Yahoo: Spurs' talks for Andrei Kirilenko end without deal

[milkyway21]

because us getting AK is destiny... i guess

[temujin]

Yes, but $9 million to get one point better buys us a championship. Does that math make more sense?

So what is the actual hint that Kirilenko will make Spurs better?

they will win a lot of RS games with or without him.
What's needed are players with guts to make tough shots in clutch moments of PO games against top teams.
Stuff Kirilenko has never ever done in the NBA.
Those that have witnessed the gigantic Kililenko's led CSKA meltdown in the Euroleague 2012 final will tell you to stay away from the guy.

Plus he would most likely have to play the 4 for the most part. A Splitter-Kirilenko frontline is going to be outrebounded by anybody.

3 years 10 M total max. Or he could go play for the ever irrelevant Minnesotas of this world.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

Obviously, the Spurs are one of the "two other teams besides the Wolves".

It looks like there will be a 4 way deal b/n OKC, Nuggets, Spurs and T'wolves. Having a four team deal takes quite awhile to finalize. I wouldn't be surprise at all if Kirilenko is a Spurs by this afternoon.

[gameFACE]

I didn't see anyone answer this ...

My guess would be AK off the bench.

[rjv]

At least good to know that Spurs haven't been just fine with standing pat. Kirilenko would have been just great.

Assuming the Kirilenko talks are dead, have Spurs a plan B that isn't just sticking with what they have? A key to that question is Bonner's contract: Have Spurs been able to push back the guaranteed deadline? Have they even tried to do so?

And Kirilenko could have been likely had without a S&T. With Belinelli signed with the room exception, Neal renounced, Bonner amnestied, De Colo and Mills salary dumped, Spurs could have offered Kirlenko a contract starting at $8M by just signing him with cap space. I really don't get why Spurs haven't done that. Are Pendergraph and Bonner worth Kirilenko?

bonner no, without a doubt but i'm keeping an open mind in regards to pendergraph.

[Mal]

So what is the actual hint that Kirilenko will make Spurs better?

they will win a lot of RS games with or without him.
What's needed are players with guts to make tough shots in clutch moments of PO games against top teams.
Stuff Kirilenko has never ever done in the NBA.
Those that have witnessed the gigantic Kililenko's led CSKA meltdown in the Euroleague 2012 final will tell you to stay away from the guy.

Plus he would most likely have to play the 4 for the most part. A Splitter-Kirilenko frontline is going to be outrebounded by anybody.

3 years 10 M total max. Or he could go play for the ever irrelevant Minnesotas of this world.

Lol wut ? Kirilenko is good defender, good rebounder. Spurs adding good defensive player, who can do all on court will be better. Kirilenko with his wingspan is good to throw him on LeBron and Durant. And Spurs still got Leonard to throw him on any guard, and Duncan protecting the rim. This is good signing if happen, whatever the price.

[DPG21920]

If the S&T option falls through, I really hope the spurs told Pendergrapgh his deal is dependent on other moves. Or that it's the min. If its not the min, they should walk away and get AK directly.

[bklynspursfan]

If the S&T option falls through, I really hope the spurs told Pendergrapgh his deal is dependent on other moves. Or that it's the min. If its not the min, they should walk away and get AK directly.

That would be a pretty good plan B...

[houston spurs fan]

Flip Saunders has failed at everything he has done in life. What a piece of .

[rjv]

I missed that in Woj article. In that case, it makes little sense. Minny won 31 games last season. they aren't in a position where they should be worried about making contenders stronger. If a Kirilenko S&T allows them to also get Cory Brewer, they should go for it.

a lot of that was due to the injuries to love and rubio though. wolves could be a bubble team for the last playoff spot.

[ducks]

One would think there would be a deal worked out where Minnesota gets Kevin Martin, Spurs get AK47 and OKC gets scraps, picks and a trade exception. And maybe the T'Wolves can shed Ridnour somewhere in the deal if they need encouragement to cooperate.

Maybe I'm missing something but that looks like it'd help all three teams, tbh.

GET HER DONE

[elec99]

Or, we could trade away a combination of mills, colo, bonner to a team and just get a pick(s) back, then straight up sign AK?
If MN doesnt or cant play ball then this could be another plan B, we wont need MN for this.

[davidbowie]

flip was always an overrated piece of

[Leetonidas]

What? Did you finally get a CLUE that your Manu bashing was getting tiresome to most of us? Thank God!

So any criticism is bashing him? You're a ing got, get his out of your ass. Dude is in my ing avatar, I've stated multiple times he's my 2nd favorite Spur and I want him on this team, but he deserves criticism for his contract. Quit being a ing delusional homer and open your eyes. Manu is not infallable and it's ridiculous that some of you s are defending his contract. And no, no one has said to me besides you, .

besides what happened to im going to put you on my ignore list dip

[Leetonidas]

jezz. you are not exactly familiar with CBA rules, are you? but you would know how to run a franchise. Oh well.

