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Try not to catch any of the cancer he spews.
Nathan’s here for my amusement��
Try not to catch any of the cancer he spews.
I didn't know being embarrassed is your kink. Whatever gets you going.
You're conflating issues here. Violent crime rates are significantly higher for Black Americans than they are for any other race in our country – disproportionately so. That is a fact. The issue that I’m debunking here is the claim that Black Americans are being targeted and hunted down by law enforcement officials based on race alone. The statistics I pointed to in that other post you glossed over, however, do not affirm that narrative. Black Americans aren’t being targeted, they have simply created a disproportionate amount of confrontations between themselves and law enforcement officials. The cart doesn’t pull the horse here.
Law Enforcement officials are called in to confront crime - especially violent crime. This job function INTRINSICALLY puts them in a position to deal with criminals. Those confrontations (38 million of them last year alone) are part of the job and mostly occur uneventfully (without tragic loss of life). The narrative that black men are somehow being targeted and hunted down, however, disappears whenever one accounts for the fact that law enforcement officers confront almost 40% more Black Americans than whites in response to those calls (even though there are 25.6 million white men vs. 6.6 million black men in the 15-34 age bracket in the U.S. population pool). Law enforcement agencies respond to all calls regardless of the demographics (many times race is an unknown factor when they are called in). The fact that law enforcement officials predominantly find Black Americans on the back end of those 911 calls is not caused by the police responding to their job function – THAT assertion is asinine.
No, I wasn’t even talking about that issue. It’s a classic red herring and you just NOW threw that into the discussion. A couple of trans-discipline studies show that the racial pay gap is not as wide as it was even 10 years ago during Obama’s administration. I’ve seen many figures including a $0.98 per dollar ratio for this particular gap. The bigger problem on this particular issue is an interpretative one: that much like proponents of systemic racism you are asserting that all income inequality is due to inequity. But that premise cannot be definitively proven.
Another red-herring, but one that I covered when I said that we needed justice reforms. Justice should be color-blind, and judges that are disregarding this principle should be removed from their positions. I believe that most of us can agree to that.
This is more of a speculative argument. Cannot be readily quantified nor is it easily discernable from mere anecdotal hearsay.
Equal outcomes are not guaranteed for anyone. Yes, I wholeheartedly agree that if the same job is being done that THEN equal pay is merited regardless of race, gender, ethnicity, or age. The problem is that “earning power” is based on a myriad factors. Performance alone should be the defining metric – but we all know that other factors play a part in this very complex issue. Some factors are quantifiable metrics such as seniority (years of service), and others are more subjective such as “personality or people skills” or even something as fluid as “experience”.
Other factors are neutral, but they also play a big role in affecting pay scales (will an E.R. doctor working in lower Manhattan earn the same amount as an E.R. doctor who works in a rural town somewhere out in the Midwest?) What about disparity in compensation packets? Some employers offer better benefits than others (retirement pension plans, 401k, vacation incentives, Christmas bonuses, etc…).
Other factors still, are ambition-driven (some people don’t know how to properly sell themselves as they negotiate for better remuneration - if they even pursue such a course of action). A particular study I found suggested that as a whole, Black Americans and Hispanics were reluctant to pursue this course of action (salary renegotiation) out of fear for adverse repercussions – but most other races don’t care and see the frequency of such interaction as a normal part of the job dynamic. The end result from a reluctance to "argue on behalf of one's own career" is mostly detrimental.
More importantly, not all people have the same job opportunities presented to them because of the imbalance in the completion rates of higher education. Black Americans are completing 4-year degrees at a rate that is 10% lower than White Americans (36% to 26%) – even though going to college is still very much a choice. The reasons for that disparity are another discussion within a discussion - but again, it is would be lazy to suggest that it's all due to racism.
The point is you would be hard pressed to find a study, or any series of studies that take all of these variables into account such that a true comparison of wages across a wide spectrum of job disciplines can be evaluated. Some studies claim to account for these issues, but don’t even account for half of the issues that I’ve identified above – which makes their conclusions even more dubious considering that there are far more factors than the ones I’ve identified here.
My point is that there are no innately prejudicial laws which prevent people from earning more. Crying “it’s cause of racism” undermines legitimate reasons why pay might be lower in some situations. Why do black rappers earn more money than white ones? Ah, see? The answers aren’t always so linearly explanatory.
