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No one other than wemby is untouchable.
Let’s make it happen
After today only Wemby is untouchable. Get it done.
it, it took me two whole games from Vassell since I said I wasn't on the Fox train... I'm on it now. Actually it's less of a Fox Train and more of a "Use Devin to Get Someone Better" Train.
Waited way too long to dump Keldon. Now I fear the same happening again.
100% - I think moving Devin is the most important thing we can do right now. I'd love to upgrade Keldon, but in his current role that's icing. Right now Devin is in the #2 role, and he sucks complete ass at it and is holding us back. And Collins isn't hurting anyone at the end of the bench, and may become useful at some point in the future in an emergency role.
He'll be useful for the Spurs only when he suits up for another team.
https://streamable.com/ff8cmcRight now Devin is in the #2 role, and he sucks complete ass at it and is holding us back.
Look at this, what's he even trying to do here? He thought he'd get the rebound by standing right behind Wemby and KAT?
Trivial thought, but Fox could really aid in Wesley's development, if there's talent yet to emerge.
He's probably the best guard partner for Wemby we can get.
Top20 guards by PPG this season.
LaMelo - re .
SGA - no chance to get him.
Luka - same.
Fox - matter of this discussion.
Lillard - 34.
Brunson - no chance to get him, 6'1 with exploitable defense.
Maxey - another undersized chucker.
Herro - his best year so far, awful defender.
Cade - no way to get him, slow and methodical guard, not what we need. Bad defender.
Kyrie - 32.
Steph -36.
Trae - do I even need to say anything?
Garland - too small, but I actually like him as a player.
Murray - overrated chucker who finally got exposed.
Haliburton - scammed his way into a supermax.
Coby - decent microwave scorer, not someone you rely on.
Schroeder - 31 and a role player.
Ivey - actually an interesting player, but not what we need.
Derrick - no chance to get him back.
Sexton - I'd like him as a 6th man.
Sorting by assists adds CP3, Westbrook and Tyus Jones on the list, I don't think any explanation is needed.
If we exclude players we have absolutely 0% chance to obtain, Fox is easily the best established guard target we can get.
Imo, it's either Fox or just reliable veterans and hoping Castle develops.
I'll bump this list.
If we're out for a legit guard to pair with Wemby, Fox is easily the best option out there. With Castle as his partner.
It's either that or we keep recycling washed veterans until Castle can take over. But if we're to compete like that, then we'd need an all-star wing as the second option. And those are even harder to find.
Aside from the rebound, wtf was he trying to do on defense? Standing in no man's land, thinking "maybe I'll double team, but instead I'll just stand here and guard no one". If not from a low pass and a tip on pass to OG, that would have been yet another wide open 3.
I think we should look at this list with SGs included. Heck, I'd even say that we should look at wings as well. The nice thing about Castle and Sochan's versatility is that they allow us to search for our 2nd star at any position (other than C, obviously)
Get Fox in the offseason. Wemby needs help and a PG who can get to the rim will be the HOTS that our offense needs.
For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.
But if you insist...
Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitc - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - no.
Poole - Even more no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
- Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.
Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.
Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.
There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.
With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:
PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins
Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.
I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.
Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.
We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.
I think Kispert would be a sneaky good piece here.For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.
But if you insist...
Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitc - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - no.
Poole - Even more no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
- Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.
Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.
Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.
There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.
With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:
PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins
Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.
I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.
Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.
We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.
What I was thinking exactly. He is not our #2 by any means.
Go get Fox and Markkanen in the offseason, Wemby might be top 5 already.
Agreed. Cam Johnson also has got be very gettable this season. Spurs have the assets to get these guys. There’s no more benefit to waiting
The goal is to get another consistent scorer on the team, not get another consistent scorer who fits Wemby’s made up timeline.For me our biggest issue is that we don't have anyone who can take the ball and get to the rim at any given moment. Whenever our set plays don't get executed properly and we revert to random stuff, we have no idea what to do.
That's why I listed point guards.
But if you insist...
Edwards - No chance.
Booker - Next to no chance. Even if available, it won't be before he's 29 and he'd cost literally everything we got.
Powell - 32 at the end of the season.
Brown - No chance.
Barrett - Not a winning player.
Mitc - No chance before he's 30.
Harden - 35.
Lavine - no.
Poole - Even more no.
Green - This list keeps getting worse.
- Chucker on a tanking team.
Sharpe - Same.
Simons - Same.
Reaves - Overhyped turnstile.
Beasley - Shooting guards are just inefficent chuckers.
Mathurin - I actually like him, but no chance.
Keyonte - One chucker to rule them all.
Suggs - We got Castle.
Monk - Just extended, I wanted him as a 6th man.
Tatum - No chance.
Wagner - No chance.
Lebron - 40.
DDR - 35.
Jalen Johnson - No chance.
Cam Jonhson - Getting both him and Fox would be amazing.
Jimmy - 35.
MPJ - As I said before, I actually really rate him.
Bridges - No chance.
Wiggins - 30, would actually be a solid piece in a 3 team trade if Warriors make a move.
OG - No chance.
Grant- Tank commander.
