Well, exactly this description by you was on display tonight except Simmons made some uncharacteristic shots that he will only make once every 20 games if that. Still they lost bc all of Tony, Mills, Manu and Danny were off I think?
+1^^I haven't looked at the numbers, but I bet the Spurs' starting backcourt averages waaaayyy less shot attempts and usage % than the others, obviouslyPretty flawed "analysis", tbh..
I don't know why people can't accept that the build of this roster was strategic, rather than a product of lack of alternatives..it has been purposefully built to be anti-Golden State and frontcourt-heavy..Pau is the 3rd member of the "big 3" on this team, he was the prized off-season acquisition..
Spurs best shot will be to exclude Mills and Tony from the lineup when it matters in the last 7 minutes of each half.
Those two are too easily exploitable on defense and are too easy to defend for good playoff teams with preparation. They are net negatives on both ends.
Id go with 3 wings, Kawhi running point on O.
I.E. Dedmon, Aldridge, Danny, Manu or Simmons and Kawhi. Give me more stops on the defensive end amd trust Kawhi and the guys to put up enough buckets.
Im about done with Mills and Parker.
That's failed logic right there. Basketball is a game of match ups and it's impossible to know who you're going to be matched up against in the postseason, in the offseason. It's also pretty safe to assume that the Warriors, even with the lack of depth, would be heavy favorites to land the #1 seed and make it back to the WCF's for the third year in a row. The Spurs would therefore have to win two playoff series before getting the opportunity to face the Warriors. The Spurs had been favorites to face the Warriors in 2015 & 16 too and in both years, the Spurs failed to make the WCF's.^^I haven't looked at the numbers, but I bet the Spurs' starting backcourt averages waaaayyy less shot attempts and usage % than the others, obviously
I don't know why people can't accept that the build of this roster was strategic, rather than a product of lack of alternatives..it has been purposefully built to be anti-Golden State and frontcourt-heavy..Pau is the 3rd member of the "big 3" on this team, he was the prized off-season acquisition..
Can the Spurs still win 60 games?
The PG rotation once again, like it has all season, was steady tonight.
What the real concern no one is talking about is the SG position. Highest paid position (24,000,000M/yr) yet it's easily the worst on the team. 2/10 tonight and both were benched in crunch time for TP/Patty.
I'm pretty sure that the thought was the road to the Finals eventually goes through Golden State, eventually. If they can't win in the first and second round, they aren't nearly good enough anyway. But I don't think there's any doubt that they were thinking that in order to ring, they have to be built to take on GSW.
Who's thought, Harlem's or the Spurs? There was nothing strategic about the way this roster was built. Pau replaced Duncan and had he not, I believe Duncan would have been back for another year. Dedmon and Lee were bargain buster free agent signees. If the Spurs had money to spend, they could have done a lot better but, they didn't have the resources available primarily due to the rise in the salary cap and contracts already on board. The problem with Dedmon and Lee is that no matter how the Spurs intend to use them, the defense (Lee) or offense (Dedmon) is going to suffer because neither of them are two way players. The Warriors may not have a ton of depth but they have balance. The starters are younger so they can log heavier minutes so it's not a huge issue in the postseason. The overall defense between the two teams is pretty negligible as well.
For the upteenth year in a row, the Spurs did nothing to address the guard situation. They don't have a single guard who can penetrate and breakdown the defense. We've seen this dog and pony show the last two years in the postseason where being unable to space the floor correctly meant force feeding the ball to Kawhi or LMA in the post with the shot clock running down and the end result was a lot of contested, off balance, mid range two's. The Spurs don't have a player that can guard the likes of Curry so no advantage their either. This Spurs team is still tremendously dependent on a "turn back the clock" Tony Parker because he's the only guard on the roster that can actually run the offense efficiently for long stretches. If that was the Spurs strategy to defeating the Warriors in the offseason, it was a poor one.
If anything, this team was strategically built for 2018 when Tony's contract comes off the books.