You’re grasping at straws now. I certainly believe that GOD’s presence in our lives is a foundational component that can provide stability in our homes. And I inherently believe that stable families usually create an encouraging environment that is conducive towards raising children into successful adults. But I didn’t say or bring up any of that rhetoric in any of my replies on this thread. Unless of course you have finally acknowledged that marriage is a GOD-ordained ins ution – a premise which you have always rejected. Because the only topic in that article that I posted that remotely overlaps with any discussion of GOD is the phrase suggesting that marriage IS in fact an ins ution. But that parallel is not discretely explained on Judeo-Christian terms. Many others in society see the family unit that way.
Reminds me of when I got accused of racism at college by some of my black friends because I mentioned that I deeply dislike rap music, only for me to turn the accusation back on them when I asked them if that was the same reason why they disliked my Mexican/Spanish music. I can’t properly describe how big their eyes got when they realized that their initial accusation was way off base. When I told them that they were conflating cultural tastes with racism. I’m proud of my Hispanic heritage – in fact, I predominantly speak Spanish in my home. I still consider myself an American Patriot because I recognize that the foundational principles that this nation was built upon (the “promissory note” that was cashed in during the Civil War, Women’s Suffrage Movement and the Civil Rights Movement) is transcendental. At its core that is what this pseudo-Marxist movement known as BLM is attempting to destroy.
I guess this conversation hits too close to home for you because every single time I have traveled to Argentina (all three trips) or Spain (four trips) I’ve encountered unabashed racism from the locals. You want racism? Look no further than your home country.
The claim that this land is too oppressive that non-white people are unable to rise to the top or that they cannot succeed cannot be true if everyone in my family succeeded EVEN though we came to the States with nothing but the clothes on our backs. Did we face some racist people along the way? Certainly, but that doesn’t mean that “the system” is intrinsically racist. You just have to persevere beyond those hurdles. Many Black Americans have cleared those hurdles as well. Their numbers simply don’t bolster the media narrative here - so oftentimes they are just simply ignored.
Last edited by Phenomanul; 06-19-2020 at 09:17 PM.
I'm not conflating or confusing anything. Black people have problems, just like white, asian, latinos, etc do, but racism is not one of them.
That's largely a white people problem, which you clearly do not absolutely want to talk about. That's clear as a day.
There's no red herrings or fallacies... plenty of studies around, like here, here, etc.
Pretending the problems don't exist won't make them go away. I'm also an exceptional case, but I'm fully aware of my surroundings and I understand that I'm an exception to the rule. My situation is merely an anecdote, and should be taken as such. I couldn't tell you anything about Argentina, I haven't lived there in 20+ years.
I frankly don't understand why you're even posting here. Pointing out that black people have problems isn't going to say or solve anything of what's largely a white people's problem.
You??? Nathan, I feel sorry for you homie. Brother you are not mentally equipped.....
You can’t stop progress as history has taught us but then again you don’t know historyBen Carson......you clown!
"you can't stop progress"
Could write a more meaningless statement?
I can always count on you doing the work for me!lol Meaningless? Comedic gold! Your alma mater smart guy?
One would hope a group of people who stole,killed,and enslaved their way to the top for centuries should reflect back on its actions with shame & eagerness to right wrongs. You don’t get to be the victim and enjoy the spoils of your horrible actions......CLOWN! Head on over to Tulsa without your mask sport! No videos to gloss over that little incident in 1921 Tulsa? Need one for those Tuskegee trials also if you could
The leftist mob takes down another statue for the betterment of America.
If you're actually wondering... (probably not, but nevertheless)
Grant was the last US president to have personally owned another human being. Though his father was an abolitionist, Grant married a woman from a slave-owning family and personally directed the labor of enslaved workers at their plantation in Missouri. In 1859, two years before the civil war, he emancipated William Jones, a slave aged around 35 whom he had personally owned.
Damn Big Nathan,I made a simple request for two videos, can you upload those. Can you also let us know who was desperate enough to give you any diploma?
I’m posting because I believe that the belief that racism is as pervasive today as it was during the slavery or Jim Crow eras is not supported by the evidence. Leftists are selling this fear as a rallying cry to destroy the foundations of this nation and people are falling for it. It’s truly sickening to see people defend the violent nature of these protests. It is DOGMATIC in nature to claim that everything is “systemic racism”. Welcome to your third religion: the new "Woke Religion". “Anthropogenic Climate Change” was your second adopted religion and Atheism was your first.
And you are certainly conflating issues here. Equal outcomes should not be the expected result of equal opportunity and not all inequalities are derived from inequity. BLM proponents simply cry "racism" and expect the accusation to end all conversation, but a true objective look at the relevant statistics does not support their core premises.
