Preseason Game Thread: Spurs vs Hawks: 10/8/16 @ 7:30 PM CT

[gambit1990]

does presti wanna do us a favor?

will take adams for parker. open to negotiate.

[bklynspursfan]

Hopefully you are right. Again it's just one game and he's getting his game shape. But I have my concerns about it. He said he's looking to distribute more but isn't. It won't end well bc he was 16% usage in the playoffs and the other guys need to grow. Hopefully he doesn't go Kobe retirement tour. Though it doesn't matter if the team is a pretender. In that case let him shoot whatever.

But watch out for the examples being set for Dijon.

The fact that you have those concerns about Manu is a slight to his character. He's been the epitome of selflessness and a team guy. The younger guys will have their opportunity regardless of how Manu plays. It's up to them to take advantage of their opportunities

[sasaint]

does presti wanna do us a favor?

will take adams for parker. open to negotiate.

I have played with the trade machine since the end of last season, coming up with some beneficial trades that didn't seem ridiculously one-sided to me. But they all involved Tony. Whether you like him or not, the truth is he is destined to be a Spur as long as Pop is.

[Chinook]

I miss Boban. Heck I miss Baynes. Spurs needed to bring Milutinov in, not Livio. Sorry Chinook. They brought Livio bc he was in the queue sooner, but they needed a center and still do.

The bench is worse than last season. Dedmon is a concern. I still have concerns with Lee in a two big line-up. I think he's playing bc Dedmon has been a big disappointment and they need Lee to rebound for him and make plays in the paint. They also can't go with a full perimeter lineup bc Simmons is busting too (compared to Pop's expectations). The answer might be Bertans but Popsaid he doesn't look at the rookies this early bc he doesn't want to form an opinion this early (and though he didn't say it, rooks will make mistakes) so he prefers to bring them in slower.

Lee vs Bertans doesn't matter if Dedmon is a total bust.

They brought Livio in because as a first-rounder he had a right to accept his tender. Milutinov is under contract overseas and couldn't force the Spurs' hands. They could've afforded both. Anyway, depending on a rookie to be that guy is asking for trouble anyway. Not every first-year big is Splitter. What they actually need to do is see if Dedmon or Lee can actually be a center for them and make a move if neither can. There will be chances.

[spursistan]

It is early but this Dedmon dude has a Jeff Ayers 2.0 air to him--somebody who got recommended to Pop by not a very bright basketball person..

[Chinook]

The fact that you have those concerns about Manu is a slight to his character. He's been the epitome of selflessness and a team guy. The younger guys will have their opportunity regardless of how Manu plays. It's up to them to take advantage of their opportunities

I don't think it's fair to put Manu above reproach on this. Him being on the bench allowed him to run the show. Had he started, he would have had to have changed to match Tim and Tony. He deserves credit for staying with the team and having perspective on what being a sixth man can mean. But as far as touches go, he hasn't had to give up nearly as much as Tim or Tony has in recent years.

[gambit1990]

What they actually need to do is see if Dedmon or Lee can actually be a center for them and make a move if neither can.

[Chinook]

I'm assuming you'll bump this a million times, even when it's inappropriate?

Lee played center for the Mavs last season and played his best ball in years.

[SAGirl]

The fact that you have those concerns about Manu is a slight to his character. He's been the epitome of selflessness and a team guy. The younger guys will have their opportunity regardless of how Manu plays. It's up to them to take advantage of their opportunities

He said what he said. He wants to feel important and is taking 35% of shots. If that was Tony it would be a headline here. I am en led to my opinion. I already chalked it up to him getting his rhythm back and all that but it's a concern to me and I am en led to my opinion. I get it that he's a fan favorite but Tim wasn't getting his rhythm back consuming 35% of the team's possessions at 39 then talking about still wanting to be important. Just saying.

[sasaint]

Gasol is really a center though, he always was.

So is LMA - he just doesn't want to play like it. Pau just isn't the hard-nosed type center that I would like. Perhaps he and LMA will be sufficient - because Deadman is likely to make Spurs fans want Ayres back.

[gambit1990]

I'm assuming you'll bump this a million times, even when it's inappropriate?

Lee played center for the Mavs last season and played his best ball in years.

do you wanna write a short essay about how deep their playoff run was last year?

[bklynspursfan]

I don't think it's fair to put Manu above reproach on this. Him being on the bench allowed him to run the show. Had he started, he would have had to have changed to match Tim and Tony. He deserves credit for staying with the team and having perspective on what being a sixth man can mean. But as far as touches go, he hasn't had to give up nearly as much as Tim or Tony has in recent years.

