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It's like saying let's bring Tre Jones back because he's better than Vassell
OK but Mike Brown was a pretty lousy coach with LeBron too.
It's like saying let's bring Tre Jones back because he's better than Vassell
I don't want Brown, but the issue is that there are not many coaches available.
We need someone who's not going to be Pop's pawn, can't expect that from someone who hasn't been in charge before.
My biggest concern with Budenholzer is not being able to break free from Pop. I can't really blame him for Ishbia wrecking the Suns and Milwaukee has to regret that firing. But very concerned Pop will still be shadow coach just like now under Bud. Have that same concern with Brown too actually.
Ugh I hope not. The Brown to Bass to Tark to Lucas to Hill to Pop roller coaster that defined David's prime was a nightmare I don't want to see repeated with Victor.
ive been on the budenholzer wagon but he's botching this year pretty badly. yes, the suns are poorly built, but they should be better than what we're seeing. he also clearly has some Pop left in him as he's been refusing to play Ryan Dunn even though they were doing well early in the year with him playing, and their net rating with Durant/Booker/Dunn is quite good, but he's fallen out of the rotation because he's a rookie and it would be fair to ing bol bol i guess
Prob trying to get fired
If we do go with someone inexperienced, I want this guy:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuomas_Iisalo
God I would love to poach some of the Grizzlies staff.
Damn I wish Ty Lue hadn't signed that big extension last year, he'd be exactly who I was looking for. I don't know how the he can make the Clippers a compe ive team with Kawhi out all the time and centered around the corpse of Harden's career.
I always liked Mike Brown all the way back to his Spurs days. He hasn't done as well I thought he might overall as a head coach (I thought he'd be a super coach), but he's been pretty good IMO. And one reason I'd be very interested in him coaching is that I know he knows quite about about constructing a defense, and he will definitely emphasize defense. Plus, those years he spent on the Warriors as an assistant coach (I'm guessing Steve Kerr hired him due to them crossing paths when the were both in San Antonio, and maybe also for his expertise on defense?), he also would have come away with some understanding of running a a good offense too. Wasn't he also Steven Jackson's handler in the 2003 season and was the guy that kept him in line?
I also just had a look at his win/loss record when he coached the Cavs, and darn, they had better records than I remembered. I'm guessing he hasn't gotten the best reputation due to some of his teams underperforming in the playoffs, but I didn't really watch his teams closely and/or remember what kind of rosters he had to work with, but I wonder if they overachieved in the regular season.
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i'd much rather have Vogel than Mike Brown. success at multiple stops, has experience coaching superstars. has experience coaching young rising stars. good defenses at multiple stops. plenty of playoff experience. and still young for a coach
Why was he a lousy coach? Apart from Lebron, did the Cavs have better rosters than the teams they lost to (I'm not remember each team's rosters from back then)? I just had a look now at who they lost to and I think they lost to some great teams 3-4 Vs Detroit in 2005-06, 0-4 Vs Spurs in 2007 finals, 3-4 Vs Celtics in 2007-08, 2-4 Vs Orlando in 2008-09 (this is one they may have underachieved and maybe should have won this series), 2-4 Vs Celtics in 2009-10 season. It's not like they lost to scrub teams. From what I remember, I think the Cavs overachieved in the regular season and most of those teams they lost to in the playoffs had best rosters.
It seems he has a career winning percentage of .599. And I'm sure he also played a big part in those Warriors championship seasons.
I'm not advocating for Mike Brown, but I also wouldn't be upset if they hired him.
This guy put in SUCH a cool offense this year with Memphis. They run almost no on ball picks, preferring to move the ball and the players. Because they don’t ball screen much, the second defender can’t jam the primary ball handler. When the ball handler drives towards another player, everyone rotates in a pre-determined direction. It’s almost impossible to help on defense, because the floor is so spread. You don’t even need to be a good shooter to thrive in this offense, because it creates both open looks AND huge driving lanes. There’s a reason that Memphis is close to the same productivity with or without Ja on the floor. Fox would beast in this offense, as would Castle and Keldon.
I certainly hope whoever we hire next becomes the next long-term HOF coach for the Spurs... but let's just face it, odds are they won't be. The average tenure of an NBA coach is around 3 years... the experience we had up until we hired Pop (even preceding Brown) was just the pretty typical.
We're just spoiled by having such a rare tenure with Pop, both in length but also the various types of teams he had. Most coaches don't take a young core all the way to the pinnacle of their achievement, like Pop did with TD/Tony/Manu. Michael Jordan even went through 3 other NBA coaches before Phil took the reins.
I don't know who the best coach for the Spurs is, and honestly I'm thankful it's not my job to figure that out... because there is a lot riding on it. However, in my opinion, I think the Spurs would be best off finding the right person to take us from where we are now to the next step (a playoff team) than trying to find the rare uniform coach that takes us from lottery team to championship dynasty team. Once you get there, then you can identify if you need to make a change to go from Playoff Team to Championship Team.
For now... the Mike Brown/JB Bickerstaff/Frank Vogel/Coach Bud type coach might actually be a good fit and the best we can get... I don't want perfect to be the enemy of good for us in this process. And I really don't want us to stick with Popo-Mitch because we couldn't land a perfect unicorn.
Agreed. Just don't think Brown fits in the good category. Vogel would be a nice upgrade. Bud would too if Pop isn't being shadow coach. Maybe he'd give Bud his freedom since he's who Pop had been grooming for years to be his successor.
I don't have strong opinions of Mike Brown, but just generally put him in that category. I'm not in any way advocating for or against him.
Darn, this guy sounds super interesting, but would you give a guy with little NBA experience a head coaching slot right away?
Mike Brown having the game plan of switching every pick & roll against the Spurs with Wemby was one of the most idiotic game plans I‘ve ever seen and every youtuber was scratching his head on why the he would do that. Keep this dude away from the team.
are you sure it wasnt just the Awful Coaching guy?
Tiago Splitter come on down. Not doing super great in Euroleague, think he's 16-12, but whatever
I don't see it. At least not for a while because Paul has seemingly pissed off half the NBA to the point where they ing hate him. Giannis wanted to kill him early this season which was kinda LOL because I've never seen that dude so angry.
The Spurs have a load of talent and a load of picks, along with the biggest superstar of the next two decades. They should be the preferred destination for every great coach in the world who wants to build a dynasty.
They won't, because Popovich won't let any light escape from the black hole of his ego, but they should be.
I actually think he'll step away in the offseason, but doesn't want to announce it and take attention from the team or be pressured into a farewell tour or something of the sort. I bet he'll announce in the offseason and try to fade away quietly. But if not, then yeah, I think it validates what OV just said.
Hope you're right.
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