Brooks - him.
Avdija - awful.
Murray - No chance.
Marshall - No chance.
Kispert - Mediocre.
Hardaway - Awful.
Giannis - No chance.
AD - 32.
Williams - No chance.
Miller - No chance.
JJJ - No chance.
Sabonis - Idk why is he listed as PF.
Siakam - No chance.
Randle - Loser.
Markkanen - Fever dream.
Mobley - Bad fit with Wemby.
John Collins - Would be a useful bench piece.
Kuminga - Overrated.
Portis - Taller Keldon.
Aldama - Interesting player, no chance.
Tobias - Awful.
PJ Washington - No chance.
Jabari - No chance.
Amen - Bad fit.
Hachimura - Way overrated, would be a decent piece on a cheap contract.
There you go. Top20 scorers for each position.
Why scorers? Because we desperately need someone who can average 20ppg with ease and that's our biggest issue.
Obviously there are players on rookie deals who can get there, but most of them are unavailable.
With that being said, out of these 77 players (3 are Spurs), these would be my realistic targets:
PG: Fox
SG: -
SF: Cam Johnson, MPJ
PF: Markkanen, John Collins
Other than that, it's down to drafting help for Wemby, getting more veterans on cheap deals or finding reclamation projects like Champagnie.
But none of those will take us to the next level. Rookies will need at least a couple of seasons to get going, cheap veterans and reclamation projects are just complementary pieces, not actual help for Wemby.
I consider myself to be someone who is knowledgeable about what's going on around the league, but I'm open to anyone who thinks that these lists are bad and that some of these players we have no chance of getting are realistic targets.
Mind you, if some become available, asking prices would be ridiculous and it wouldn't be worth it.
Finding perfect targets takes so many variables to allign.
Age, contract length, fit with Wemby, character, injury history etc. Really difficult to get most of them right.
We missed out on Markkanen, we can't miss out on Fox. PATFO needs to be on it from the day he asks out. Because we won't find another 27 year old all-star point guard who also wouldn't cost that much due to his contract situation.
Butler, Harden, any guy who is over 30 should be welcome here. Those are the only types of players who would push a team past its limits. Not weak minded, overachieving players like Cam Johnson who looks good playing for nothing right now and would look bad on a team where he’d be expected to lead (with that kind of haul and salary).
The team needs alpha scorers who know how to get it done. That’s not something the Spurs will develop from guys they don’t draft.
I don't have anything against veterans, I just don't think using a FRP on 35 year old Jimmy and giving him a three year extension would be worth it.
I'd use assets to get veterans only when we start actually competing for championships.
Cam Johnson is a good complementary piece, not a second option.
Fox/Champ/Cam/Wemby with either Castle or Jeremy would be a legit starting lineup.
As we learned this year, expecting anything out of FRPs is pointless. Give me the past their prime future HOFers out of those middling FRPs instead please. No 15th pick is going to be half as good as those oldies.
I’ve been beating this drum for a year+, but every player is on Wemby’s timeline because Wemby’s timeline is going to be 15+ years and involve multiple phases. In fact, the players LEAST on Wemby’s timeline are mid to late round FRPs who are going to need multiple years to develop. It will be fine to add them, but we shouldn’t be counting on them as our primary path to the future, because then we are just wasting the first phase of the Wemby Timeline, the 2.5 more years we have him on the equivalent of an MLE deal.
I think you are absolutely correct that we shouldn’t count out the Butlers and Hardens (well, not because of age anyway… I count out Harden for other reasons). Yes, it would be nice to partner Wemby with a 23-year old ready made superstar like Ant… but that’s not going to happen. Fox and Markkanen are appealing because they are 27 and offer a 5-8 year window as opposed to a 2-3 year window like a Jimmy Butler. With that said, we should be open to these older guys. Look at what a CP3 has been able to do at about 40% of his prime.
With that said, it of course all comes down to cost. If an old guy like Dame is going to come with a Dame cost, then yeah, maybe it’s worth taking a pause. But if you could get Jimmy on a bargain (which I’m not saying we could… I have no clue what MIA would want), then I wouldn’t hate it. Vassell + the CHI pick? I’m in. Castle + Sochan + 2 FRPs? That’s a no for me, dawg.
Yeah Devin and a FRP or two and I’m game.
however, after Jimmy and CP getting into it in their last game against each other this might not be a possibility after all. They don’t even follow each other on the gram. Me wonders if there’s animosity towards each other.
, just get Fox here and be done with it.
For Jimmy Butler ? Whats the point ?
He is not picking his option. He would want more years and more money in total after any trade - something like not picking 52mil, but gets 110-120 mil / 3 yrs. And then whole cap space is gone for 38 years old SF, who cant play 60 games a season
This ing loss stings so much that it has people convinced to get Butler. Even I am starting to get moved by this thought
But officially, I am on the get Fox train. Offer would be:
Dev
ATL '25 pick
ATL '26 Swap
Filler/how many SRPs they may ing like idgaf
I’m more excited about this possibility than I was for Markkanen, tbh.
rook (Castle) will have to give up his number.
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