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    Actually, I totally have gotten it from the beginning. I just am not buying that what Pop did had anything at all to do with legitimately resting his players. And neither is the NBA.

    Spurs fans would not be all excited about this FU to the league if they believed it had anything to do with all those guys needing rest either.
    Waiting for you to show me the rule that states what Pop did was wrong. I'd also like to see where he was warned any of the previous times he did this. The punishment is worded as though it was because it was done to the Miami Heat, who likely lead the league in ticket sales.

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    Actually, I totally have gotten it from the beginning. I just am not buying that what Pop did had anything at all to do with legitimately resting his players. And neither is the NBA.

    Spurs fans would not be all excited about this FU to the league if they believed it had anything to do with all those guys needing rest either.
    LOL if you really think the Spurs did this to with the league and not because they really wanted to rest their players, then you're more full of than I thought you were. Of course, truth is, you don't, you're just here to gloat cause you're happy the Spurs got fined.

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    Actually, I totally have gotten it from the beginning. I just am not buying that what Pop did had anything at all to do with legitimately resting his players. And neither is the NBA.

    Spurs fans would not be all excited about this FU to the league if they believed it had anything to do with all those guys needing rest either.

    No, you haven't and now you've done what you always do and changed your position in the middle of the discussion. That's not surprising. It is a little surprising that you appear so sympathetic to Stern's acting out on his long time, and now well-do ented, grudge against the Spurs organization.

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    Wow, i could f... Stern's wife for 250K.

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    No, you haven't and now you've done what you always do and changed your position in the middle of the discussion. That's not surprising. It is a little surprising that you appear so sympathetic to Stern's acting out on his long time, and now well-do ented, grudge against the Spurs organization.
    She's trolling. Don't waste your keystrokes.

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    If the Spurs sent Bonner, Blair, Mills and De Colo home for rest, would the NBA have fined them $250k? I'm quite confident the answer is 'no'.

    That said, I'm now expecting the league to send each team a list of 4 players who they are not allowed to sit on the same night. I'd love to see the lists for the Raptors, Bucks, Bobcats and Kings.

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    If the Spurs sent Bonner, Blair, Mills and De Colo home for rest, would the NBA have fined them $250k? I'm quite confident the answer is 'no'.

    That said, I'm now expecting the league to send each team a list of 4 players who they are not allowed to sit on the same night. I'd love to see the lists for the Raptors, Bucks, Bobcats and Kings.
    The thing was. It's not best interest for the NBA to send key players home.
    Nobody gives a damn about reserves.

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    The thing was. It's not best interest for the NBA to send key players home.
    Nobody gives a damn about reserves.
    Irrelevant. It violated no NBA rule.

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    Irrelevant. It violated no NBA rule.
    It did not.


    The rule was the interest of the league, and not being able to watch the best spurs players.
    What can I say - we know who Stern is.

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    I just want to add one thing that hasn't been mentioned.

    IMHO in last year's blazer game where Pop did essentially the same thing he was actually out of line in that particular instance. Maybe not to the point of deserving a fine, but perhaps a reminder of the importance of not upsetting the integrity of the game unduly. Why you ask? It was clear from the opening tip it was a last minute decision based on other reasons than rest (IMO he wanted to end the winning streak and knock his players down a peg or 2). Sad part was, he had no game plan, and the players were obviously ill prepared mentally and it showed in that is was one of the most sloppily played mismanaged out of control slapdash ugly nba games I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. Since there was no game plan or even an inkling what to run in an offensive set, every spurs player over-compensated by basically just barreling full speed straight at the rim I'm still surprised to this day no spurs came away with serious injuries that night. The result spoke for itself.. the blazer reserves wiped the floor with the spurs'.

    Contrast that game with the game I saw the other night, the difference was night and day. I honestly believe Pop sincerely wanted to rest his starters and there were no other motives. The gameplan was solid, players were mentally prepared, and it showed in how they put out a very entertaining product for fans of basketball.

    That said, it is thus revealed that Stern really does only care about his own ego and his pet players (Lebron/Wade) and big market teams.

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    This has created a very big and strange precedent. The problem now is gonna be, who gets fined next. Because what if you rest 1 players, 2? 3? how many will be considered to the next fine?
    Does it have to be a televised game? What if happens at the end of the season?
    From a rule-precedent point of view this is crazy, and will create more discussion when is happens again.
    I guess coaches will have to lie and say players are injured.
    You see where im going with this?

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    The thing was. It's not best interest for the NBA to send key players home.
    Nobody gives a damn about reserves.
    The whole purpose of reserves is to provide relief for they key players. If fans had their way, and it were physically possible, Lebron, Kobe, Carmelo, Paul, Rose, etc.,. would be playing 48 minutes per night.

