Thanks for the post. I agree with Stack...good hard foul (flagrant 1)....do it again if you have to. F the league and David Stern.
this is the one thing the NBA has been consistent about through the entire playoffs. stack is stupid to think if he made that kind of play and did not think there was a good chance he would be suspended. the nba is not putting up with this kind of play.
But they put up with nut grabbing? Consistentcy...right.
In the NBA, these two plays are not considered equivalent.
You believe that from the standpoint of the NBA and its rule book that:
A forearm to the face with no attempt on the ball at full force which sent a man of Shaq's size flying into the cameras
=
a gross and inappropriate but relatively harmless goosing of Kaman?
Harmless? Let Evans put your stuff in a "head" lock.
Last edited by dirk4mvp; 06-18-2006 at 12:30 AM.
Jesus, what tape did you see where it came off as violently as you describe it?
Forearm to the face. No attempt on the ball. Full speed. Shaq FLYING into the cameras.
I'd imagine you're quiet adept at fish tales.
Stackhouse got screwed! but, the MAVS will win game 5 and close it in DALLAS.
Who gives a what a WHINNEY SPUR FAN SAYS!! We beat you.... get over it.
The heat is overrated!!
Again with the spelling, you'd think you people would know how to spell a word you use so often.
I'm sorry... Cleveland too!!
I thought about this for quite a while before posting because I'm not all about piling on:
I'll be honest with you: at the time, I didn't expect a suspension. Perhaps part of that was motivated by Mike Breen and Hubie Brown's comments, I am not sure.
However,
(1) why take the chance? Let's say that you think it should be allowed, you also must be aware of the suspensions that the league has handed out earlier.
(2) In retrospect, the suspension looks obvious. When you consider the previous suspensions in this year's playoffs, then you must conclude that Stackhouse had to be suspended in order to maintain that consistency that is so important to Avery.
(3) What ever happened to personal responsibility? It apparently does not exist on the Mavericks basketball team. It is always somebody else's fault that one of their players gets suspended. I don't get that.
Terry throws a punch at Finley's groin and he is suspended, but it is somebody's else fault.
Mbenga goes into the stands and gets an automatic suspension (and the league has been crystal clear about this due to the Piston Pacer brawl), but it is somebody else's fault.
Stackhouse intentionally throws a forearm into Shaq's face, makes no play at the ball and follows through sending Shaq flying off the court into the cameras and gets suspended, but it is somebody else's fault.
First time is strange and a cheap shot, but one hopes that it is an anomaly.
Second time and you have to wonder what is going on.
Third time and now we have removed all doubt. This is a pattern and it appears to be a conscious and consistent effort to intentionally play dirty and take cheap shots. And then deny all personal responsibility when you are appropriately suspended for it.
I really don't see how the victimization plays has any credibility at this point. Playing the victim after you get the appropriate consequences for your own intentional actions when the rules and the consequences have been made clear through out the playoffs makes you look weak, dumb and lacking in self-restraint.
Trying to gain a mental advantage by making mental mistakes does not appear likely to work. Shaq, Zo and Wade are not going to be intimidated by this kind of talk after Stackhouse reaps the consequences of his own actions. In Miami, this move certainly does not help Dallas' cause.
Maybe in Dallas they can attempt to delude themselves and their fans into thinking that they were victims, but if they are down 3-2 as a result of this, the chances are good that this motivation won't be sufficient to win game 6 (or a game 7 if they win game 6) in Dallas and playing themselves as victims or not.
The winner of this game is the strong favorite to win the series.
And it is not the points (much less the shooting percentage) of Stackhouse that they will miss. They will miss his minutes most of all since they will not be filled by an aggressive player who is used to being a go to guy who can get scores for them. The other players they bring off the bench can wilt under the pressure. Stackhouse might miss some of his shots, but it won't be due to pressure or the lack of familiarity with the expectations placed upon him.
Usually if Stackhouse gives them a good game, Dallas wins. And he has the capability to give you 25 or 30 points on a good night if he is hitting his shots.
The other players are good players who have talent, but who are not used to the pressure and don't perform well under pressure normally.
This means that even more pressure will fall upon Dirk, Josh and Jason, all of whom are terrific players to put up big numbers and capitalize off of Miami's constant turnovers. Aldrich says he still doesn't see separation (ie Dirk being able to get free enough to get really open looks) between Dirk and his defenders.
Miami knows that they are so close to winning a championship. Wade and Shaq are likely going to be virtually unstoppable given their awareness of that fact and the fact that this game is in Miami. Also, the role players will go all out in front of their home crowd knowing how close they are.
In view of the change in cir stances, Miami must be something of a favorite to win the game despite the likely bounceback by Dirk and the Mavs after an uncharacteristically bad performance in game 3. Mavs must rebound much better and capitablize off of Miami's turnovers to win this game.
I don't like Dallas' chances in game 6 (even in Dallas) if Miami is ahead in the series 3-2 (and they probably will be) since Shaq and Wade knowing they are 1 win away from a championship can put up vintage and tremendous numbers (respectively) and take the game when they only have to do it for a single game.
Take it easy with the board-wide grammar and spelling lessons. No one calls you out on your comma splices.
Do you even know what a comma splice is?
I am sure something like this was said when Jason Terry was suspended too, hmm? I know it was, I remember hearing it. They lost the game he was out, I think but they won the series anyway.
Wow, this is interesting!!!
So, Mavs went into games 6 and 7 down 3-2 and facing 2 elimination games.
You said that they lost the game without Terry. Okay, so they lose the game without Stackhouse.
Now, they are down 3-2 and face elimination.
What is this equivalent to again?
Oops!!!
Suns < Heat also, btw.
Remember even if Dallas loses this game, we still have home court advantage in game 6 which we will win. and Dallas is automatic in game 7's you cant argue that.
Wrong. Logical fallacy: hasty generalization.
Being down 3 with 30 seconds left in game 7 and barely escaping from one series does not give the logical or factual support you need to justify that statement.
Lest you forget, you lost game 7 to the Suns, did you not?
Dallas has never ever won the Finals and neither have any of their key players and their coach has never won a Finals as a coach, which is different than winning it as a great player (and the Spurs won the Finals despite Avery Johnson and not because of him - anybody at the y can make a wide open jumpshot like onetimer did) , just ask Larry Bird.
We are then on safer ground concluding that Dallas won't win the Finals than concluding Dallas is automatically going to win game 7 of the Finals using your line of reasoning. For it is based on a larger data sample.
Facing elimination in games 6 and 7, the problem is the compounded probability.
Suppose that we say that they will have a 70 percent chance of winning game 6 and a 70 percent chance of winning game 7. Then they have a 49 % chance of winning both games.
Compound probability or in this case it became compound improbability.
Nice comeback.
What is this obsession with hating on the Mavericks? It's become an epidemic. I really don't understand it.
You really don't understand it???? LOL It's because of the arrogance of your team and fans! If you had just waited until something was accomplished before talking it would have been sweet for you. Instead you all look like assholes!
Oh yeah......and jerry stackhouse!!!!
He didn't tackle him in the middle of floor while he was going up for a shot.
Pot. Kettle.
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