Official 2016 Spurs Offseason Thread

[Chinook]

Yeah, I forgot the league changed the moratorium period. Still, unless the Lakers draft Ingram and sign DeRozan, I think it's a waste of time because I see no other scenario where they wouldn't match. Of course, the Spurs should still do their due diligence on this though.

I mean, they are apparently trying to trade the pick for a perimeter player. It doesn't have to be Ingram. And remember that they have Russell too. They may not want to end up being so guard heavy.

Didn't you admit that you haven't really seen Sullinger play outside of YouTube clips? I've seen enough of him to know he wouldn't solve the Spurs' issues.

Blair was more athletic than Sullinger when he first entered the league. He was also playing with a player, in Ginobili, who's the best I've ever seen at hitting the roll man.

I'm definitely not a Sullinger expert. But I think we disagree on what the Spurs' issues are. With that in mind, it's not clear I have a misguided opinion on Sullinger's skill-set. From what Boston fans told me, he seems to check the boxes, and his stats back that up.

Johnson actually had something of a bounce back, but he's been gimpy for years. I'm not opposed to him, but him and Aldridge together, is not enough defensive rebounding/rim protection, especially against the big, bruising front lines.

The only big lineup is OKC's bench, and people are really overreacting to that. The Spurs need to do what's best for them first before trying to match up against another team. Look what that got them this year.

Ndoye and Lalanne don't qualify as upgrading their talent level. There's no evidence to suggest they're ready or capable at all of playing in the NBA.

Most teams don't sign prospects because they're proven. The Spurs need to sign guys and MAKE them proven. The Spurs have to develop guys for a change, instead of stashing them and hoping those players become ready by osmosis.

Fit is never an afterthought; it always has to be part of the equation. I disagree, I think they have a certain belief of how a roster should be built and want to remake it as close to what it's been for much of the Duncan era.

They've changed that roster so much during the Duncan Era that I disagree with you. I think they try to figure out how to best use the talent they have. Fit isn't about players, not completely. It's also very much about the system the team runs. Post-playing LMA and Kawhiso just won't do well without guys to space the floor, whereas PnP Aldridge and Spot-up Kawhi would totally fit with a teammate who rolls and dunks without much of an outside shot. There's no point in getting poorer talent just to keep guys in inefficient roles.

Instead, get the best guys you can and figure out how to get them touches. If that guy is Whiteside, Aldridge needs to shoot. If that guy is Ryan Anderson, then LMA needs to be on the block. If that guy is Sullinger, Aldridge can do whatever the he wants. The Spurs' talent is going to be more different now than it has been in two decades. They're going to have to do whatever it takes to make the best guy they get work with the others.

[TD 21]

I mean, they are apparently trying to trade the pick for a perimeter player. It doesn't have to be Ingram. And remember that they have Russell too. They may not want to end up being so guard heavy.



I'm definitely not a Sullinger expert. But I think we disagree on what the Spurs' issues are. With that in mind, it's not clear I have a misguided opinion on Sullinger's skill-set. From what Boston fans told me, he seems to check the boxes, and his stats back that up.



The only big lineup is OKC's bench, and people are really overreacting to that. The Spurs need to do what's best for them first before trying to match up against another team. Look what that got them this year.



Most teams don't sign prospects because they're proven. The Spurs need to sign guys and MAKE them proven. The Spurs have to develop guys for a change, instead of stashing them and hoping those players become ready by osmosis.



They've changed that roster so much during the Duncan Era that I disagree with you. I think they try to figure out how to best use the talent they have. Fit isn't about players, not completely. It's also very much about the system the team runs. Post-playing LMA and Kawhiso just won't do well without guys to space the floor, whereas PnP Aldridge and Spot-up Kawhi would totally fit with a teammate who rolls and dunks without much of an outside shot. There's no point in getting poorer talent just to keep guys in inefficient roles.

Instead, get the best guys you can and figure out how to get them touches. If that guy is Whiteside, Aldridge needs to shoot. If that guy is Ryan Anderson, then LMA needs to be on the block. If that guy is Sullinger, Aldridge can do whatever the he wants. The Spurs' talent is going to be more different now than it has been in two decades. They're going to have to do whatever it takes to make the best guy they get work with the others.

It's called due diligence. If someone wants to blow them away with an in their prime star, then and only then, is it available.

I don't know that we disagree on their issues, so much as we disagree on Sullinger's ability to solve them.

