Why won't God heal amputees?

[mingus]

It's faith, I'm not making blanket statements about Gods existence. It's scary though how emotional and riled up Athiests can get that they dupe themselves into thinking they know the answer when they don't.

[Drachen]

I think it was necessarily offensive from the beginning, and is almost always taken as such from believers. People are going to get offended and call it rude when someone makes a logically equivalent argument that leads to such an obviously asinine conclusion in the pastafarian religion. It was put out to get laughs at the expense of Christian fundamentalists.

You and I disagree here. Was it funny? yes, but I think it served to provide a little perspective too. I won't deny that this perspective was probably lost on its intended audience, but I don't think it was meant to be hurtful (originally).

No, though most people I know are either Christians, Jews, or Muslims with an occasional deist thrown in the mix. I hate the idea that atheists need to show some kind of respect for religion so as to not step on anyone's toes. I'm sure I qualify under the militant label for calling the bible's god a sociopath, but I would have long since gotten the needle for doing the work of Jehovah.

I don't think atheists in particular need to show some kind of respect for religion either. I think that each should show respect for the other (like I said, don't force your on me, and you can expect the same courtesy from me).

Let me ask you. If Christians didn't stick their nose into your life (legislatively, or otherwise), would you still go around trying to point out all of their faults the way that you do?

[mingus]

lol you still don't get how the flying spaghetti monster works



it's ing sad when people that believe in an imaginary god try to force their imaginary god's moral code system down the rest of society's throats.

What kind of system of logic are u using to where you don't need evidence to make blanket statements?

[baseline bum]

Calling an imagined god imaginary is a blanket statement?

[vy65]

It's faith, I'm not making blanket statements about Gods existence. It's scary though how emotional and riled up Athiests can get that they dupe themselves into thinking they know the answer when they don't.

If it's faith then you shouldn't be caught up with making "arguments" or using "logic."

[baseline bum]

Let me ask you. If Christians didn't stick their nose into your life (legislatively, or otherwise), would you still go around trying to point out all of their faults the way that you do?

I'd still say the bible's god was a sociopath if you asked me. That's pretty independent of the actions of his followers.

[Drachen]

I'd still say the bible's god was a sociopath if you asked me. That's pretty independent of the actions of his followers.

Ok, you would still believe it, would you go around intruding into their lives to tell them so? How stupid they are for believing such things?

[baseline bum]

Ok, you would still believe it, would you go around intruding into their lives to tell them so? How stupid they are for believing such things?

No; big difference between stupid and delusional.

[Drachen]

Ok, so you are saying that you would leave them completely alone on that subject. Am I right?

[baseline bum]

Ok, so you are saying that you would leave them completely alone on that subject. Am I right?

I'm kind of confused what you mean here. If we're discussing god on a political message board, then no, I wouldn't censor.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If it's faith then you shouldn't be caught up with making "arguments" or using "logic."

That just sounds like a copout to me. Descartes and Kant at least had some balls and tried to find logically the existence of God. Now its regressed to this point where it doesn't stand up under scrutiny so its 'personal.'

As long as people understand that they only believe it because they want to believe it then i have no issue. God taking direct perceivable action is where justifiable belief will come from. Most people ever get is 'don't test God' or other condescending nonsense directives.

I have tried to talk to God my entire life and the refrain is boiled down to 'if you really want me to do something or not do something you had better tell me directly because all of these people trying to insinuate they are your proxies are full of . i will continue to do the best that i can otherwise.' Probably pointless talking to myself but i figure it best to cover myself because i could be wrong.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Highly educated people like BigSnack and myself avoid these threads since 98% of you have little brains and can't comprehend deep intelligent conversations.

Look at the the man gets run off the air for exposing lies in the textbooks topic.

All those kids (LGrrrr /Red Zero /Halberto posting outdated school yard insults instead of engaging in adult style debating.

It's kinda like trying to build a model house out of lifesavers in a day care. They want to be part of the project and are really just there to help things up.

Mouse, we really need to get you some furniture.

[Drachen]

I'm kind of confused what you mean here. If we're discussing god on a political message board, then no, I wouldn't censor.

Do you go out and actively seek to tell Christians/Jews/Muslims/Hindus/Zoroastrianists/people who believe in the Zodiac that they are delusional, or do you generally do it in response to their attacks, etc.

[vy65]

That just sounds like a copout to me. Descartes and Kant at least had some balls and tried to find logically the existence of God. Now its regressed to this point where it doesn't stand up under scrutiny so its 'personal.'

Why?

[Blake]

Mouse, we really need to get you some furniture.

God is testing him

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why?

Why did DesCartes and Kant base their belief in blind faith? Becaues they believed that God actually manifested in reality and went looking for it? i would imagine that it was a personal ethic to not just accept mindless mysticism.

Introspection is a good thing. Justify what you think.

[vy65]

Why did DesCartes and Kant base their belief in blind faith? Becaues they believed that God actually manifested in reality and went looking for it? i would imagine that it was a personal ethic to not just accept mindless mysticism.

Introspection is a good thing. Justify what you think.

No. Why do you have to (attempt to) rationalize God's existence if you don't wanna cop out and be a coward?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No. Why do you have to (attempt to) rationalize God's existence if you don't wanna cop out and be a coward?

Why avoid the introspection? I think the reverse question is more important. Why do people that put so much stock into faith feel afraid of introspection? I see a bunch of people that would rather lie to themselves to feel better than seek the truth. The truth no matter how repugnant is the truth.

[vy65]

Why avoid the introspection? I think the reverse question is more important. Why do people that put so much stock into faith feel afraid of introspection? I see a bunch of people that would rather lie to themselves to feel better than seek the truth. The truth no matter how repugnant is the truth.

Having proofs for God's existence isn't the same thing as introspection. I think a lot of Christian's are introspective. That doesn't mean it's rational - but faith isn't rational.

It seems like your definition of introspection is having a logic/rationality for a particular belief. Why's it have to be that way? And why is it cowardice to not have a reason for your beliefs?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Having proofs for God's existence isn't the same thing as introspection. I think a lot of Christian's are introspective. That doesn't mean it's rational - but faith isn't rational.

It seems like your definition of introspection is having a logic/rationality for a particular belief. Why's it have to be that way? And why is it cowardice to not have a reason for your beliefs?

So faith is irrational?

[vy65]

So faith is irrational?

Absolutely. Well, to me it is. But I don't have a problem with it's irrationality.

[Borat Sagyidev]

Absolutely. Well, to me it is. But I don't have a problem with it's irrationality.

This is exactly why Asia is gaining on this country so fast. Their children are learning science and medicine to a very high degree and then see Americans making 3 times they do while being a complete dimwit. I doubt it stays that way for long

Irrationality is a recipe for failure in all aspects.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Absolutely. Well, to me it is. But I don't have a problem with it's irrationality.

And thus me saying its a copout.

"I know it doesn't make any sense but I am going to believe it anyway." I don't like lying to myself.

[vy65]

And thus me saying its a copout.

"I know it doesn't make any sense but I am going to believe it anyway." I don't like lying to myself.

You've basically defined faith.

I still don't see why it's a copout. Not everything is or is supposed to be rational. For example: try talking to a woman.

[DarrinS]

This is exactly why Asia is gaining on this country so fast. Their children are learning science and medicine to a very high degree and then see Americans making 3 times they do while being a complete dimwit. I doubt it stays that way for long

Irrationality is a recipe for failure in all aspects.

Well, our public schools are run by secular leftists. Coincidence?