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I think less castle, more McCain for a cj comp
Good scorer and he shot 42% beyond the arc in college, but was a mediocre defender.
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I think less castle, more McCain for a cj comp
Last edited by SpursBills; 06-02-2024 at 03:01 PM.
I like Castle at #4, but a lot a posters are griping about his 3 point shot. Granted its not all that great, but I think you draft him for the other things he brings to the table like defense. We need that more than shooting (although we need that too). Draft #8, sign or trade for a three point shooter later. This draft is just not filled with players who are great statistically in many categories. I believe that in 5 years, the best players from this draft will be really good role players taken in the mid to late lottery and beyond.
I mostly agree with this but it also feels like one of the defense first types will develop a jumper and become a star. God only knows which one it will be.
Given the Spurs atrocious track record post S bag, it's a safe bet to not be the one(s) they select.
He doesn't dribble, playmake, defend nor post up to a level that allows him not to learn how to shoot, tbh.
McCollum was much more polished, which should be expected since he was nearly 22 when he was drafted. Their games were really nothing alike, nor were they physically similar. McCollum dropped because of his age and attendance at a mid major university.
I think there are multiple paths for Castle to be an effective role player given his profile and existing dribble/ pass ability, as well as defense, though there is a real downside to a non shooting wing. I think the upside if the shot doesn't come is a less effective rebounding Josh Hart with a bit more on ball ability (fine role player, not exactly the type of guy you want at #4). If they take him there, I think it signals they believe in the shot enough, and there are some signals that it's not as broken as other non-shooters.
Good point on shooters in FA.
Basically every team is in need of shooting, and if you don't draft / develop it you get left with shooters who aren't dynamic enough to do other things well so you get misfits who can't defend / rebound/ put pressure on a defense etc, or you can get standstill shooters who are OK when they are just hanging out in the corner, though don't offer as much off ball dynamism as shooters (e.g, I'd be quite happy targeting Isaac Okoro as a 3&D wing in FA as a Champagnie upgrade, but he's a standstill 3 shooter, rather than someone dynamic as a shooter like Doug).
I think with Wemby you want some dynamic off ball shooting, and I think it's hard to acquire that in FA unless that player is a negative defender / non playmaker. I'd be fine with Reed or Rob at 4 for that reason, as I think both of them are good enough as off ball shooters (Reed ahead IMO, but Rob is good too), and have other qualities that suggest that they're more useful than Forbes / Mills and are decent upside bets.
Good post.
Bold part is the bit I think should be the priority.
Regardless of how the rest of the rotation is built, we ideally want a volume shooter with size at the other forward position.
Someone who's at least a neutral defender, can average 7 to 8 rebounds per game and can shoot lights out.
Doesn't need to do much else. Just rebound, shoot whenever he gets the ball and cut.
I've said many times that we shouldn't deal with Ainge and his ridiculous demands, but Markkanen would be so good next to Wemby.
His role is basically 7ft Klay.
There's also MPJ. He's obviously a tier below Markkanen, but he'd be fairly easy to get if Denver decides to get rid of him due to their salary issues.
Ideal scenario would be Castle developing his skillset like DJ did, Devin taking the next step as a playmaker and then two lights out volume shooters that never stop moving.
While if we get Dillingham a lot of resources go into hiding him on defense.
Not that it means anything for Castle's shooting necessarily, but isn't everyone forgetting about Dejounte's markedly improved shooting under the Spurs? That happened mostly after Nephew. Guy came in with a shot broken like his capitalizing, yet grew into being able to shoot two game-winning jump shots this season.
DWhite also became a better and more prolific shooter during his time in SA. Shot .338 from 3 on 2 attempts per game in his first season, and is now shooting .396 on almost 7 3PA. Great developement.
Ultimately, though, I prefer a PG who is already a shooting threat coming out of the draft. Only one Sochan at a time, please.
Devin Carter says you're wrong. That said, it's quite hard to get excited about getting a guy like him at 4 or 8...
He seems like one of the 6’3” guys that they’re always trying to shoehorn into the PG spot, but is really a small SG. 3.6 assists to 2.7 TOs doesn’t give me a real play making vibe. If he were 6’7”, though, he’d be getting strong top 3 buzz, age notwithstanding.
Every team has a "type", and this guy fits the Spurs' type like a glove...big playmaker with sound defense. Sure the shooting is a question, but if it wasn't then he'd go top-2 (and still might). I'm good with the Spurs taking him if they think they can turn him into DJ 2.0.
Yes, he is that 6'3" guy; that's why he's not exciting at 4 or 8. If he develops enough playmaking to be a legit PG in the NBA, he'll be a supercharged Derrick White, which would be a great pick. Problem is that he's 22 already, and I doubt he has that kind of development in him...
Didn’t we hire a replacement for Chip though?
It’s often said that if Castle could learn how to shoot, he would have star potential. But the same thing could be said about a lot of prospects. If Risacher could learn how to dribble, he would have star potential. If Dillingham could learn how to defend, he would have star potential. Etc.
yes, but what can you do? if any of the top prospects did have one flaw less, he would be the sure fire #1 pick. but we have to draft someone and place a bet on something. there is a better chance that Castle develops a better shot than Dillingham growing two inches. I think Castle's shot doesn't look totally broken, so I would place a bet on him getting better in this department.
No idea what he'll become but it's a bad argument considering DWhite was almost 23 when drafted...
As for all the staff, I don't know any business where you keep the same quality with huge tunover of personnel.
Don't know the new shooting coach, but we all know Chip was special. His work on TP and Kawhi are legendary
Does he have the character for? I haven't read much about that tbh
More than the skillset, it's what matters, if not a guy like Boris Diaw shoul've been a supestar
DWhite was drafted at #29. No one in the lottery would touch him. We’re talking about our 4 and 8 picks. Even late lottery can be a risk for such a pick. Indy picked 23 YO Chris Duarte at #13, and he had a good rookie year, making the all rookie team. He then had precipitous drops each of the next two seasons, eventually getting dumped to Sacramento.
People always make the White comparison, but the reality is that he’s a role player, and most of the older draftees become role players, and you should be aiming a bit higher with two top 10 picks. We’ll have plenty of time to draft role players over the next 15 years, or so. We need that second complementary star, and he’s not likely to either walk through the free agency door, or be an older draftee.
The issue I'm alluding to is that D White had all the bones of his current skillset when drafted. Carter has a missing tent pole - PG level passing - and at 22 he's had lots of time for it to start showing if he can do it...
Fair enough
I don't mind taking a chance with Castle but I'd play the numbers and draft at least one shooter who can play off ball (Reed or why not Knetch. Dilli "tininess" scares me)
I think this kid has the right makeup for team, he will be a better pro than college athlete.
The mental fit is excellent. The fact that he transformed his game in order to help his team, as a freshman, is astounding. He doesn't get enough credit for this. The maturity and BBIQ here is off the scale.
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