Defensive rebounding and rim protection are still and will always be essential ingredients of the game. A Aldridge-Johnson combination can't do that job well enough to win a championship and since it's going to be extremely difficult to build an offensive juggernaut again anytime soon, that's still going to have to remain their staple.

LaLanne and Ndoye are just random players though. You're probably only familiar with them because of their affiliation to the Spurs. They definitely need youth on the back end of the roster and they will, in all likelihood, add Bertans and the 29th pick.

The roster has changed, but the ideals have remained the same, which is why, after a 3 year interlude from '09-'11, they rebuilt the roster in the same mold as what it was before that. Even with Duncan and Ginobili likely retiring, I suspect they'll look to do the same.

I don't disagree with some of what you said, I just think you have a misguided idea about what they're looking to and are capable of doing in the short term. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[Chinook]

It's called due diligence. If someone wants to blow them away with an in their prime star, then and only then, is it available.

It's called the Lakers being tired to being a bad team and getting impatient. I think they should and ultimately will end up just drafting the player and keeping them. But they have a huge need to add stars, especially now that they've relieved the Tank Commander of his duties. I think they should come to an agreement with Clarkson one a regular $56M/4 deal before waiting for someone to give him that offer sheet. The probably won't want to have to match a deal with the Arenas structure. If they do agree to such a deal, they obviously the Spurs will know and have plenty of time to move on to other guys (no one's going to be calling Eric Gordon at midnight on June 30). If they don't, then they are leaving open the idea of him not being part of their core. That means a means a max offer might give them pause, or they might be willing to take some compensation for letting him go.

I don't know that we disagree on their issues, so much as we disagree on Sullinger's ability to solve them.

I think we disagree on the issues. It's clear that you want a younger Tyson Chandler--like player to play next to LMA (btb, Chandler would probably be available for free if you want to go that route), as you think the Spurs need size and shot-blocking. I think the Spurs need mobility, flexibility and spacing in their front court, so in addition to Sullinger, guys like Amir and even Terrance Jones are on my radar.

Defensive rebounding and rim protection are still and will always be essential ingredients of the game. A Aldridge-Johnson combination can't do that job well enough to win a championship and since it's going to be extremely difficult to build an offensive juggernaut again anytime soon, that's still going to have to remain their staple.

They can get better on offense by adding shooting and another ball-handler. That's why guys like Gordon are appealing as backups. Amir was part of a really good defense last year, and he and LMA would be a good defensive pairing. The fear is once again, of OKC's bench almost exclusively, and that isn't something you tailor your starters for. If the Spurs want to get size for their third big, they should go for that using their room exception. Even if Plumlee and Aldrich end up making more than that, the team just needs to find the next person in that line. Seven-footers who can screen and dunk aren't as common as they used to be, but they aren't hen's teeth, either.

LaLanne and Ndoye are just random players though. You're probably only familiar with them because of their affiliation to the Spurs. They definitely need youth on the back end of the roster and they will, in all likelihood, add Bertans and the 29th pick.

They'll need more than that. The Spurs probably won't be good enough to carry ring-chasers next season, so there's no reason to not have a bunch of prospects to sort out like they had in 2012 and 2013. Guys whom they have been developing for a year in Austin seem like decent candidates to compliment the picks they sign.

The roster has changed, but the ideals have remained the same, which is why, after a 3 year interlude from '09-'11, they rebuilt the roster in the same mold as what it was before that. Even with Duncan and Ginobili likely retiring, I suspect they'll look to do the same.

I wouldn't even say the ideals have remained the same. Duncan was a constant, but what he did on the court changed quite a bit. The sets changed and the emphases changed. With him gone, things would change a lot. With Manu gone, the Spurs might finally try to get a PG to play in the second unit rather than short guards who could play off the ball. That would be a huge change for the team to handle. I doubt they'd look for another passing two-guard just to avoid that.

I don't disagree with some of what you said, I just think you have a misguided idea about what they're looking to and are capable of doing in the short term. You're setting yourself up for disappointment.

I'm talking about what I think the Spurs should do, not what I think they will do. I have no reason to believe they'll look at Sullinger or Clarkson. Pop is probably desperately hoping for Tim and Manu to return so that he can keep rolling out the same old lineups again.

