Ok explain this to me.. because you know. I am a miltary brat and have 8 years of civilian work with the Air Force and Army here in San Antonio. ...
When you sign up you can only sign up for 4 years max.. So that means if he was in 10 years he probably re-enlisted what 3-4 times? .. Normal to sign up for 2 years each time. And he volunteered and resigned to go to Iraq for a 2nd tour in the combat zone..
Now call me crazy but do you think that is enough time to find out the "lies the recruiter told you"?
it seems that this woman is covering all the requisite Fahrenheit 911 bases. In addition to the suggestions about unscrupulous recruiters getting her son to sign up, the other day I heard her say (on Hardball I think) that she thinks the Army might be lying about how her son died ...it seems she now has reason to believe that he was killed by friendly fire and she has people investigating that.
Woodstock 2005 in Crawford Texas anyone?
Link"According to Dianne Wilson, a local landowner has offered one acre on one side of the road and 180 acres on the other side of the road for use by Camp Casey. Although the exact location has yet to be announced, it is apparently closer to the Bush ranch than the current location of Camp Casey. It is being speculated that Camp Casey will be moved soon."
Maybe it's that ole...."You murdered my son, are a war criminal, and should be impeached" thing she's got going that gives W reason to think he probably isn't going to change her mind.... even if he meets her for a SECOND time.
But what do I know...I'm not an idiot.
Woodstock 2005 in Crawford Texas anyone?
Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony.
For the past several days I've been... noticing a steep rise in the number of hippies coming to town. At first I thought maybe it was just a coincidence. Then I saw this... Three new drum circles have sprouted up here, here, and here. They're all growing in diameter, at a rate of two hippies per hour. What this means... is that the hippies are conglomerating. They're thriving, if you will. I think that they're setting up for a... hippie music festival.
It's, it's simple science. Look: When hippies start to nest in a new area, it draws other hippies in. With the right weather conditions and topography, it can lead to a music festival. One that last for days, even weeks. Reggae on the River, Woodstock, Burning Man, they will all pale in comparison to what we're looking at now. In my professional opinion... I think we're looking at a full-blown hippie jam festival the size of which we've never seen.
One good thing....
A terrorist probably won't be nuking the biggest red state of em all while all of Usama's supporters are congregating on W's lawn....indeed...the weapon he's got now is better than a nuke.
If this woman really wanted to protest and make her son's death count for something....
She'd be pressuring the US government to put pressure on the Provisional Government of Iraq to gurantee women's rights in their new consitution...
Then, regardless of the legitimacy of our entry into Iraq, regardless of the motiviations of Bush to go in there...his death would unquestionably count for something noble....
Just because they are against the war doesn't mean they support blowing up of buildings on sovereign land.
Why the hate? This lady has Dubya in her.
From HuffingtonPost:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/theblo...asey_5665.html
"if George or anybody else thinks I am leaving before my mission is "accomplished" they have another thing coming. I will stay the course. I will finish the mission. I will take no prisoners."
-- Michael Moore(from his own website before he edited it).The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not “insurgents” or “terrorists” or “The Enemy.” They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow—and they will win.
Yes because all of these people follow Michael Moore with whatever he says. And just because they share the same belief about the war thay automatically believe that.
eventually the media will get sick of this, oh yeah another thing, I am surprised none of the left leaning democrats are out there embracing her cause... I wonder what they might be fearing...... where's jesse jackson, al gore, john kerry, ted kennedy, al sharpton... oh the injustice of it all.... lol... (they probably know it's a volunteer army and won't touch this issue)
That's not very nice.
Yes because you obviously haven't read her comments. She's got exactly his same beliefs.
Rush is off his meds again and in full effect in the latest public information release from the Ministry of Truth...
Sounds like Whott, NO?"I mean, Cindy Sheehan is just Bill Burkett. Her story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real, including the mainstream media's glomming onto it. It's not real. It's nothing more than an attempt. It's the latest effort made by the coordinated left."
Yeah? And you sound like Usama half the time...
