 15-19); the rate for all developed countries is 21 per 1,000.


    http://base.china-europa-forum.net/r...ment-1108.html

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    so? you gave me an article showing that the population control measures put into effect by china have created an extrapolation that indicates their could be some relief in the near future (2026) and then be just above a meager one billion (wow-that would make them nearly extinct) in the year 2100. and then the rest of the article talks about the aging population and the need to address medical concerns for such a demographic. it makes no mention of any threat to the younger demographic or of that group being at scarce numbers at all. it says nothing to dispute the statistic indicating that 90 percent of the nearly 2 billion youth in the world are from either asia or africa. it simply states that dependency ratios may reach more manageable numbers. a major concern for china (and thus the fertility measures)

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    so? you gave me an article showing that the population control measures put into effect by china have created an extrapolation that indicates their could be some relief in the near future (2026) and then be just above a meager one billion (wow-that would make them nearly extinct) in the year 2100. and then the rest of the article talks about the aging population and the need to address medical concerns for such a demographic. it makes no mention of any threat to the younger demographic or of that group being at scarce numbers at all. it says nothing to dispute the statistic indicating that 90 percent of the nearly 2 billion youth in the world are from either asia or africa. it simply states that dependency ratios may reach more manageable numbers. a major concern for china (and thus the fertility measures)
    What I said was that china, not asia, was going to have problems filling the jobs and did not have an overpopulation problem. You give me data about asia and africa. then you put america on it's own measurement, without icluding it in N America continent.

    "(1) The population forecast for the first half of this century shows that the ageing population in China will grow constantly , but will gradually decline by the second half of the century. (2) By 2053 the elderly population aged 60 and over will peak at 430 million, after which the curve will gradually flatten. "
    They base this only on the idea that china will immigrate, in which china has shown little evidence that they would.

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    Main Entry: big·ot
    Pronunciation: \ˈbi-gət\
    Function: noun
    Etymology: French, hypocrite, bigot
    Date: 1660
    : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
    — big·ot·ed \-gə-təd\ adjective
    — big·ot·ed·ly adverb

    Now since this is now about laws. How about the laws. Why should we change the definition? Gay marriage is not the same as a regular marriage. The leadership of a society should promote marriage, which is why all the benefits come to marriage. What are the benefits for our society from gay marriage.
    I mean, do you read what you write?
    To say that gay marriage is not the same as non-gay marriage is entirely your own prejudiced opinion. Tell me, how is gay marriage any different than regular marriage of a couple that either cannot or decide not to have offspring? Under what premise the later is acceptable and deemed to benefit our society, but the former is not?
    Furthermore, state laws have actually been recently altered in order to specifically ban gay marriages. So the one altering laws and state cons utions are you, the bigot thumpers.

    With that said, if they do a gay unions and they get their rights-fine. Although it should be a state decision and voted on by the population and not by their more enlightened elected officials.
    It's not a matter of popular vote. It's a matter of enforcing cons utional rights. Namely, the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th amendment.

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    What I said was that china, not asia, was going to have problems filling the jobs and did not have an overpopulation problem. You give me data about asia and africa. then you put america on it's own measurement, without icluding it in N America continent.

    "(1) The population forecast for the first half of this century shows that the ageing population in China will grow constantly , but will gradually decline by the second half of the century. (2) By 2053 the elderly population aged 60 and over will peak at 430 million, after which the curve will gradually flatten. "
    They base this only on the idea that china will immigrate, in which china has shown little evidence that they would.
    so if there are going to be over 430 million people over the age of 60 in the year 2053 what age does that make them now? that means there are 430 million people at least at the age of under 16 in China. if the proportion of the elderly is at 30% in the year 2011 then that means there will be at least 30% of the total population under the age of 10 in the year 2050.

    the problem with china filling jobs is due to rural issues and hiring practices.

    According toZhong Naiyi, a researcher at Shanghai Ins ute for International Studies, what has caused the labor shortage is the fact that although farmers' income has risen in recent years, migrant workers haven't seen much growth in their income. As a result, farmers feel less inclined to leave for a city job.