[td4mvp2k]

Would we be able to get a Conley or Horford if Duncan and Manu came back? The more I think about it the more I like the idea of the big three coming off the bench. It would be fun to watch, a great way for them to contribute before retirement, and I still think the three of them have enough left in the tank to be one of the best benches in the league. I guess it just depends on the cap situation on who we could afford if the big 3 were to return.

id like to sign those two and bring back td and manu which could happen if they could trade porker, green or diaw tbh

[UNT Eagles 2016]

Cowboys have a better chance to win a championship in the next 5 years than the Spurs.

[ace3g]

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Cowboys have a better chance to win a championship in the next 5 years than the Spurs.

If the spurs played a one game series against okc, with home court, they'd be in the conf finals. Sweet.

[TD 21]

It's called the Lakers being tired to being a bad team and getting impatient. I think they should and ultimately will end up just drafting the player and keeping them. But they have a huge need to add stars, especially now that they've relieved the Tank Commander of his duties. I think they should come to an agreement with Clarkson one a regular $56M/4 deal before waiting for someone to give him that offer sheet. The probably won't want to have to match a deal with the Arenas structure. If they do agree to such a deal, they obviously the Spurs will know and have plenty of time to move on to other guys (no one's going to be calling Eric Gordon at midnight on June 30). If they don't, then they are leaving open the idea of him not being part of their core. That means a means a max offer might give them pause, or they might be willing to take some compensation for letting him go.

No, it's due diligence. Almost everyone who gets a high pick in sports is said to be open to moving the pick, unless there's a guaranteed superstar available. Like I said, of course the Spurs should explore this, I just don't see it coming to fruition.

I think we disagree on the issues. It's clear that you want a younger Tyson Chandler--like player to play next to LMA (btb, Chandler would probably be available for free if you want to go that route), as you think the Spurs need size and shot-blocking. I think the Spurs need mobility, flexibility and spacing in their front court, so in addition to Sullinger, guys like Amir and even Terrance Jones are on my radar.

It's not an either/or; it's both. I want something like a younger Splitter and Diaw. Aldridge is a 4.5 and though he should generally start at power forward, whether he spends more minutes at one or the other should be dependent on match-up. That's why he needs similarly valued second/third bigs, to basically split the job.

They can get better on offense by adding shooting and another ball-handler. That's why guys like Gordon are appealing as backups. Amir was part of a really good defense last year, and he and LMA would be a good defensive pairing. The fear is once again, of OKC's bench almost exclusively, and that isn't something you tailor your starters for. If the Spurs want to get size for their third big, they should go for that using their room exception. Even if Plumlee and Aldrich end up making more than that, the team just needs to find the next person in that line. Seven-footers who can screen and dunk aren't as common as they used to be, but they aren't hen's teeth, either.

Sure, but in all likelihood, they don't have a path to being a more explosive offensive team than any other contender. They do, however, have a chance to remain the best defense among that group, so that needs to remain a focus.

With their limited assets, financial constraints and the amount of cap space most teams have, it's going to be more difficult to fill 3-4 significant holes than you seem to think.

They'll need more than that. The Spurs probably won't be good enough to carry ring-chasers next season, so there's no reason to not have a bunch of prospects to sort out like they had in 2012 and 2013. Guys whom they have been developing for a year in Austin seem like decent candidates to compliment the picks they sign.

Right, but you don't just hand away roster spots to random players just for the sake of being younger. Those spots have to go to actual NBA players/prospects.

I wouldn't even say the ideals have remained the same. Duncan was a constant, but what he did on the court changed quite a bit. The sets changed and the emphases changed. With him gone, things would change a lot. With Manu gone, the Spurs might finally try to get a PG to play in the second unit rather than short guards who could play off the ball. That would be a huge change for the team to handle. I doubt they'd look for another passing two-guard just to avoid that.

The ideals have remained the same. They like to start big and place a premium on defensive rebounding, transition defense, ball movement and keeping the turnovers down.

Even though they're different players and Aldridge is obviously inferior to prime Duncan, in many ways, Aldridge is their Duncan now and as I alluded to, he needs similar bigs to compliment him.

The makeup of the bench could change, for the simple fact that they don't have a shooting guard version of Aldridge who's similar enough to Ginobili to build the same sort of bench around. They could opt for Vasquez to maintain that though.

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[gambit1990]

wanna see bertans in a spurs uniform next season.

anyone know how plausible that is given whatever his current contract situation overseas is?

[SAGirl]

wanna see bertans in a spurs uniform next season.

anyone know how plausible that is given whatever his current contract situation overseas is?

He is likely coming over, since his agent has been making noise about it since January, before he even returned to play at Laboral.

