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    alot of times Parker is passing to someone at the top for the high low, therefore he is not getting the credit.

    Also, most of the Spurs starters can't hit a shot to save their lives. So he takes it upon himself to score.

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    alot of times Parker is passing to someone at the top for the high low, therefore he is not getting the credit.

    Also, most of the Spurs starters can't hit a shot to save their lives. So he takes it upon himself to score.
    Ya, ya,....I know. Its all about how the Spurs are so bad offensively that he "has" to carry them. BS. He can get his and still get people set up for some easy shots...which is NOT what he does.

    I'm not saying this is all on Tony. I'm just pointing out that the flow of the offense has been horrible. But, this does usually start with the point guard.

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    Some have stated that bringing Maggette in would screw up the Spurs plans for loads of cap room. Well, cap room don't mean if you don't have good players available.

    Case and point: The Chicago Bulls have had loads of cap room for about 3-4 seasons and why? Because they could find appropriate FAs that fit their scheme. They waited for several years before finally spending a substantial portion of their cap money this past offseason on Ben Wallace - even then they seriously overpaid for him.

    The moral of the story even if you have a load of cash, it could take a couple of offseasons to find the right mix of players. Get the guys you want when they become avaiable on the cheap. The Clipppers are so desparate to get rid of Maggette that I believe the price will go down as we move toward the trade deadline.

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    It's not cap room that's important for the Spurs, it's the luxury tax. For a team that doesn't want to pay the tax, we're not going over it. Maggette eats a chunk of what would come available from the E. Williams and Bonner expiring contracts, giving us less money for MLEs.

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    Better to pay the luxury tax during the Duncan era - if it means contending for a championsihp. Of course, I'm not talking about exhorbiant penalties as with the Knicks or Mavs.

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    Better to pay the luxury tax during the Duncan era - if it means contending for a championsihp. Of course, I'm not talking about exhorbiant penalties as with the Knicks or Mavs.
    I'll get you Holt's phone number.

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    I just read this from RealGM.com


    TRADE INQUIRIES

    Riley has hinted at change more than once this season, but the later it gets in the season, the more weight those threats seem to carry. According to league sources, the Heat has inquired about acquiring the Clippers' Corey Maggette in a trade as recently as last week, and the team also has expressed interest in acquiring Ron Artest from Sacramento, or possibly Mike Bibby if the Kings choose to trade the point guard and his large contract. Neither the Clippers nor Kings, though, have demonstrated much interest in what the Heat has to offer.



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    I just read this from RealGM.com


    TRADE INQUIRIES

    Riley has hinted at change more than once this season, but the later it gets in the season, the more weight those threats seem to carry. According to league sources, the Heat has inquired about acquiring the Clippers' Corey Maggette in a trade as recently as last week, and the team also has expressed interest in acquiring Ron Artest from Sacramento, or possibly Mike Bibby if the Kings choose to trade the point guard and his large contract. Neither the Clippers nor Kings, though, have demonstrated much interest in what the Heat has to offer.



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    Heat has got nothing accept Wade.
    And I do not thing that the best pack in Haslem + JWill will be satisfying for Clipps.

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    Maggette eats a chunk of what would come available from the E. Williams and Bonner expiring contracts, giving us less money for MLEs.
    the expiring contract of Williams will not come available, because this is just the number of the increase of the salaries of the other Spurs players.
    so Spurs don't even have the whole MLE 2007, without going over the lux tax threshold.
    they can only hope for a rise of the threshold, or they buy out Horry, (who then would retire) if he agrees.
    they also could refuse to use the team option on Bruce, which is very unlikely IMO.

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    or they buy out Horry, (who then would retire) if he agrees.
    they also could refuse to use the team option on Bruce, which is very unlikely IMO.
    Horry next year isn't fully guaranteed. If he retires (or if Spurs decide that he isn't worth his salary), Spurs won't have to give him his whole salary. I don't know how much money is guaranteed but if I have well understand the CBA, it should be less than 50%.
    For Bowen : if Spurs don't pick up his option they have to give him $2M.