    In January 2004, the first year of the labor shortage, the government issued new rules to extend the land contract time for farmers in order to improve productivity. Many migrant workers then left their jobs in cities and went back to their villages. Also that year, farmers received additional subsidies from the central government because of a short supply of grains. Over the past three years, the central government has stepped up its efforts to help farmers by lowering taxes and improving their incomes. All those measures have helped narrow the income gap between farmers and migrant workers. As a result, says Zhong, "it pays better to stay with" farming.
    About 150 million farmers in China are currently idle. As productivity continues to improve -- even with slower growth in the farmer population -- that number is expected to stay between 120 million and 180 million over the next 15 years. In theory, those "unemployed" farmers would have to go to cities for jobs.

    Yu Nanping, a researcher at East China Normal University, notes that it is because of the population structure -- not the shortage of workers -- that Chinese enterprises are having a hard time filling positions. In general, the supply of laborers still exceeds the demand due to the 150 million unemployed farmers. Part of this is caused by the fact that labor-intensive enterprises prefer to hire younger workers.

    For example, says Yu, "Zhejiang Province has a very advanced textile industry and therefore is in need of many female workers between the ages of 18 and 25. The city of Shaoxing, for instance, has experienced a labor shortage this year. The preference for younger workers" only adds to the problem. In addition, thanks to the growing economy and technological advances, there is a growing demand from enterprises for technical expertise. This year, 30% to 40% of the 400,000 unfilled jobs in Shenzhen are technical positions. That figure is 20% to 30% in Guangzhou. "Most of China's migrant workers today are involved in jobs that require no technical skills, and so [these workers] are easily replaceable," Yu adds. "They must try to gain knowledge and technical expertise."

    http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/p...articleid=1473

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    my advice is to source your statement and I do take my own advice as often as possible.

    you saying



    is implying that there are studies that close out the theory you have that a large percent of molested children grow up and choose to have sexual relationships.

    I'm simply asking for your source.

    If you are wasting time on a message board posting crap off as the truth, the maybe you should take your own advice and have your family take you out of your misery.
    I'll keep looking for the source.

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    If they would grant the exact same rights under the civil union mantra, this would be much less of a problem, if a problem at all.
    I completely disagree with this statement. If you can refer to the two ins utions separately, then you can change each independently and therefore destroy the initial equality easily. With how amendments are always added at the last second by bag senators and representatives who hold votes hostage if they don't get their cut, the definitions would almost certainly deviate and do it quickly.

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    Seriously, you've got issues. Is someone who thinks of people who don't agree with re-defining marriage as "bigots" seriously going to lecture me when it's patently obvious he's never been able to respect opinions? You sit in judgment and make crass simplifications that simply aren't true, because you don't know what you're talking about.
    bigotry - intolerance toward those of different creeds or religious affiliations
    gw820lodge.tripod.com/education/MDictionary.htm

    you're a bigot. you have not only an intolerance but also a hate towards people of a different creed. in this case sexuals

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    bigotry - intolerance toward those of different creeds or religious affiliations
    gw820lodge.tripod.com/education/MDictionary.htm

    you're a bigot. you have not only an intolerance but also a hate towards people of a different creed. in this case sexuals
    Your an asshole. I have never stated any hate for any group. I'm not intolerant about anyone's way of life. I used merriam webster. YOu use a mason dictionary. Seriously???

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    I rarely if ever read your posts so it's neither.
    that's a shame. You'd probably learn something from CG.

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    Your an asshole. I have never stated any hate for any group. I'm not intolerant about anyone's way of life. I used merriam webster. YOu use a mason dictionary. Seriously???
    I quoted MiamiHeat you head

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    I quoted MiamiHeat you head
    touche
    I don't think his beliefs he has stated on this op would show any kind of bigotry.

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    touche
    I don't think his beliefs he has stated on this op would show any kind of bigotry.
    except he thinks that sexuals (a different creed to himself) are wrong, disgusting, perverted beings.

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