Accuse someone of being a racist and that person's livelihood will be destroyed whether or not the accusation has any merit. That's why I keep iterating that the views are dogmatic. These “protests” are tantamount to mob rule. Initiating a second wave of McCarthyism under the guise of purging racism from among us is not the best way to go about effecting change. Ironically, the amount of Marxist ideology that is embedded within that strategy is an almost deliberate part of the message that has eluded most members of this new Woke Religion. Perhaps after asking all white people in society to take a penitent knee for “the sins of their forefathers” we can ask them to wear a scarlet “W” on their chests.
And for the THIRD time, it was Barrack Hussein Obama that pointed out the fatherlessness statistics of Black America and the implications thereof. I simply pointed to his speech. What Obama failed to mention, however, was that fatherlessness in Black American homes is largely the result of failed Democratic Party policies starting with LBJ's New Society through today. Most of the cities associated with racial upheaval, have scores of impoverished Black American residents that don't realize that their Democratic Party leaders have failed them and will continue using them as political pawns until they wake up to their deceit.
The City of Chicago, Illinois has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1933.
Rahm Emanuel's failed policies as Mayor of Chicago (from 2011 thru 2019) have been especially devastating.
The City of Minneapolis, Minnesota has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1974.
Jacob Frey's failed policies as Mayor of Minneapolis (from his time in the City Council 2013 to his current post as Mayor) led to violent police officers (repeat offenders) remaining on the force. The results have been devastating.
The City of Baltimore, Maryland has been under mostly Democratic Party control since 1947 (minus one Republican stint from 1963-1967)
Sheila Ann Dixon's, Catherine Pugh's and Bernard C. Young's failed policies as recent Mayors of Baltimore has been devastating to Black neighborhoods. Several of these mayors have had problems with the law.
The City of Detroit, Michigan has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1962.
This span includes the infamous riots of 1967. Detroit is dying as a city in part to failed Democratic policies that have obliterated its growth.
And on and on it goes for almost every major urban center with significant Black American residents:
The City of St. Louis, Missouri has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1949.
The City of Los Angeles, California has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1964.
The City of Atlanta, Georgia has been under mostly uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1855 (well before the Civil War) (minus a one year stint by a Republican Mayor in 1871, and another 2-year stint in 1877).
The City of Memphis, Tennessee has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1968.
The City of Jacksonville, Florida has been mostly under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1881 (with a 1-year reprieve under Republican leadership in 1887).
The City of Richmond, Virginia has been mostly under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1840 (with a 2-year reprieve under Republican leadership in 1868 (shortly after the Civil War) and another 2-year stint in 1988).
The City of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania has been under uninterrupted Democratic Party control since 1952.
The point is all of these cities have failed to enact policies that actually help Black American communities. Anything with REAL CHANGE. The problem is that they keep getting voted into power on nothing but failed promises.
You could've just stated from the get go that you think systemic racism is a hoax, and we would just not have taken you seriously, much like we do with Nathan.
But no, you had to come over here and start pointing fingers at black people for their problems, as if that somehow justifies the fact that they get largely and consistently discriminated. Sometimes even killed for being black.
Now, you come here to rant about Democrats. See what I mean? Exactly what I pointed out a few posts ago, you want to talk about everything but racism, because that entails some intellectual honesty and introspection, of which you have none.
This isn't dogma. It's not some fairy tale like the bible where you get to pick and choose what that imaginary guy in the sky really meant. This is real life, with real implications from socioeconomic disadvantages to sometimes lost lives.
BTW, you successfully completed the conservative bingo... both Chicago and ranting about democrats in the same post! Well done!
When you're bored, put Pop's message in the OP on a loop until you understand what he's talking about. See if it can get through that thick head.
Imagine thinking you are helping black people by blaming all their problems on "systemic racism".
Here's a clip and full video of protesters in Australia. Just a bunch of people fueled by facts.
If "this isn't dogma" was true they wouldn't be chanting "hands up don't shoot". Stats don't support their outrage. They've been manipulated by the Dems and media for their political agenda. Sad times.
Here's a clip and full video of protesters in Australia. Just a bunch of people fueled by facts.
I'm a protester.
Pretty sad.
Imagine thinking systemic racism is a black people's problem. It's your problem Nathan. You don't have to accept it or agree with it.
Glad you're sad... only gonna get more uncomfortable for you.
The media manipulating the masses for their political agenda. I'm shocked. They simply would not do that.
Draw me a picture here. What was manipulated?
Also the guy with the blue thing. Is he jacking off with it as he stands in front of the car, what is he doing with it? What is the blue thing?
Still waiting...........
Try to manipulate that little piece of history I requested; just want to hear your thoughts on those events.
They couldn't even imagine how extreme the left would become and this just the beginning. With them silencing all dissent there is no limits to how extreme they can become.
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