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    I would want to know if he also has a pulmonary embolism that can cause fatigue/shortness of breath. Upper extremity DVT generally should not affect breathing.
    Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?

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    This is definitely more depressing than 6 tbh. I woke up to this news fml

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    Just hope he will be OK...

    Sucks to not get that sure thing DPOY and probable All NBA Team but in the end it doesn't matter. Just get well!

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    That's super interesting. Sounds like it could be due to him being an athlete repe ive training/movements, trauma etc.

    The trauma thing, Blizzardwizard mentioned that GG Jackson fell on his right shoulder a few weeks ago. I wonder if that bit of trauma could have contributed to this?
    Does anyone remember if this is also around the time he started having breathing issues, started looking fatigued?
    The type of trauma that can incite a blood clot is usually much more significant than a fall. Let's say you were in a big car accident and had broken bones, internal bleeding, in the ICU, needing surgery. That's the type of trauma that will incite a blood clot. Your body has a natural ability to prevent excess clotting due to natural blood thinners. When your blood vasculature is no longer intact (ie from major trauma) you start to form a clot to stop bleeding. Most people don't develop DVT. And then there are those who develop them for various reasons known and unknown (genetic, environmental, sometimes lack natural blood thinners).

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    mikec thanks for the info tbh. I've also talked to my doctor family and friends who are also Spurs fans (some casual, some diehard), the things you guys are saying are more or less the same and that the conditioning/shortness of breath SHOULDN'T be connected to this cause if it is, then it's way ing worse.

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    considering whose part of the ownership group now wouldn't doubt they put that out the for the second reason
    They are also trying to get a new arena.

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    Does anyone think the Spurs haven't done a full body scan to look for clots?

    Anyone think they haven't done a deep blood draw and genetic sequencing at this point to determine if it's genetic?

    Think a bit here. They believe it's injury related and not career ending. I'd be shocked if they don't have that info in hand.

    All I know at this point is next time we play Memphis someone needs to put Jackson head first over the scorer's table.
    Agreed. Victor has already seen a hematologist, vascular surgeon and had a CT scan.

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    hopefully he makes a full recovery.

    at least it's not in the leg.

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    The first person I thought of when I heard blood clot was Jerome Kersey.

    Maybe I'm getting old but I'm just glad they caught it. Also, do we think this is a factor in why Vic has been sucking wind the last few weeks?

    The Spurs lost too many close games to make it up this season. Good picks in a strong draft and maybe a decent coach and the future will be bright.

    Get well soon, Victor.

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    This whole sentence is giving me Kawhi flashbacks.
    They misdiagnosed Danny green for an injury as well iirc. I don’t trust the spurs medical staff anymore, tbh. I just hope they’ve upgraded

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    I take a laundry list of blood thinners daily for my heart. Are these the same category of thinners or are there different ones for what Wemby has?
    Different. There are two steps to form a blood clot. First is your platelets become activated and stick together. Second step is called the coagulation cascade which is basically a long list of reactions involving various proteins made in your liver that ultimately lead to the final formation of a blood clot. For heart attacks, strokes, these are blood clots of the arterial system (aka oxygenated blood coming from the lungs going to the heart and rest of the body. These clots are driven by platelets. So medicines like aspirin work well to prevent platelets from sticking together. For deep vein thrombosis, which are blood clots of the venous system (aka blood that is no longer oxygenated that is going back to the lungs), the blood thinners used are called anticoagulants. They work on the second step (coagulation cascade). Like eliquis, xarelto, pradaxa. Victor will get one of these.

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    hopefully they detected it early.

    spurs are optimistic about his return next season ... but that's also something they would say even if they weren't optimistic about that.

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    They misdiagnosed Danny green for an injury as well iirc. I don’t trust the spurs medical staff anymore, tbh. I just hope they’ve upgraded
    Idk the context of the post youre replying to but are you implying by saying "as well" that they misdiagnosed Kawhi's? If anything, they diagnosed it correctly to be a career-long degenerative condition. Am I missing anything

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    hopefully they detected it early.

    spurs are optimistic about his return next season ... but that's also something they would say even if they weren't optimistic about that.
    What, no they wont? They would have kept mum about it. Ah well, tf do we know. We're just coping at this point.

