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You are stretching. How are they going to get caught if they aren't out driving or anywhere near cops? That wouldn't be a big threat to them unless there were cops around.
It doesn't matter...in Texas, if they are caught blowing a positive number under any cir stances, they get their license pulled.
You are stretching. How are they going to get caught if they aren't out driving or anywhere near cops? That wouldn't be a big threat to them unless there were cops around.
Well, that's why I would go for option 3 (or option 4/1). You're right, I can't guarantee it.
Of course, I also would have a curfew...and I would be awake when they got home.
Just to support my earlier claim, this is from the DPS web site...
3) Alcohol related offenses by a Minor. Persons under 21 years of age who are convicted of the following offenses will receive a 30 day license suspension for the first offense, 60 days for a second offense, and 180 days for a third offense. Alcohol Beverage Code 106.071.
Purchase of alcohol by a minor
Attempt to purchase alcohol by a minor
Consumption of alcohol by a minor
Possession of alcohol by a minor
Misrepresentation of age by a minor
I think what he's saying is that if some kids try'd to sneak alcohol into his non-alcohol party that he himslef would call the cops.
Or at least their parents. But call I would...bet your ass on that...
Kori,
I would probably do what my mom did with me......she would let me go and tell me, PLEASE CALL ME. My Mom never condoned drinking as a teenager but she knew my friends and I were going to do it. She would always tell me, I would rather go pick you up and be slightly annoyed at having to pick you up than to have you kill someone or be killed. She did pick me and some friends up one night as I recall. Some teenage boys drove past our car and mooned us.
My Mom had a bunch of things to say to those boys, we thought it was absolutely hilarious.
Whew! I just got back from the strip club. I bought my son 2 table dances to start out. He doesn't speak real well yet, but he does know the sign language for "more" and "please". As he kept asking for "more" I just handed him a roll of tens and told him I'd be back later when I'm off of work. The nice girls at the club agreed to watch him. . .at least until the cash runs out.
What did I miss??
So Trav, if he was determined to go out, you would attempt physically force him to stay home? Or what would you do?
I'm asking because I graduated highschool when I was 16. I had scholarships to go to UCLA in the fall. And graduation night, we all went to a house party. There was alcohol there and all us honor students were drinking. And the parents were home. No one got drunk. No one drove. And all was safe. Yes, I understand it's breaking the law, but I'd rather that than to have my kids unsupervised or driving while drinking.
Alcohol and teenagers graduating high school are a fact of life. Any parent who tries to fight it will lose. I personally would not BUY it for them but if it had to be held at someone's home and mine was the safest option I would do it in order to keep my kids safe.
When I have kids i'm not going to make drinking such a taboo. It's going to be an open subject, they can drink at my house or they can drink at their friends house... If they get in trouble by their friends parents then they get into trouble... but under NO cir stance will they ever make a habit of driving drunk.... I persoanlly made a habit of that throughout highschool and ended up paying a heafty price in college....
Physically restrain? No...that would go nowhere. I'm not an idiot, even if I am an idealist and a strict parent.
But they would have to leave on foot after specifically getting around me...because the keys would be impounded, and (if necessary) coil wires.
But that's if option 3 came into play. If there was an option 4, I'd be expecting (multiple) phone calls (my kids have cell phones) and I would be talking personally to the parents involved. If I went option 1, I would expect other parents to be calling me. And under no cir stances would I allow alcohol to be served at my house.
But do you think you are a realist?even if I am an idealist and a strict parent.
Well...knowing my own kids to the extent I do (which is not perfect)...yeah, I think I can realistically expect to enforce my own rules. But that's because of groundwork laid over the past several years, where I can (usually) expect certain rules to be followed.
Why does the law have to get involved in everything? Sure, maybe one of the boys parents would have found out, but dont you think they would have called the parents who hired the stripper first? to get the story straight??? Sane, Decent, Civil people handle things like this together all the time, do you call the police every time somebody does something that you dont agree with??
Travis, how old are your kids?
17 and (almost) 15.
they mind you pretty well? do they ever lie and stuff?
Yeah, they're good kids. They have lied, yes...all kids lie at some point. But they aren't very good at it. And we've had certain problems with growing up...big problems to us, but small ones in the grand scheme of things. And we keep our eyes open anyway.
They are involved in stuff outside of school...that helps. And we pay attention to grades and push them academically. They hear good things from us when they do well...and they get punished when they do something wrong.
In other words...we are parents...not friends, not baby-sitters.
sounds like your doing a fine job.
The way you are "strict parent" and "idealist", reminds me of my mom
Thispego, this has nothing to do with me or disagreeing with anyone. You are accusing this place of not minding their own business when they were doing what was legally expected of them. You may not agree with the law, and heck they may not even agree with it....you have no idea whether they do or not. This is not their fault, they may be fearing legal repercussions, who knows. You are acting as if they were the ones to blame when they weren't.
I personally don't think much of people who would hire a stripper for their teenage son but if I found out that happened at a party I would keep it to myself. THAT is minding my own business. However, If I had a business that was somehow involved with this and I wanted to protect my livelihood then I would report it. BIG difference!!! Why is that so difficult for you to understand???
[Tone=serious]I think the point of the thread is that it is not appropriate to allow other parents to decide if a behavior is appropriate or not. If the parents disapprove of such behavior, they should not allow their minor to associate with these people, and they should inform their offspring of what to do and how to remove themselves from the company of people doing things of which they do not approve. [/tone]
Just tell 'em if they aren't home by curfew they vill be SHOT und hanged until zey are dead.
I appreciate that. It's not an easy job...if you do it right. Which is all one can hope for in parenting.
I really don't have much to add to this thread that hasn't already been added, but I will tell you this.
I will never make the mistake of thinking I know my kids enough to think they aren't doing what I did at their age. Because thats what it is, a mistake.
I'm in total agreeance with you here.
I'm not even sure why i brought this back up, I had to rush off to class earlier though without finishing.
If you would look at my original post
You'll see that the point i was trying to make is that people in general need to mind their own business. People are always so concerned about what others are doing and always feel the need to get involved, do they not have any problems of their own to attend to?
Now I really think this debate went the wrong way, I dont condone what the parents did, I think it's wrong, and I'm not upset they are getting punished. I am, however, upset they are getting punished because the photo lab decided to just turn over the film, (that the family was PAYING them to develop in confidence), as evidence. It's not like they had a birth certificate with a picture i.d. attached to the film. The photo lab person didnt want to give this stranger the benefit of the doubt and not put these people through the hassle of police interference? Now these peoples' records are besmirched forever.
true that Manny
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