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By the end of last season, the general consensus on beating the Warriors was to go big... agreed? I mean, I can go pull threads and articles, but that's pretty much all anyone talked about.For the upteenth year in a row, the Spurs did nothing to address the guard situation. They don't have a single guard who can penetrate and breakdown the defense. We've seen this dog and pony show the last two years in the postseason where being unable to space the floor correctly meant force feeding the ball to Kawhi or LMA in the post with the shot clock running down and the end result was a lot of contested, off balance, mid range two's. The Spurs don't have a player that can guard the likes of Curry so no advantage their either. This Spurs team is still tremendously dependent on a "turn back the clock" Tony Parker because he's the only guard on the roster that can actually run the offense efficiently for long stretches. If that was the Spurs strategy to defeating the Warriors in the offseason, it was a poor one.
It sure looked to me like the FO's priority in the offseason was on size. You even say they didn't pay enough attention to the guard situation. And they didn't just throw darts. Pau may have been the best they could get (and he was). But they didn't settle for less at the C, so that they could spend more on a guard, did they?
Once again, you can't have it both ways. With limited cap space, they went after the thing they thought they needed most. You know damn good and well that they couldn't afford to bolster both. You may disagree with it, or with the logic, but that's clearly what they did. I don't disagree with where they are with guards, but you shot your own argument n the foot. They chose bigs. Even to the point of harboring Joel Anthony.
Spurs' guards are fine, tbh (waves hand)
That was the consensus during the season too and it was wrong. Duncan was a big and he was practically clowned by Bogut in the paint. Side show Boban was a big but wasn't caliber enough to even see the court. Oh, you must have meant QUALITY bigs. You don't make two straight NBA finals appearances by being a one trick pony. If it was that easy to add a little size to a team's roster in order to thwart the Warrior's success in a playoff series, everybody would do it. So you score a few more baskets in the paint and lose by 15 instead of 25. The Grizz (2015) and Thunder (2016) both had size yet, they still lost.
The Spurs priority in the offseason was to add depth. They need a full roster or close to it so Pop can rest it.
That was the consensus during the season too and it was wrong. Duncan was a big and he was practically clowned by Bogut in the paint. Side show Boban was a big but wasn't caliber enough to even see the court. Oh, you must have meant QUALITY bigs. You don't make two straight NBA finals appearances by being a one trick pony. If it was that easy to add a little size to a team's roster in order to thwart the Warrior's success in a playoff series, everybody would do it. So you score a few more baskets in the paint and lose by 15 instead of 25. The Grizz (2015) and Thunder (2016) both had size yet, they still lost.
The Spurs priority in the offseason was to add depth. They need a full roster or close to it so Pop can rest it.
Meh. Difference of opinion.
But... the Tim Duncan that finished the season wasn't the same one that started the season. His scoring was down from the beginning, for whatever reason, but he was still a beast on D. He got injured in December, and he never was the same. The Spurs didn't play GSW last season until January, and Duncan wasn't even in that game. They didn't play again until March, and Duncan only played 8 minutes off the bench. And by then, it was clear that Duncan's knees were both shot. So, no, Tim Duncan didn't get clowned by GSW. That guy who finished the season wasn't Tim Duncan.
I keep telling you guys that it's dead-last.
There is no way you are contending with this ty ass guard play..No in Way.
But kawhi has help..its the system
Who is even debating this? It's one of the worst in the league and certainly the worst in the Western Cinference playoffs.
I'd rather have the awful Parsons contract right now (short term) because at least you don't have to worry about putting him on the court.
Probably one of the worst.
Some players under performed for their respective points in their careers, and the other is just too old.
Manu is most likely retiring, and Mills played for his spot next year and it has been shown that he is just not enough as a starting PG, Tony has probably aged the worst way possible and Green has not improved in any area and actually under performed in some.
Simmons and Forbes are nothing.
I've never seen such an excellent frontcourt coupled with such a terrible backcourt.
I mean... . What's worse than a shooting guard who can't shoot?
Oh, that's right - two shooting guards who can't shoot.
And what's scary is that Parker probably blew his load this game. Next game he's sure to put up one of those 2-8, 4 point turds. Don't know who is gonna step up and help out Kawhi on the perimeter.
Murray.
Np way he's worse than Ginobili and Green if Green is sucking up.
Yeah. I've been wanting to see him get some run.
Sadly, might not happen at all.
Tony, at least in this series has done enough to warrant reapect.
But It's painful watching this offense.
Right now only Murray can provide what Parker and leonard can do.
We need more guys who can create openings for role players. Manu is supposed to be the third guy behind Leonard and parker but he sucks.
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