While all true, when has he ever shown or displayed an at ude that's "me first"? He's been benched for poor play, he's been a great mentor and leader. So now cause we have young players he's automatically supposed to just defer to them? It's ridiculous that people are so up in arms over a pre season game stat. Never fails

[Raven]

So is LMA - he just doesn't want to play like it. Pau just isn't the hard-nosed type center that I would like. Perhaps he and LMA will be sufficient - because Deadman is likely to make Spurs fans want Ayres back.

No LMA has always been a pf.

[sasaint]

I'm assuming you'll bump this a million times, even when it's inappropriate?

Lee played center for the Mavs last season and played his best ball in years.

By what measure? Weren't the Mavs a net minus with Lee on the floor?

[Chinook]

do you wanna write a short essay about how deep their playoff run was last year?

Lamest quip you've posted. And that's saying a lot. That emoticon had more substance.

[Chinook]

By what measure? Weren't the Mavs a net minus with Lee on the floor?

Well by individual net rating, Lee was plus-23. That's absurdly good.

[gambit1990]

Lamest quip you've posted. And that's saying a lot. That emoticon had more substance.

i'm not trying to sound witty you .

chinook always trying to divert

[Chinook]

While all true, when has he ever shown or displayed an at ude that's "me first"? He's been benched for poor play, he's been a great mentor and leader. So now cause we have young players he's automatically supposed to just defer to them? It's ridiculous that people are so up in arms over a pre season game stat. Never fails

It's more that he likes to be the one facilitating. If Anderson and Simmons were like Korver and Ariza, then that would be great. But they are both guys who need the ball, so Manu "making plays for them" isn't likely to get the best out of them -- especially Anderson, as he's not a slasher and will want to post-up and face-up for most his points.

[Chinook]

i'm not trying to sound witty you .

chinook always trying to divert

Well, you are showing us there's always a way for you to get tier. I'll give you that.

[gambit1990]

It's more that he likes to be the one facilitating. If Anderson and Simmons were like Korver and Ariza, then that would be great. But they are both guys who need the ball, so Manu "making plays for them" isn't likely to get the best out of them -- especially Anderson, as he's not a slasher and will want to post-up and face-up for most his points.

maybe because he's better at that than anyone else off the bench dumbass

[bklynspursfan]

He said what he said. He wants to feel important and is taking 35% of shots. If that was Tony it would be a headline here. I am en led to my opinion. I already chalked it up to him getting his rhythm back and all that but it's a concern to me and I am en led to my opinion. I get it that he's a fan favorite but Tim wasn't getting his rhythm back consuming 35% of the team's possessions at 39 then talking about still wanting to be important. Just saying.

I'm just sayin, 1, it's preseason... these stats are as meaningless as summer league stats. 2, Manu has never been a selfish me first guy. And I know your guy is sort of in compe ion with him on that 2nd unit, but again Manu has never been a selfish guy. Him wanting to be important to the team (or as I think he meant, helpful/impactful) is a good thing. Him losing his fire cause we have some young prospects would not be good. 3, again.. its pre season.

You are en led to your opinion of course,. History however disagrees with what you're trying to push here. If you go back and look at other preseason stats and leaders from previous seasons, you'll see what even having this theory from 1 game just screams of over-reacting. Especially without seeing the game

[Chinook]

maybe because he's better at that than anyone else off the bench dumbass

You're almost there. Now you just have to read more than one sentence.

[gambit1990]

Well, you are showing us there's always a way for you to get tier. I'll give you that.

your possible solution for the spurs is the back up center for a 6th seed.

you're wrong way more often than not. really glad you're not the gm.

[bklynspursfan]

It's more that he likes to be the one facilitating. If Anderson and Simmons were like Korver and Ariza, then that would be great. But they are both guys who need the ball, so Manu "making plays for them" isn't likely to get the best out of them -- especially Anderson, as he's not a slasher and will want to post-up and face-up for most his points.

I'm sure Anderson will get his post opportunities, and Simmons with his athleticism should be more of a slasher. Manu can hit the 3, so if either of those guys handle the ball, Manu is a capable catch and shoot guy.

They'll get their chances. Manu will have the ball sometimes sure, but I know they'll have chances, especially Anderson.

Regardless. I feel like Iverson "we talkin bout practice" cause this overreacting is coming from 1 preseason game lol. It's crazy

[SAGirl]

They brought Livio in because as a first-rounder he had a right to accept his tender. Milutinov is under contract overseas and couldn't force the Spurs' hands. They could've afforded both. Anyway, depending on a rookie to be that guy is asking for trouble anyway. Not every first-year big is Splitter. What they actually need to do is see if Dedmon or Lee can actually be a center for them and make a move if neither can. There will be chances.

We never saw Milutinov so we are at a disadvantage evaluating, but it's possible he wasn't ready as well, so if they had to bring one or the other bringing the guy they had ready made commitments to bring this season made sense. It's quite the real likelihood Milutinov was too raw to help as well. They did bring him in for workouts and saw him.