[tholdren]

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[cjw]

I know some around here don't think stats matter - and yes there are limitations to each one - but there are still interesting things to be drawn from each.

I looked at TS% (takes into account threes and FTs) vs. USG to try to look at impact to scoring vs. how many possessions are used up by that player. This doesn't incorporate helping others score (assists) or turnovers, rebounding, and bench players typically face lesser defenders than starters.



Y-axis is TS% and X-axis is usage. Some observations:

- Kawhi is uber efficient and top 40 in the league in possessions. Only guys above him in both usage and TS% are Curry and Durant, and only two that come close above him in USG are Harden and Lebron. But I guess he's a one way player according to half this board.

- LMA wasn't as efficient as Kawhi for the entire season, but looking at his splits from December onwards, he shot a lot better as he was integrated into the offense while his usage continued to climb. Good sign going forward assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff age-wise.

- Manu was solid this year and remains a positive offensively. Turnovers, yes, but still facilitating and was the engine that kept the bench afloat this year.

- Parker meandered around his career average TS%, likely on the back of his much improved outside shot. Was surprised to see him up at that level - shooting is fine, but explosiveness being spotty hurt the overall offense. For him to not be a huge hindrance going forward, he'll need to keep that 3pt% above 40% and increase the amount of looks he gets there when playing off the ball.

- Green had an off year, WELL off his career average of 57.1% TS but turned it on in the playoffs. Had good January/February, but otherwise was the definition of icy-hot. Hope for a bounce back year next year but expect the shooting to disappear at times. That's why it's key for the Spurs to find some more outside shooting in case he gets into a funk. His defense is still essential.

- Duncan remained one of the top defenders in the league this year, but really struggled offensively. Could be spacing issues / learning to play with LMA, but mostly drop-off in athleticism. Going forward if he comes back, he's probably best suited going up against bench bigs while anchoring the defense.

- Mills actually shot around his career average, but deficiencies defensively and his disappearing act in the playoffs (not captured above) are disconcerting, especially as he gets older and will become more of a defensive liability.

- Simmons was a very pleasant surprise. He's older, so not sure how much room there is for improvement or if there would be a drop with higher usage, but he's definitely a keeper. He actually has nearly identical TS%/USG to Draymond.

- West and Diaw had very similar offensive output. Both shot well in the regular season. Too bad that part of their game fell off a cliff when it mattered most, and they continued not to be able to defend or rebound.

- Anderson has a long way to go before becoming the next Boris.

- Boban off the charts. If only he could defend the pick and roll...

- Lumping in the others together. Martin's stats include MIN, but he doesn't bring much to the table anymore. Miller played within himself. Bonner shot well in a very small sample size but we know his limitations.

- Spurs are much less lopsided than most other teams. If you ran the same chart for OKC, you'd see Westbrook and Durant both above 30% USG with only Kanter well above 20% and Payne at 20%. Others are in the 17.5% and below range. By comparison, LMA and Kawhi don't cross 26% and there are 10 players above 17.5%.



Side note: that mark on the bottom right? Tony Wroten had higher usage than Curry and Harden (and almost as high as Cousins) yet some terrible shooting efficiency. Right to the northwest of him is ... chucker Kobe.

[YGWHI]

I know some around here don't think stats matter - and yes there are limitations to each one - but there are still interesting things to be drawn from each.

I looked at TS% (takes into account threes and FTs) vs. USG to try to look at impact to scoring vs. how many possessions are used up by that player. This doesn't incorporate helping others score (assists) or turnovers, rebounding, and bench players typically face lesser defenders than starters.



Y-axis is TS% and X-axis is usage. Some observations:

- Kawhi is uber efficient and top 40 in the league in possessions. Only guys above him in both usage and TS% are Curry and Durant, and only two that come close above him in USG are Harden and Lebron. But I guess he's a one way player according to half this board.

- LMA wasn't as efficient as Kawhi for the entire season, but looking at his splits from December onwards, he shot a lot better as he was integrated into the offense while his usage continued to climb. Good sign going forward assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff age-wise.

- Manu was solid this year and remains a positive offensively. Turnovers, yes, but still facilitating and was the engine that kept the bench afloat this year.

- Parker meandered around his career average TS%, likely on the back of his much improved outside shot. Was surprised to see him up at that level - shooting is fine, but explosiveness being spotty hurt the overall offense. For him to not be a huge hindrance going forward, he'll need to keep that 3pt% above 40% and increase the amount of looks he gets there when playing off the ball.