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    Heat has got nothing accept Wade.
    And I do not thing that the best pack in Haslem + JWill will be satisfying for Clipps.
    Heat has way enough things to get Maggette outside Wade (Dorell Wright, first round pick...). The problem should eb that they aren't ready to give that to get Maggette.

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    I'll get you Holt's phone number.
    But you get my point. Once Duncan retires, who's to say the Spurs will be fortunate enough to obtain yet another franchise-type player. Fiscal responsibility certainly has it's place and is a good thing. However a mil or two of the cap isn't a bad sacrifice in oder to ensure championship contention. Of course, that means making the right personnel moves in the process.

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    Horry next year isn't fully guaranteed. If he retires (or if Spurs decide that he isn't worth his salary), Spurs won't have to give him his whole salary. I don't know how much money is guaranteed but if I have well understand the CBA, it should be less than 50%.
    For Bowen : if Spurs don't pick up his option they have to give him $2M.
    I knew about the comensation for Bruce, if the option isn't executed, but thought the number doesn't count against the cap.

    I didn't know that Horry's contract isn't fully guarranteed. well, this is one more point why Spurs won't bring him back next season.
    Horry will be 37, making 3.6 million, if Spurs are close to the threshold (and we know they will), the costs for the Spurs could be even higher.
    I can see the Spurs pay the veterans minimum for a player like him (like he is now or will be one year from now), but not that much money. (this would be approximatly the money Scola would cost as his repleacement).

    question: is it right, that the guarranteed part of Horry's next years salary counts against the cap in case he is waived?

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    I knew about the comensation for Bruce, if the option isn't executed, but thought the number doesn't count against the cap.

    I didn't know that Horry's contract isn't fully guarranteed. well, this is one more point why Spurs won't bring him back next season.
    Horry will be 37, making 3.6 million, if Spurs are close to the threshold (and we know they will), the costs for the Spurs could be even higher.
    I can see the Spurs pay the veterans minimum for a player like him (like he is now or will be one year from now), but not that much money. (this would be approximatly the money Scola would cost as his repleacement).

    question: is it right, that the guarranteed part of Horry's next years salary counts against the cap in case he is waived?
    Both Bruce's and Horry's guaranteed money will count against the cap and the luxury tax. Most generally, you can't give money to a player that doesn't count against the cap and it's logical : what's the point of a salary cap if some salaries doesn't count against it ?
    Only salaries that doesn't count agaisnt the cap are salaries of players retired for medical reasons but it's for not penalizing too much team that have had bad luck.

    It's likely that Bowen will still play with Spurs next year, he is still good, he still want to play (he is thinking at a new contract at the end of this one) and he is worth $2M (his salary minus the guaranteed part).

    I think that Horry will retire at the end of the year. It's time for him after a great carreer to hang up and I don't think he will be good for him to continue if he is only the shadow of the former Horry. I don't think too that he will be worth $2M (his salary minus the guaranteed part) next year . Horry's successor can be Scola or Bonner (Bonner has the edge to stretch the defense like Horry). But it won't be easy to find a successor for Horry if Spurs aren't ready to give players more than 1 year contracts because of the 08 plan.

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    But it won't be easy to find a successor for Horry if Spurs aren't ready to give players more than 1 year contracts because of the 08 plan.
    what is the 08 plan? Spurs have to repleace many players, but they won't be under the cap by more than MLE, because Tim, Tony and Manu will make a combined 45 million $.
    I guess the big plan will focus on 2010, so there should be a chance that Spurs hand out 3 years contracts 2007. (like a 3 years/ 10 million $ contract for Scola for example)

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    what is the 08 plan? Spurs have to repleace many players, but they won't be under the cap by more than MLE, because Tim, Tony and Manu will make a combined 45 million $.
    I guess the big plan will focus on 2010, so there should be a chance that Spurs hand out 3 years contracts 2007. (like a 3 years/ 10 million $ contract for Scola for example)
    Enough for a $7-8 mil player w/ enough money left over for fill-ins. Kinda like the Rasho deal...only it wouldn't involve Rasho this time, hopefully.