No asswipe, 99% of the people on here aren't and leach off of Bruno's knowledge. I figured if a team signed a free agent even to a one year deal then we'd have his Bird rights and be able to offer him a better deal the next season. If not then my mistake, no need to be a little **** about it

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

So any criticism is bashing him? You're a ing got, get his out of your ass. Dude is in my ing avatar, I've stated multiple times he's my 2nd favorite Spur and I want him on this team, but he deserves criticism for his contract. Quit being a ing delusional homer and open your eyes. Manu is not infallable and it's ridiculous that some of you s are defending his contract. And no, no one has said to me besides you, .

besides what happened to im going to put you on my ignore list dip

Honestly Manu contract really wouldn't have made a difference. IF he signed for 4 mil a year, the Spurs would still be only 3-4 mil under the cap and it would have counted against the MLE.

The Biggest obstacle was the superfluous players the Spurs have on their team like Bonner/Mills/Cojo/De Colo taking up about 10mil of cap space. Spurs for many years now, like to push themselves over the cap after resigning their own players so that they can have the full MLE beyond the salary cap limitation. Keep these guys on the roster gave the Spurs assets to complete a S&T this offseason, which they are currently working on at the moment.

If manu got 3 or 7 mil a year this year, it wouldn't have had any impact whatsoever on the Spurs trying to sign Kirilenko for a 8 mil dollar a year deal b/c the most they could have offer was the MLE. It does effect them next year, but today's trouble are enough if you hear me.

[ducks]

if manu took 4 they could cut booner

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

if manu took 4 they could cut booner

Could, but we all know that wasn't happening.

[Chinook]

No asswipe, 99% of the people on here aren't and leach off of Bruno's knowledge. I figured if a team signed a free agent even to a one year deal then we'd have his Bird rights and be able to offer him a better deal the next season. If not then my mistake, no need to be a little **** about it

They'd have is Non-Bird Rights and would only be able to re-sign him at a small increase. That's why the Spurs had to use the MLE on Diaw last season. Since his contract last year was so big to begin with, the Wolves could give him the deal he wants using his Non-Bird Rights. The Spurs wouldn't be able to next season.

[Leetonidas]

Honestly Manu contract really wouldn't have made a difference. IF he signed for 4 mil a year, the Spurs would still be only 3-4 mil under the cap and it would have counted against the MLE.

The Biggest obstacle was the superfluous players the Spurs have on their team like Bonner/Mills/Cojo/De Colo taking up about 10mil of cap space. Spurs for many years now, like to push themselves over the cap after resigning their own players so that they can have the full MLE beyond the salary cap limitation. Keep these guys on the roster gave the Spurs assets to complete a S&T this offseason, which they are currently working on at the moment.

If manu got 3 or 7 mil a year this year, it wouldn't have had any impact whatsoever on the Spurs trying to sign Kirilenko for a 8 mil dollar a year deal b/c the most they could have offer was the MLE. It does effect them next year, but today's trouble are enough if you hear me.

tbh I agree with you but him taking a smaller contract would've given us more flexibility. We don't know had he taken a little less what the Spurs may have planned to do but that's not the case so it doesn't matter now. But either way, he is overpaid, and the vast majority of people who follow the NBA agree, the only ones who don't are blind Ginobili homers. RealGM had a poll about the worst contract so far and iirc Ginobili was winning in a landslide. So it's not just my opinion, I'm not a "Manu hater," i ing love Gino, but I just don't feel he is worth 7M a season at this point, imo

[Leetonidas]

They'd have is Non-Bird Rights and would only be able to re-sign him at a small increase. That's why the Spurs had to use the MLE on Diaw last season. Since his contract last year was so big to begin with, the Wolves could give him the deal he wants using his Non-Bird Rights. The Spurs wouldn't be able to next season.

So he would still get an increase but only marginal, gotcha. Thanks for explaining that in a non- y way

[tuncaboylu]

if manu took 4 they could cut booner

That's correct.
Maybe we should make better negotiate with Splitter and Manu.
12M for 2 years with Manu
Splitter for 32M for 4 years
No Pendergraph
Cutting Bonner.
Would be enough for us.

[Cowboys_Wear_Spurs]

They'd have is Non-Bird Rights and would only be able to re-sign him at a small increase. That's why the Spurs had to use the MLE on Diaw last season. Since his contract last year was so big to begin with, the Wolves could give him the deal he wants using his Non-Bird Rights. The Spurs wouldn't be able to next season.

I believe there are 3 levels, Non-Bird (1 yr w/ team), Early Bird (2 yr w/ team) and Full Bird (3 yr w/ team) and each one allows a certain % increase in resigning a team's free agents. If the Spurs complete a S&T, the Spurs will have Kirilenko's early bird rights next year, but it wouldn't matter b/c the Spurs were talking about signing him to a 4 year deal this offseason.

[Leetonidas]

besides iirc Bruno did the math and had Ginobili taken a lesser contract, the Spurs would've known they could free up a bigger chunk of capspace for Kirilenko by waiving Bonner, but perhaps they felt it's not an option now with Manu's contract. It's obvious they really want AK47 so it's not crazy to think Manu's contract may have affected their abilities to seriously pursue him

[coyotes_geek]

I don't see the incentive here for OKC to help us (their chief rivals) get AK while they lose Martin and only get a trade exception.

This. OKC is already close to lux tax territory and it's clear they want to stay out of there, as evidenced by trading harden and letting the guy they traded harden for walk on them. The odds of them ever using whatever trade exception they'd receive from getting involved in this mega-S&T swap are slim, so why bother when it would strengthen your strongest compe or?