- Green had an off year, WELL off his career average of 57.1% TS but turned it on in the playoffs. Had good January/February, but otherwise was the definition of icy-hot. Hope for a bounce back year next year but expect the shooting to disappear at times. That's why it's key for the Spurs to find some more outside shooting in case he gets into a funk. His defense is still essential.

- Duncan remained one of the top defenders in the league this year, but really struggled offensively. Could be spacing issues / learning to play with LMA, but mostly drop-off in athleticism. Going forward if he comes back, he's probably best suited going up against bench bigs while anchoring the defense.

- Mills actually shot around his career average, but deficiencies defensively and his disappearing act in the playoffs (not captured above) are disconcerting, especially as he gets older and will become more of a defensive liability.

- Simmons was a very pleasant surprise. He's older, so not sure how much room there is for improvement or if there would be a drop with higher usage, but he's definitely a keeper. He actually has nearly identical TS%/USG to Draymond.

- West and Diaw had very similar offensive output. Both shot well in the regular season. Too bad that part of their game fell off a cliff when it mattered most, and they continued not to be able to defend or rebound.

- Anderson has a long way to go before becoming the next Boris.

- Boban off the charts. If only he could defend the pick and roll...

- Lumping in the others together. Martin's stats include MIN, but he doesn't bring much to the table anymore. Miller played within himself. Bonner shot well in a very small sample size but we know his limitations.

- Spurs are much less lopsided than most other teams. If you ran the same chart for OKC, you'd see Westbrook and Durant both above 30% USG with only Kanter well above 20% and Payne at 20%. Others are in the 17.5% and below range. By comparison, LMA and Kawhi don't cross 26% and there are 10 players above 17.5%.



Side note: that mark on the bottom right? Tony Wroten had higher usage than Curry and Harden (and almost as high as Cousins) yet some terrible shooting efficiency. Right to the northwest of him is ... chucker Kobe.

Thanks! Very interesting.

[Mal]

Bertans should come this year. You can forget Hanga, he`s not NBA caliber player

[SAGirl]

Something that is impossible to reflect on there is that a player's stats are misleading depending on their roles in the team.
Bonner, Simmons and Boban are probably the most affected by role bc they all played a lot of garbage time, as they were not in the regular rotation. In Bonner's case, I think he played strictly garbage time.
Him having the stats he had for the season, does not mean at all that those would be maintained with more minutes, or that he's even a rotation caliber player at this point. Simmons was a garbage time star. He looked his worst for the season when he was played in the regular bench rotation without Manu (a red flag overall, bc it would be Manu's role that he would fill if Manu retires). Boban did play against a lot of weak teams + a lot of garbage time, but he looked increasingly better with more opportunities to play, and he continued to get better through the season. The red flag with him is that PnR defense. Can he be our 3rd or 4th best big? I tend to think yes, but it's by no means yet a clear answer.

Given context as well, though Anderson's stats are not as good as all 3 guys above, he looks the best of the three, bc he's the youngest guy, at 22 still capable of improving his game, and he played the most regular rotation minutes, started every time Kawhi was injured, played 78 games overall, and thus got tested against everybody. He also played three positions through the season. He still has a lot to improve on if Pop wants to play him as a 4, and it looks like Pop intends for him to do that at least situationally, but his stats are fine for his age and role.

The chart is a good snapshot to look at but it doesn't paint the whole picture obviously and it's a given that it doesn't measure any other contributions to the team by said players like assists, defense, steals, deflections, blocks, passes, and overall impact on the team.

[cjw]

Something that is impossible to reflect on there is that a player's stats are misleading depending on their roles in the team.
Bonner, Simmons and Boban are probably the most affected by role bc they all played a lot of garbage time, as they were not in the regular rotation. In Bonner's case, I think he played strictly garbage time.
Him having the stats he had for the season, does not mean at all that those would be maintained with more minutes, or that he's even a rotation caliber player at this point. Simmons was a garbage time star. He looked his worst for the season when he was played in the regular bench rotation without Manu (a red flag overall, bc it would be Manu's role that he would fill if Manu retires). Boban did play against a lot of weak teams + a lot of garbage time, but he looked increasingly better with more opportunities to play, and he continued to get better through the season. The red flag with him is that PnR defense. Can he be our 3rd or 4th best big? I tend to think yes, but it's by no means yet a clear answer.