Cindy Sheehan's Tragic Critics
By John Nichols
On the ensuing thread, it is very amusing to see how the right-wing posters help Mr. Nichols drive his point home.While debating conservative pundit David Horowitz on Ron Reagan's MSNBC show the other night, I was struck by the desperation with which supporters of the war have turned their fury on Cindy Sheehan, the mother of an American soldier killed in Iraq who has been trying to get an audience with President Bush.
Horowitz, the former left-wing zealot who is now a right-wing zealot, described the woman who has camped out near Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch as "hateful," accused her of dishonoring the memory of her son and promised that if Sheehan and other anti-war activists succeed in bringing an end to the occupation of Iraq then "rivers of blood" will flow in the streets of America. It was a remarkable performance, so much so that even Horowitz admitted that he was "emotional" about the subject.
Of course, Horowitz is wrong, on every point. But it is difficult to get angry with him, or even to take his ranting seriously. When Reagan asked me if I wanted to "dignify" Horowitz's comments with a response, I declined, except to express a measure of sympathy for Horowitz and other true believers who have become so frenzied in their need to defend the Iraq imbroglio that they feel they must attack a grieving mother who wants to make sure that no more parents will have to bury their sons and daughters as a result of the Bush administration's arrogance.
The rapidly dwindling minority of Americans who continue to search for some rationale for keeping U.S. troops in Iraq has been driven to the brink of breakdown by the success of Sheehan's protest. Go to the website of William F. Buckley's National Review magazine and you will find Sheehan described in headlines as "nutty," dismissed by columnists as "the mouthpiece... of howling-at-the-moon, bile-spewing Bush haters" and accused of "sucking up intellectual air" that, presumably, would be better utilized by Condoleezza Rice explaining once more that it would be wrong to read too much into the August 6, 2001, briefing do ent that declared: "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the U.S." Human Events, the conservative weekly newspaper, dismisses Sheehan as a "professional griever" who "can claim to be in perpetual mourning for her fallen son" -- as if there is some time limit on maternal sorrow over the death of a child.
She is dishonoring the memory of her son...big time.
It's not my opinion...it's fact.
He didn't die for the cause she is now using his name to promote.
He didn't die for that reason....Regardless of what the Bush admin's motivations were to enter into the war...he was there for noble reasons...on a noble quest.
This man was Pro-American...not Pro-terrorist...and he was a smarter man than she was and a better American...
She's disgracing him and his memory worse than any terrorist ever could.
How dare she stick his name next to Michael Moore's....and claim she is acting on his behalf...how dare she.
Thems the facts. Deal with it.
How do you know what he stood for Whott? Did you know him personally? Maybe the reason he did his job was because, well, it was his job.
Oh , the Nichol's article is too good, let's read the rest of it...
Fox News Channel spinner-in-chief Bill O'Reilly accuses Sheehan of being "in bed with the radical left," including -- horrors! -- "9-11 families" that are still seeking answers about whether, in the first months of 2001, the Bush administration was more focused on finding excuses to attack Iraq than on protecting Americans from terrorism. And Rush Limbaugh was on the radio the other day ranting about how, "(Sheehan's) story is nothing more than forged do ents. There's nothing about it that's real..." (Just to clarify for Limbaugh listeners: Cindy Sheehan's 24-year-old son Casey really did die in Iraq, and his mother really would like to talk with President Bush about all those claims regarding WMDs and al-Qaida ties that the administration used to peddle the "case" for war.)
The pro-war pundits who continue to defend the occupation of Iraq are freaked out by the fact that a grieving mother is calling into question their claim that the only way to "support the troops" is by keeping them in the frontlines of George W. Bush's failed experiment. Bush backers are horrified that Sheehan's sincere and patriotic anti-war voice has captured the nation's attention.
What the pro-war crowd does not understand is that Cindy Sheehan is not inspiring opposition to the occupation. She is merely putting a face on the mainstream sentiments of a country that has stopped believing the president's promises with regard to Iraq. According to the latest Newsweek poll, 61 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush's handing of the war, while just 26 percent support the president's argument that large numbers of U.S. military personnel should remain in Iraq for as long as it takes to achieve the administration's goals there.
The supporters of this war have run out of convincing lies and effective emotional appeals. Now, they are reduced to attacking the grieving mothers of dead soldiers. Samuel Johnson suggested that patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. But, with their attacks on Cindy Sheehan, the apologists for George Bush's infamy have found a new and darker refuge.