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    Heat has way enough things to get Maggette outside Wade (Dorell Wright, first round pick...). The problem should eb that they aren't ready to give that to get Maggette.
    if the heat give up dorrell wright for maggette, they're insane. i know i wouldn't pull the trigger on that. that dood is gonna be a stud and he's on the defensive end already.

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    Ya, ya,....I know. Its all about how the Spurs are so bad offensively that he "has" to carry them. BS. He can get his and still get people set up for some easy shots...which is NOT what he does.

    I'm not saying this is all on Tony. I'm just pointing out that the flow of the offense has been horrible. But, this does usually start with the point guard.
    ONCE AND FOR ING ALL.....

    Pop wants Tony to play the way he does. Do you understand?

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    if the heat give up dorrell wright for maggette, they're insane. i know i wouldn't pull the trigger on that. that dood is gonna be a stud and he's on the defensive end already.
    I personally doubt it involved Wright. Riley was likely trying what the Spurs were, looking to see just how cheap Maggette is. Miami sure could use another live body.

    I wonder just how much interest there is in Maggs right now. Teams like the Spurs apparently passing on him drives the price down even further and it looks like Artest was a pipe dream - the difference between the two is vast. The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.

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    Maybe it's just that I'm too much worried about our team (after all, we are still in the first places of the western division), but I don't see S.A. superior or, anyway, with a very big chance of winning against some of the western (Dallas, Phoenix, Houston when everybody is healty) and some of the eastern, too (Cleveland, for exemple).
    And makes me worry, more than anything else, the lack of athletism of the great part of our players. And this also looking in the potential future (Scola is a very good player and also nba player, but not a real athlete, and I'm scared his game, that looks a lot like the Duncan game, could not translate well in our team, more than in the nba).

    Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that we really need something...now!

    I think we need athletes like Maggette.
    I Think we should have made something more to take him and that we should still pursue him (in case the F.O. likes him and wants to come).

    I think the same about the other role (center) we're weak at.
    I've seen the last game of N.O. and I think that Chandler (if I remember correcly, the F.O. likes him a little bit), also if he has an horrible offensive game, could give us what we actually need the most : rebounding and shot blocking.
    In case he's available, we should go for him now.
    The fact we are in the top places in statistics about rebounding makes me laugh.
    Sometimes statistics are the biggest lies.
    I have the strong impression that, this season, we lack about intimidation, athleticism, strongness when needed.

    Hope I'm really, really wrong.

    However, I don't trust a 2008/2010 plan.
    Duncan gives us a little edge now...and this won't last forever.

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    I personally doubt it involved Wright. Riley was likely trying what the Spurs were, looking to see just how cheap Maggette is. Miami sure could use another live body.

    I wonder just how much interest there is in Maggs right now. Teams like the Spurs apparently passing on him drives the price down even further and it looks like Artest was a pipe dream - the difference between the two is vast. The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.
    this could bode well for CIA pop. i'd like to see him in a spurs uni for sure.

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    ONCE AND FOR ING ALL.....

    Pop wants Tony to play the way he does. Do you understand?
    Really? Hmmm pretty bold statement. I think your wrong.

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    this could bode well for CIA pop. i'd like to see him in a spurs uni for sure.
    If I were the Clippers, I'd just hang on to him. He's not holding them hostage and they don't have to trade him for what they don't think is worthwhile. They might have better luck this summer, although there is a semi-glut of wingmen going on the market this offseason.

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    The Clips are in a tough situation with him still calling for a trade, with his value at a low.
    Agree.

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