Given context as well, though Anderson's stats are not as good as all 3 guys above, he looks the best of the three, bc he's the youngest guy, at 22 still capable of improving his game, and he played the most regular rotation minutes, started every time Kawhi was injured, played 78 games overall, and thus got tested against everybody. He also played three positions through the season. He still has a lot to improve on if Pop wants to play him as a 4, and it looks like Pop intends for him to do that at least situationally, but his stats are fine for his age and role.

The chart is a good snapshot to look at but it doesn't paint the whole picture obviously and it's a given that it doesn't measure any other contributions to the team by said players like assists, defense, steals, deflections, blocks, passes, and overall impact on the team.

Agree - as I mentioned, compe ion matters and it's only a snapshot of shooting vs usage. Anderson is the youngest and is better than Simmons in other areas, but still has a LONG way to go.

[SD126]

If the spurs played a one game series against okc, with home court, they'd be in the conf finals. Sweet.

[SD126]

I know some around here don't think stats matter - and yes there are limitations to each one - but there are still interesting things to be drawn from each.

I looked at TS% (takes into account threes and FTs) vs. USG to try to look at impact to scoring vs. how many possessions are used up by that player. This doesn't incorporate helping others score (assists) or turnovers, rebounding, and bench players typically face lesser defenders than starters.



Y-axis is TS% and X-axis is usage. Some observations:

- Kawhi is uber efficient and top 40 in the league in possessions. Only guys above him in both usage and TS% are Curry and Durant, and only two that come close above him in USG are Harden and Lebron. But I guess he's a one way player according to half this board.

- LMA wasn't as efficient as Kawhi for the entire season, but looking at his splits from December onwards, he shot a lot better as he was integrated into the offense while his usage continued to climb. Good sign going forward assuming he doesn't fall off a cliff age-wise.

- Manu was solid this year and remains a positive offensively. Turnovers, yes, but still facilitating and was the engine that kept the bench afloat this year.

- Parker meandered around his career average TS%, likely on the back of his much improved outside shot. Was surprised to see him up at that level - shooting is fine, but explosiveness being spotty hurt the overall offense. For him to not be a huge hindrance going forward, he'll need to keep that 3pt% above 40% and increase the amount of looks he gets there when playing off the ball.

- Green had an off year, WELL off his career average of 57.1% TS but turned it on in the playoffs. Had good January/February, but otherwise was the definition of icy-hot. Hope for a bounce back year next year but expect the shooting to disappear at times. That's why it's key for the Spurs to find some more outside shooting in case he gets into a funk. His defense is still essential.

- Duncan remained one of the top defenders in the league this year, but really struggled offensively. Could be spacing issues / learning to play with LMA, but mostly drop-off in athleticism. Going forward if he comes back, he's probably best suited going up against bench bigs while anchoring the defense.

- Mills actually shot around his career average, but deficiencies defensively and his disappearing act in the playoffs (not captured above) are disconcerting, especially as he gets older and will become more of a defensive liability.

- Simmons was a very pleasant surprise. He's older, so not sure how much room there is for improvement or if there would be a drop with higher usage, but he's definitely a keeper. He actually has nearly identical TS%/USG to Draymond.

- West and Diaw had very similar offensive output. Both shot well in the regular season. Too bad that part of their game fell off a cliff when it mattered most, and they continued not to be able to defend or rebound.

- Anderson has a long way to go before becoming the next Boris.

- Boban off the charts. If only he could defend the pick and roll...

- Lumping in the others together. Martin's stats include MIN, but he doesn't bring much to the table anymore. Miller played within himself. Bonner shot well in a very small sample size but we know his limitations.

- Spurs are much less lopsided than most other teams. If you ran the same chart for OKC, you'd see Westbrook and Durant both above 30% USG with only Kanter well above 20% and Payne at 20%. Others are in the 17.5% and below range. By comparison, LMA and Kawhi don't cross 26% and there are 10 players above 17.5%.



Side note: that mark on the bottom right? Tony Wroten had higher usage than Curry and Harden (and almost as high as Cousins) yet some terrible shooting efficiency. Right to the northwest of him is ... chucker Kobe.

Great stuff!!

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Darren Collison arrested for domestic violence: http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/200882/darren-collison-arrested-for-domestic-violence.html …

So, they will be looking to move him.

[tholdren]

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Darren Collison arrested for domestic violence: http://www.sportando.com/en/usa/nba/200882/darren-collison-arrested-for-domestic-violence.html …

Good. Spurs can use him smack around KL and LMA.