How do you know what he stood for Whott? Did you know him personally? Maybe the reason he did his job was because, well, it was his job.
Because he re-enlisted in the US Military AFTER the Iraq war...
Because he was told it was not necessary for him to go on the mission that killed him...and he went anyway.
Her son was as far away from the Michael Moore's of this world as you can get...and he'd be ashamed to have his name being used to promote something Michael Moore stands for....
This woman is in deep grief and has lost her way...I don't blame her for being angry....
But one day she is going to be ashamed of what she did here in her sons name....and she will apologize for it...wait and see.
That became my favorite episode of all time the very instant it aired.
Yeah. You know, I had a guy in Jackson county. He had a little drum circle in his backyard. It turned into a drum circle four miles in diameter. You get a few hippies playing drums and next thing you know, you got yourself a colony.
For the past several days I've been... noticing a steep rise in the number of hippies coming to town. At first I thought maybe it was just a coincidence. Then I saw this... Three new drum circles have sprouted up here, here, and here. They're all growing in diameter, at a rate of two hippies per hour. What this means... is that the hippies are conglomerating. They're thriving, if you will. I think that they're setting up for a... hippie music festival.
It's, it's simple science. Look: When hippies start to nest in a new area, it draws other hippies in. With the right weather conditions and topography, it can lead to a music festival. One that last for days, even weeks. Reggae on the River, Woodstock, Burning Man, they will all pale in comparison to what we're looking at now. In my professional opinion... I think we're looking at a full-blown hippie jam festival the size of which we've never seen.
I'd really like to hear what the father has to say about this....to make sure Casey isn't being taken advantage of in death by his mother and a decietful group of leftwingers(she's being taken advantage of too)......who don't care how much they piss on the legacy a dead man wanted to leave, the only thing he has to leave. The message he was trying to send.
I read that part of the reason the father is divorcing her is because of her extremist political views...I am certain looking at Casey's actions that his stance is completely different from that of his mother.
When he speaks...I expect a full apology from you, move on, Michael Moore, and everyone involved for misrepresnting what this kid stood for and using it for your own ing seflish reasons. You offend me greatly.
I sympathize with the son...not the mother...because the son is the one that no longer has his voice to speak with...and in my gut I know that his mother is not saying the things he would want her to say.
Last edited by whottt; 08-17-2005 at 04:20 PM.
I can just picture this kid going around calling Bush a murderer and a war criminal...as he re-enlists after the Iraq war...
Who the do you people think you are kidding?
That's what troops do, Whott. Maybe at one time he did support the war, , at one time 70% of the American public supported the war, but those numbers have dwindled down to 26% today. Also, when he reuped, you didn't know what kind of pressure he was under at the time, maybe he was inticed by a $50,000 or more signing bonus, or maybe he just felt bad leaving his buddies in Iraq short-handed because all these young, conservative, chicken-hawks who support W's war have better things to do, just like their leader did in Nam.Because he re-enlisted in the US Military AFTER the Iraq war...
Because he was told it was not necessary for him to go on the mission that killed him...and he went anyway.
Paul Hackett?
How do you know? Do you have the demographic breakdown on those polls?Maybe at one time he did support the war, , at one time 70% of the American public supported the war, but those numbers have dwindled down to 26% today.
Are you saying this man was not in control of his own decisions?Also, when he reuped, you didn't know what kind of pressure he was under at the time, maybe he was inticed by a $50,000 or more signing bonus,
Are you saying he is a flake?
Au contraire...his mother is the flake.
I imagine that was a big part of it...or maybe he just felt bad leaving his buddies in Iraq short-handed
because all these young, conservative, chicken-hawks who support W's war have better things to do, just like their leader did in Nam.
W was in the military in Vietnam...he was in the reserves...just like Kerry...his reserve troup never got called into serve...and Daddy Bush did serve.
Michael Moore was never in favor of this war at anytime...he is an anti-American..he does not feel this country is worth fighting and dying for, he sympathizes with opressive causes and is a racist......this kid is not like that.
Stop using him.
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