    It is the team and the coaches responsibility to keep their players rested and healthy over the course of an 82 game season + playoffs. If that means sending home the guys that put in 30+ minutes per night a few days early over the course of a grueling road trip, then so be it. The best interest of the NBA should be that each team be as compe ive as possible and do what they can to put out a team that will compete for a championship at the end of the season. Not a team that will make Stern money on a November game at the end of a ridiculous road stretch.

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    Hey, look, ploto bringing the usual irrelevancy to her anti-Spur posts. What a surprise.

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    The thing was. It's not best interest for the NBA to send key players home.
    Nobody gives a damn about reserves.
    Again, it is irrelevant whether people want to see reserves or not (I do, ftr, because I want to know what they can do when called on. I know what the elite players can do, and while it is a joy to watch them, occasionally seeing the remainder of the team is interesting to me as a fan). If the league is all about stars, then they need to reduce their rosters. To say that a decision that should be solely in the purview of team management is detrimental to the league is breathtakingly invasive and undermining.

    As has been repeatedly pointed out, to claim that the commissioner has any right to intervene in such areas opens up a huge wealth of problems. Coaches are no longer allowed to rest players as they see fit? Are they allowed to bench players as they see fit? Are they allowed to give a scrub more minutes to boost his playing experience at the expense of a star's minutes? Will the league determine that certain players have to play a certain number if minutes, regardless of how that impacts the player, the play book, the future schedule, etc.? Is the league going to determine next that bank shots are boring and should therefore be banned as detrimental or begin mandating a certain number of dunks per game, since a player is physically capable of making them and that is what fans want/paid to see?

    Where does it end? With eliminating any pretense of basketball as a compe ive sport. The hand-cuffing of a coaches ability to determine his playing roster - leaving aside any other subplot of this fiasco, like scheduling, or lack of rule violations, or precedent, or grievances between Pop/Spurs and Stern, the question of why one game/set of fans matters more than any other- Stern's decision is utterly egregious and should be motivating the various unions to respond publicly.

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    The whole purpose of reserves is to provide relief for they key players. If fans had their way, and it were physically possible, Lebron, Kobe, Carmelo, Paul, Rose, etc.,. would be playing 48 minutes per night.

    It is the team and the coaches responsibility to keep their players rested and healthy over the course of an 82 game season + playoffs. If that means sending home the guys that put in 30+ minutes per night a few days early over the course of a grueling road trip, then so be it. The best interest of the NBA should be that each team be as compe ive as possible and do what they can to put out a team that will compete for a championship at the end of the season. Not a team that will make Stern money on a November game at the end of a ridiculous road stretch.
    I agree

    But for Stern is to make money of this game. In his opinion Pop was not fair and the fans were not happy about such decision.
    So he did what he did.


    he had right to make a statement, but had no right to punish the spurs

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    If they pay the fine, Holt needs to at the very least make a statement that he stands by his coaches decisions and does not feel he was wrong in any way for doing what he did in Miami.
    Won't happen. The Spurs will dodge the controversy. It will be the classiest 250K payment ever made since the dawn of time itself.

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    I just want to add one thing that hasn't been mentioned.

    IMHO in last year's blazer game where Pop did essentially the same thing he was actually out of line in that particular instance. Maybe not to the point of deserving a fine, but perhaps a reminder of the importance of not upsetting the integrity of the game unduly. Why you ask? It was clear from the opening tip it was a last minute decision based on other reasons than rest (IMO he wanted to end the winning streak and knock his players down a peg or 2). Sad part was, he had no game plan, and the players were obviously ill prepared mentally and it showed in that is was one of the most sloppily played mismanaged out of control slapdash ugly nba games I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. Since there was no game plan or even an inkling what to run in an offensive set, every spurs player over-compensated by basically just barreling full speed straight at the rim I'm still surprised to this day no spurs came away with serious injuries that night. The result spoke for itself.. the blazer reserves wiped the floor with the spurs'.

    Contrast that game with the game I saw the other night, the difference was night and day. I honestly believe Pop sincerely wanted to rest his starters and there were no other motives. The gameplan was solid, players were mentally prepared, and it showed in how they put out a very entertaining product for fans of basketball.

    That said, it is thus revealed that Stern really does only care about his own ego and his pet players (Lebron/Wade) and big market teams.
    So in Portland the Spurs were basically like about 60% of the other NBA teams?

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    Stern.

    In the ass.

    With a running chainsaw.

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    I kind of went in on Larry Coon on Twitter for him saying he thought Spurs deserved to be punished since the fans were cheated and that they were on a slippery slope.

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    The thing was. It's not best interest for the NBA to send key players home.
    Nobody gives a damn about reserves.
    All teams have to play starters for 48 minutes a game.

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    All teams have to play starters for 48 minutes a game.
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    They do?

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    lmao ^

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    Let's start a Kickstarter drive to pay the fine ...

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    Now we can't sign a vet for minimum for the end of the season and playoffs.

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