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    Does discovering this earlier makes a difference ? Not like before a stroke, but as with cancer
    Malignancies may cause procoagulapathy process which would show in tests... not always though

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    Told ya to take the under

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    Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?
    Bosh had a genetic condition that predisposed his platelets to clot. Those clots that form have the opportunity to break free and travel to the thinner blood vessels associated with the heart and lungs, thus cutting off blood supply to those vital organs. That condition is unsafe to play with because he'll have to be on blood thinners for the rest of his life to prevent clot formation, which isn't conducive with the physicality required to play basketball.

    Everyone involved will be hoping that this was a one-off due to that shoulder injury or some other freak occurrence that Wemby has encountered and not a genetic predisposition. Diagnosing that will require blood tests in which they'll test the blood, specifically, the platelets and proteins like coagulation factors for anomalies indicative of a clotting disorder. Hopefully, nothing appears on diagnostics and this never happens again.

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    Idk the context of the post youre replying to but are you implying by saying "as well" that they misdiagnosed Kawhi's? If anything, they diagnosed it correctly to be a career-long degenerative condition. Am I missing anything

    Yeah, Nephew was diagnosed correctly. He just didn't like the diagnosis because it had enormous contract ramifications. He managed to find a career-long sucker in the Clippers, though. Good for him, I guess.

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    Any word on how long Wemby was playing with this blood clot?

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    If the cause was some incidental trauma in a basketball game, as you suggest, might not this be a reason for some long-term optimism?

    If it were the result of some chronic condition or the result of some repe ive basketball movements, that might be worse for the long term.

    (This opinion is given by someone with no medical expertise, but with a whole lotta concern, and, within the last hour or so, a whole lot more alcohol.)
    I’ve no medical expertise as well, but from the vids I’ve been watching from medical Twitter it seems like it’s totally possible that a collision could cause the pinching of a vein and cause a blood clot. I could be interpreting wrong though of course

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    Bosh had a genetic condition that predisposed his platelets to clot. Those clots that form have the opportunity to break free and travel to the thinner blood vessels associated with the heart and lungs, thus cutting off blood supply to those vital organs. That condition is unsafe to play with because he'll have to be on blood thinners for the rest of his life to prevent clot formation, which isn't conducive with the physicality required to play basketball.

    Everyone involved will be hoping that this was a one-off due to that shoulder injury or some other freak occurrence that Wemby has encountered and not a genetic predisposition. Diagnosing that will require blood tests in which they'll test the blood, specifically, the platelets and proteins like coagulation factors for anomalies indicative of a clotting disorder. Hopefully, nothing appears on diagnostics and this never happens again.
    Wemby's probably been screened for these conditions... or is probably on deck to get these assessments soon.

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    How long you stay on blood thinners depends on what is the initial inciting event. Let's say you were hospitalized after a big surgery like a hip replacement and you are laid out in bed for weeks. Or you were traveling by plane for more than 10 hours without moving much and at your destination were mostly sedentary. Or you are pregnant or just delivered a baby. Those are events that can precipitate a deep vein thrombosis and we call them provoked. For them, we recommend minimum 3 months of blood thinners, sometimes up to 6 months if there are ongoing cir stances (ie still bedbound). The reason why it's 3 months is the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is very low. Sometimes there is an underlying genetic predisposition. Victor may be getting tested for an underlying genetic condition. The risk would be higher if let's say he has a family history of unexplained blood clots. Sometimes a blood clot is a sign of a cancer. Other times it comes on out of the blue without and we call these unprovoked. I see these patients a lot. One day they are fine, the next day their leg is big and swollen or they can't breathe. These patients we recommend staying on blood thinners indefinitely because the risk of getting a 2nd blood clot is high.
    OK, thanks for the explanation. I really hope for someone Victor's age and physical conditioning that he only needs to stay on for 3 months.

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    Excuse my ignorance, but how does this compare to what Bosh had? Didn't his condition effectively end his career?
    nevermind, already answered above.

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    Time to go to the iglesia and light a velita everyday niglets

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